makejetskiinggreatagain
Brandon
ya i know its years and years down the road, but i want to make aftermarket changes that are needed as i go instead of dropping a huge chunk of cash once i finally have the skills.
Freestyle Is pre 08 better?
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KTM434
Jamie FN Hickey
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- Palm Coast FL
I really don't think you will flatwater backflip. sJ so you're better off with a used BOB or EME Q8 hull and modify as you go with those hulls. It's more money upfront but it'll end up being a lot less money than it would cost you to build a SJ for flatwater backflips. If you can accept the fact that you won't flatwater flip a SJ then stick to that plan...
- Location
- Farmington Hills, MI
- Location
- Farmington Hills, MI
ohh, so not true... there are SJ's on here with a bit of hull work and deffinently a "not stock engine" but it has, is, and will be done.
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KTM434
Jamie FN Hickey
- Location
- Palm Coast FL
I never said it hasn't and won't be done but for a guy coming from a 650sx he is more likely to flatwater backflip an aftermarket hull than a SJ for less money. We both know it takes an expensive engine and a modified hull. His reasoning to his wife about buying a newer ski was so he would save money by not having to fix it all the time so I doubt she would be ok with him chopping his 2013 SJ and buying a Dasa when in her eyes a 2013 shouldn't need anything.
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Super Hero, with a cape!
- Location
- St. Pete, FL
I'm not saying you wont backflip. What I am saying is that any mods you will put on your SJ for surf or flatwater will be putting you in the right direction for the power you need to do whatever you want. Say you get a stock SJ. You ride it. Put on a quick steer, prop, intake grate, cut the plate, shorten the ride plate, etc, you start there, cheap. Then, down the road, you get a B-pipe, a ADA head, reeds and a MSD ignition. You're doing good. Now you say hey, I want to go crazy with flatwater freestyle, well, you are on the right track, so you buy a BOB and move all your parts over. You don't know much about what you want, so trying to build one by yourself would lead to a lot of redundant posts here, wasted money and frustration.
Like I said, don't worry about backflipping. You need to walk before you can run. If you try to skip the walking part, you will be frustrated, broke and not a very good rider because you have spent all your time saving money wishing your dream will magically come true and not on actually developing that dream into a reality.
It's like refusing to buy a car because you want a truck, but all you can afford to buy is the car, and w/o a car to get to work, you will never be able to afford the truck. Your 1st ski is an investment into developing the skills you need for your second or 3rd ski. It doesn't matter if you wait 3 years to buy your 1st ski so it's an awesome one, if you look like a chump riding it and missed out on all the experiences on the way.
If you have the means to buy and build and aftermarket hull, then do so, but if not, buy a RTR SJ and start riding, troll the for sale section and buy everything you can to grunt out the bottom end.
Like I said, don't worry about backflipping. You need to walk before you can run. If you try to skip the walking part, you will be frustrated, broke and not a very good rider because you have spent all your time saving money wishing your dream will magically come true and not on actually developing that dream into a reality.
It's like refusing to buy a car because you want a truck, but all you can afford to buy is the car, and w/o a car to get to work, you will never be able to afford the truck. Your 1st ski is an investment into developing the skills you need for your second or 3rd ski. It doesn't matter if you wait 3 years to buy your 1st ski so it's an awesome one, if you look like a chump riding it and missed out on all the experiences on the way.
If you have the means to buy and build and aftermarket hull, then do so, but if not, buy a RTR SJ and start riding, troll the for sale section and buy everything you can to grunt out the bottom end.
makejetskiinggreatagain
Brandon
ha ha im the one that posted that vid.
makejetskiinggreatagain
Brandon
you're absolutely right about that. She wouldnt be cool with me chopping it but i did see some videos of guys flipping with a stock hull. I think over time she'll be ok with mods here and there to the engine. But in all honesty i wasnt aware of the amount of modifications needed to flip a ski until you guys gave me all this info. I dont know what to do now lol. I think maybe i'll just forget the flipping for now and worry about it later. but these videos.....they make it look so fun! lol
makejetskiinggreatagain
Brandon
Ok so i visited the BOB website. Does anyone know a ballpark price range for the RTR BOB flatwater backflip ski? would it be more cost effective to just buy one of these to start with?
KTM434
Jamie FN Hickey
- Location
- Palm Coast FL
It all depends how much money you have to spend too.
•No money but good credit: brand new SJ from a Yamaha dealer or a personal loan and a used SJ with good mods done to it
•a few grand saved up: buy a used SJ stock or modded
•a lot of money: pay cash for a brand new ski (if that's what you want) or buy a very nicely modded SJ... OR buy whatever aftermarket hull you want and be done with it
My vote is a used Roundnose Superjet. You decide how many mods you want based on your financial situation. The rest can come after some more practice
•No money but good credit: brand new SJ from a Yamaha dealer or a personal loan and a used SJ with good mods done to it
•a few grand saved up: buy a used SJ stock or modded
•a lot of money: pay cash for a brand new ski (if that's what you want) or buy a very nicely modded SJ... OR buy whatever aftermarket hull you want and be done with it
My vote is a used Roundnose Superjet. You decide how many mods you want based on your financial situation. The rest can come after some more practice
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Holy crap! In your first post you are talking about cost effectivness, now you are looking at rtr bobs? Dang man, you need to slow down. If you are coming from a 650sx even a lightly modded SN will feel like a million bucks. What I suggest, and this is just me. But I suggest buying a nicely modded SN, one with a 701, b pipe, nice carbs, head, impeller and such and just learn to ride. Then if you decide to go a/m you have a good donor ski and get back a few hundred for the hull, or if you decide to keep it cheaper it can all be put in a RN. Ive been riding for about 2 and a half years and still have a TON to learn and just got my first RN hull. Are you really ready to drop 15-20K or more on a rtr ski? Have you ever rode a ski with total loss, mag pump, or a engine bigger than a 701?
