Judging Freestyle Questions

[#1fan]

This question is for all of you who compete in Freestyle:

How many judges need to be on the panel judging you?
How many of those judges would you want to be Freestylers themselves?
What capacity in the sport would you want the judge to be in?

Freestyle is so subjective. Everyone has their own preference as to what they like. I personally love hood work. I appreciate that it is more difficult than most people realize. I prefer a perfect "Monkey Jump" to a barrell roll.

I don't know that anyone has every asked the competitors themselves who they would like to judge them and how many. So, if you compete, would you take a few minutes to give us your input.

 

[Big Kahuna]

"pfffftttttttttt" (the sound of a can of worms being opened)!!!!!!!!!1

Judging of freestyle is a joke at most events.......... problem is having judges that know what to look for...... at Nationals is the best I have seen, the Pro's judge the AM and Vice Versa.......

There needs to be some kind of judging criteria, like a points system based off types of tricks performed, how well they performed etc........
I would love to see where you have 2 minutes to perform compulsory tricks, your are given a list of tricks and you have to attemp, do "X" number of tricks, then go out again and do a "Freeride" where you do what ever you can....... kinda like Ice Skating Competitions.

 

[Frosty]

ok, this one's getting a lot of hits, but no replies... my .02 cents - from a spectaters point of view:

I don't compete however, having said that, I like to see flat water barrel rolls and backflips... just not 100 of them in the same couple of minute rutine. I like to see a good mix of old school hood tricks along with the aforementioned aerial manuvors. IMO it shows a more well rounded rider... and I would personally like to see even more innovative tricks... i mean... flat water BF's are sweet but... after a few we know you can do it... mix it up a little.

Maybe even having a slightly longer rutine, but have it more like gymnastics... a certain amount of required tricks along with your own... that will help to take some of the subjectiveness out of it. Did you perform the minimum requirement of tricks? Then score those tricks on amplitude etc.

again, i don't compete, nor can i even ride as well as many others on this site... my opinions are strickly a personal point of view...

 

[Frosty]

We must have been typing at the same time Harrison... LOL

 

[Big Kahuna]

I was so frusterated at the last even in November that I just went out and did the same thing that everybody else had been doing...... Roll after Roll after Roll after Roll after Roll.................

 

[DAG]

if i was a judge:
i also agree, seeing the same trick 3 times or more is boring... i like a well ruonded rider... yeah teh guys that can roll can more than likely do other tricks... why not have fun with in a put up a show people look forawrd to watching...

 

[norcal ex]

What i think should be judged the highest....hmmmm.... I think that all barrel rolls are not the same. a 3/4 and a plate to plate should be scored differently. Also, having a large variety of tricks is very important. i NEVER do the same trick 2 times in my routine. Transitions between tricks should also be counted as points. Something that really irks me is that ball busters are considered tricks... its someone jumping to the nose and eating ********! how is that a trick? doing a few higher caliber tricks sloppy should be scored lower then doing tricks a little less hard perfectly (to a certain extent) when i say sloppy i dont mean nosing in a back flip...i mean doing a tad over half of a backflip.


as for judges... i think they should consist of riders and spectators. the hard part is, finding riders and spectators who will judge on the riders ability and not the make of the ski they ride or other bull******** like that.


in other words........ JUDGE THE RIDERS ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY TO PERFORM AND EXECUTE MANUVORS....PERIOD!!

 

[DAG]

also i think they should judge on how loud the ski
and how nice the custom paint job is
oh yeah how how well they match (Vest/Trunks/Vinal sticker placement)

 

[SJBrit]

I definitely think that there should be efforts to discourage repetition, and efforts to encourage innovation and participation. To discourage repetition, I would say that you only get to score for a trick once and perhaps there are even negative marks for many repeats. In order to encourage innovation and participation, I would hope that tricks that aren't completed attract some score, to encourage people to stretch themselves (perhaps just by competing in the first place) rather than zero score which just encourages people to play safe/not compete. So, how about:

• Each trick has a predefined maximum score (like a difficulty level).
• Tricks that aren't completed score half (or something).
• The first time a trick is repeated, you get a score, but only the higher of the first attempt and the first repeat counts (allows you to fix a mess up)
• The second time you don't get a score (you're just wasting time)
• The third time you lose 50% of your previous score for that trick (quit already....)
• The fourth time you get disqualified
• A smooth, immediate transition from one trick to another adds an additional 20% of the combined score of the two tricks

Something like that.

 

[Goingbigger]

Give it to the guy that that has the cleanest routine. Also give points to the guy that communicates with the crowd and judges. I would take pionts away from guys that wear helmets. Looks kind of starnge for flat water freestyle.IMO

 

[RonnyMac]

I would love to see where you have 2 minutes to perform compulsory tricks,

gay gay gay! :thumbsdown:

...... kinda like Ice Skating Competitions

^ Just to reinforce the gayness!
I'm begining to think it is "Brokeback" Racing Harrison! :dunno:LOL!!!

 

[RonnyMac]

free·style (frē'stīl')
A competition, as in skiing, or surfing, in which any maneuver or movement is allowed and competitors are judged on their artistic expression, acrobatic skill, and athletic expertise.

 

[norcal ex]

Give it to the guy that that has the cleanest routine. Also give points to the guy that communicates with the crowd and judges. I would take pionts away from guys that wear helmets. Looks kind of starnge for flat water freestyle.IMO

ones own personal preference on safty should not be scored any lower then someone elses. That is about as stupid as getting more points for riding a kawi... etc....

 

[CoreyLKN]

How many judges need to be on the panel judging you?
3 judges would be good or so..

How many of those judges would you want to be Freestylers themselves?
Judges that actually understand what goes into a freestyle routine would be good. somebody that doesnt understand the complexity of some of the hood tricks, monkey jumps, etc is only gonna go for the people who do the biggest roll and flips.

Freestyle is so subjective. Everyone has their own preference as to what they like. I personally love hood work. I appreciate that it is more difficult than most people realize. I prefer a perfect "Monkey Jump" to a barrell roll.
I agree that everyone has there own preference but the judging neeeds to be done a set system so that it is all judges fairly. I think the run needs to have no reptition what so ever.

The way i think it should be even in prois like this..

Rider A goes out for his run and does say 4 BF's and 3 not super clean Br's and thats it.

Rider B goes out and does maybe 2 good clean Br's but also does a stab, monkey jump and some hood work.

It seems like the way it is now that rider A would win because he's doing flips and rolls but he is repeating the same couple of tricks where as Rider B has a good run with a variety. Even the pro's need to do hood tricks and tech tricks instead of just huge flips.

I could be wrong but thats how it seems to be judged now.

 

[norcal ex]

It seems like the way it is now that rider A would win because he's doing flips and rolls but he is repeating the same couple of tricks where as Rider B has a good run with a variety. Even the pro's need to do hood tricks and tech tricks instead of just huge flips.

I disagree... i think hood tricks are the first tricks that a rider learns. they are the beginning stages to becoming a good rider. I think pros should be doing big air stuff. Plus.... with the power that the pros are running it is very difficult to do hood tricks. Im a big air kind of guy!!!

I am not saying i dont do hood tricks, i do, but only as transitions out of a trick....