650/X-2 keihin 40 mm on x2

Hey guys, just got done rebuilding my buddies x2. During the process we added a skat trak 15.5, modded the stock pipe, and added a 40mm cdk2 from a stock 750, and bored the intake mani to match. Ski runs well, but I dont believe its making the power it should. Anyone running this carb have some jetting specs?
Its kinda sluggish to accelerate and does seem to get peak rpms. I just have a prop on my stock 650sx and I slowly pull away from him at wot.

Right now carb needles are set at stock for a 750.
 

Wilke

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Right now carb needles are set at stock for a 750

Pretty much answered your own question, you need to tune it for your motor, carb settings for a 750 aren't going to work well for a 650. For jetting check what is in there but the stock 750 jets should work fine (I believe they were 145/75) with proper needle adjustment.
 
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Hey guys, just got done rebuilding my buddies x2. During the process we added a skat trak 15.5, modded the stock pipe, and added a 40mm cdk2 from a stock 750, and bored the intake mani to match. Ski runs well, but I dont believe its making the power it should. Anyone running this carb have some jetting specs?
Its kinda sluggish to accelerate and does seem to get peak rpms. I just have a prop on my stock 650sx and I slowly pull away from him at wot.

Right now carb needles are set at stock for a 750.

The 750 carb is way too lean for 650 use. Install an 82 pilot and 160 main. Clip one coil off the spring if it doesnt sputter at 1/4 throttle. Smaller main jet will be ok just open the top screw more.
 
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Thanks kevbo. Just the answer I was looking for. So I'm going to have to adjust the pop off pressure after I jet it?

Probably not, lowering it will make the mixture from idle to 1/2 throttle richer if needed. Try it with stock popoff first.
 
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Thanks man. What exactly does the pop pressure do? I've been tuning bikes for years but these damn skis are a whole new animal ha
Watercraft carbs use a demand regulator instesd of a float bowl. Popoff is how we measure the pressure required to open the regulator. Lower popoff means it lets fuel flow sooner making the mixture richer at part throttle.
 
Watercraft carbs use a demand regulator instesd of a float bowl. Popoff is how we measure the pressure required to open the regulator. Lower popoff means it lets fuel flow sooner making the mixture richer at part throttle.

okay cool, so does it essentially adjust when carb switches from the pilot to the main?
 
thanks for the reply man i really appreceiate it. last thing, so if i rejet the main and piolt, and it still feels off down low, should i start swaping in different springs?
 
Hey guys so I put a 155 main in and got a good improvement. I had to order the pilot so that is going to be a little longer. The ski was running great on Saturday. I took it out Sunday with no changes to anything and it wouldn't rev out. It would get on plane and go flat. Could that be a pop off issue?
 
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Did it run great the whole time saturday, then suddenly run worse on sunday? Or did it run fine, then get worse, then you put it away, then it still didnt work on sunday?
 

Vumad

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Pop off is your needle and seat. The needle and seat is closed at idle. The spring holds it closed. As soon as you get off idle, the increased pressures compress the spring, allow the needle to open and deliver fuel to the system. Too low of a pop-off and the vibration in your motor will cause the needle and seat to leak, allowing too much fuel in and the system will run rich. The motor will load and bog, and have no performance. If the pop off is too high, the fuel will be delivered late, and the ski will lean stall. Generally speaking, you want to have the lowest pop off pressure you can have to have the best throttle response.

Someone please correct that if it is not correct.

I do not know what your pop off is or what it should be. The only way to know is use a tester. Even the same needle, seat and spring on 2 different carbs could give 2 different pop off readings. You have to use a tester on your system to find out what it is for sure. I'm not very good at tuning carbs, but it's not likely you have a pop off issue.

You always need to tune your carb for your ski. Even if you take it off one 650 and put it on another, you have to dial it in for your motor. You changed motors completely, so tuning will be necessary. I don't know which way, follow the advice the others posted. They know more.

There's 2 important things you should walk away with after reading my post.

1) tune your carbs, start rich and don't get lean, check your plugs and listen/feel your throttle. They will tell you what is wrong.
2) Don't assume the thing you know the least about is the problem. You have asked 3 times if your pop off is the problem. Start with what you know and work from there. You know main, you know pilot. Get them right first, and you'll probably find out that you don't know about those other things because they aren't very often the problem.

Lastly, as a side note, you did mod your pipe. if you messed it up, it could make for some tuning problems. From what i read about moding the stock 650 pipe, it's a pretty straight forward job. Nothing too crazy, so that is unlikely your problem.
 
I assumed pop off because it feels like its not switching from the low speed jet to the high speed jet, and i was under the impression thats what the pop off did. It could be a leaky needle and seat. Its also possible that the jb weld blew out on the head pipe, I'll have to double check.
 
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