makejetskiinggreatagain
Brandon
I'm talking about cost effectiveness in the long run, not to be confused with buying the cheapest ski that will fit my current skill level. is it better to mod the hell out of a superjet to do a backflip or just buy a rtr bob? Dude i dont plan on buying a new ski every year. i want to make the investment on one that will allow me to have fun at the level im at now and be able to progress to any level. I dont want to be buying a new ski every time i want to progress. so yes like i said, in the long run, if i plan on buying one ski that will do everything, is it cheaper to npay for each individual mod on a superjet or just buy a ski already built.
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- NYC/Long Island
The chines on the superjet are definately what makes it difficult to get it to slide. The hull is great, but they are more aggressive and it grips the water much better. I have heard you can overcome those chimes with more aggressive tubbies. The tubbies allow you to pivot on the forward part of the ski.
I would say get yourself a superjet. It's not going to feel out dated for some time.. Trust me, im psychotic when it comes to "upgrading" I just changed motorcycles 5 times in the past year for no reason other than something nicer, faster, kooler.. The superjet seems to be safe from my "psychoticness" haha and im completely contempt with the limited set up I have in it. It's push button everytime and never fails me. But..
On the other hand, if you strictly want to *flatwater freestyle*, your goal is backflips and budget allows.. I would say look into aftermarket hulls and shove a simple 701 limited set up. This will get you on the water, as you learn and progress you can gradually upgrade the drivetrain. With a BOB or any other dedicated freestyle ski, don't expect to be able to chase boats and such as well as some popular superjets. I have no experience with them, but this what i've heard about them. The best way is to try a few skis yourself, I know thats very difficult, but you can start by asking around here
I would say get yourself a superjet. It's not going to feel out dated for some time.. Trust me, im psychotic when it comes to "upgrading" I just changed motorcycles 5 times in the past year for no reason other than something nicer, faster, kooler.. The superjet seems to be safe from my "psychoticness" haha and im completely contempt with the limited set up I have in it. It's push button everytime and never fails me. But..
On the other hand, if you strictly want to *flatwater freestyle*, your goal is backflips and budget allows.. I would say look into aftermarket hulls and shove a simple 701 limited set up. This will get you on the water, as you learn and progress you can gradually upgrade the drivetrain. With a BOB or any other dedicated freestyle ski, don't expect to be able to chase boats and such as well as some popular superjets. I have no experience with them, but this what i've heard about them. The best way is to try a few skis yourself, I know thats very difficult, but you can start by asking around here
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KTM434
Jamie FN Hickey
- Location
- Palm Coast FL
Buy a RTR Superfreak or Rickter and be done with it 
....Or get a nicely built SJ with a beat up hull and buy whatever AM hull you want then swap all your parts over to it. AM hulls are available used on here also so you aren't limited to buying brand new for an AM hull/ski
....Or get a nicely built SJ with a beat up hull and buy whatever AM hull you want then swap all your parts over to it. AM hulls are available used on here also so you aren't limited to buying brand new for an AM hull/ski
makejetskiinggreatagain
Brandon
Ha ha curbyourho i love the post! I usually find myself doing the same thing as you, and i dont want this situation to be the same. whatever i buy i want to keep until its falling apart.
makejetskiinggreatagain
Brandon
Buy a RTR Superfreak or Rickter and be done with it
lol I just might have to after all this discussion
- Location
- Farmington Hills, MI
check the for sale section. There are tons of used hulls for sale in winter... But like they are saying, look to spend prob between 8 - 12 K for a gen 3 BOB or a decent Rickster...
I am kind of in the same boat as you. I want to do all the cool BF's and BR's and crap, but riding my oem SN SJ hull, should make me a better rider. Then this summer when i go to wave rave or torch lake or something, maybe someone will let me ride their cut back SJ or... (i have high hopes) a BOB. I say, get the basics down first, you can always re-sell your first jetski, then get something better.
I am kind of in the same boat as you. I want to do all the cool BF's and BR's and crap, but riding my oem SN SJ hull, should make me a better rider. Then this summer when i go to wave rave or torch lake or something, maybe someone will let me ride their cut back SJ or... (i have high hopes) a BOB. I say, get the basics down first, you can always re-sell your first jetski, then get something better.
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onthepipe
- Location
- Goleta the Goodland
i didnt read the whole thread so im not sure if this was covered..
for most people the 08+ is prob a better ski...
personally for my style in the surf i dont like them because the front end has way too much hookup for riding the wave when its steep...
if u want to do freestyle but still rail turns they are awsome...i jumped on one last summer after not riding one for a couple years and couldnt believe how hard u can push those things..they are like they are attached to a train track...
for freestyle i dont think there is going to be much difference between the old or new...the new one will be easier for you to go fast and drag a shoulder...
for most people the 08+ is prob a better ski...
personally for my style in the surf i dont like them because the front end has way too much hookup for riding the wave when its steep...
if u want to do freestyle but still rail turns they are awsome...i jumped on one last summer after not riding one for a couple years and couldnt believe how hard u can push those things..they are like they are attached to a train track...
for freestyle i dont think there is going to be much difference between the old or new...the new one will be easier for you to go fast and drag a shoulder...