INSTALLING SKI ROPE CLEAT TO 98 XP

Big Kahuna

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Lets see, Under the rear of the ski, There is a jet pump........ On each side (Port and Starbord) of the jet pump will be 2 stainless rings mounted to the hull. This would be where you would want to attach your ski rope, but have a splitter so the rope is not pulling just from one side. It centers the connection point......... Now that said. The XP is a 2 man craft (This is a stretch calling it a 2 man PWC), For you to pull a skier, Intertuber, Zip Sledder, etc, you would need a spotter sitting behind you. Now the catch, In most states, to do this, you would need to have room for the person in the water to board the PWC........... Remember the part about calling an XP barely a 2 seater............... So, yeah, This is not the best option........... That said, I have pulled skiers behind my X2 and ski'ed behind a 550.......... But this was 30 years ago...........
 
Sorry, feel like I did a bad thing in asking. I know how to use the eyehooks on either side, port and starboard, and used a center tie, to make it pull from the center. Been a speed boat guy for 30 years, with 100 mph padded v hulls. I was asking about how to set the rope up to pull from higher angle. So, I could add a pylon, as I have done a lot of glass work for 30 years, replaced transom, floors, cores and blueprints race hulls. I was just trying to see if you guys had a recommendation on best way to have the rope come off the hull higher up . Also I am in tennessee. I don't need a spotter if I have a mirror. Thx a lot
 

WFO Speedracer

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Sorry, feel like I did a bad thing in asking. I know how to use the eyehooks on either side, port and starboard, and used a center tie, to make it pull from the center. Been a speed boat guy for 30 years, with 100 mph padded v hulls. I was asking about how to set the rope up to pull from higher angle. So, I could add a pylon, as I have done a lot of glass work for 30 years, replaced transom, floors, cores and blueprints race hulls. I was just trying to see if you guys had a recommendation on best way to have the rope come off the hull higher up . Also I am in tennessee. I don't need a spotter if I have a mirror. Thx a lot
Sorry I can't resist , as I said in the other thread where you asked about the ski pylon , there is nothing on that ski to attach a pylon to , actually I can't think of any other two man ski other than an HX that has less to attach to in the rear of the ski , I don't know of any better way to put it , you have the wrong ski for what you are attempting to do , simple as that.

I had a customer that used to tow his kids around on a Waveraider 701 , it has a stainless hook in the back of the ski , it pulled out the hook ,the backing plate behind the hook and a significant chuck out of the rear of the ski when it let loose.

This is what is going to happen if you keep pulling stuff with that ski , I am not saying it's a question of if , it's question of when , you have no idea what the forces are that you generating when pulling stuff behind a ski .
 
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So was the stainless hook not for pulling a skier on the 701 or was it not properly engineered or did he try to pull too much weight? I ask because on my 95 xp it also has a stainless hook that I use to pull skiers and I have seen others do that, too. Seems like it would have a warning "not for pulling skiers." Strange
 

WFO Speedracer

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It's for securing the rear of the ski to the trailer with tie downs , I am sure in the owners manual or somewhere on the ski there are warnings .
You don't have enough surface area or thickness on the backing plate or the fiberglass itself to support that kind of a load , the whole idea here would be to spread the load across a large area of the ski , as is it confines it to one small spot , eventually that spot will fail if subjected to high loads such as towing .

But hey don't take my word for it , I mean it's not like I worked at the Mastercraft and Ski Nautique dealerships and did FRP - gelcoat repair jobs on $100 ,000 ski boats for years .
 
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IceRocket1286

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While you CAN attach a tube/skier to most sit down PWC, the XPL is really not a great option for this given its seat and top deck design just wont allow for the proper modification you need. Coming from another Hydrostream enthusiast, I'd would not recommend attempting any modifications to the ski to pull anything. If you tied off to the grab handle, you'll likely break it. This ski is not the option you're looking for.
 

WFO Speedracer

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I have had a change of heart , what I really think he needs to do is make a fixed front seat , cut that seat off about halfway , you don't really need all that seat anyway , remove the seat shock and bolt the pylon to the bottom shock mount , it's the perfect spot for that , then drill holes wherever needed to mount the pylon supports , yes I think that's a great idea, you should do it , of course when you come off at speed and bounce off the pylon like a pinball in a pinball machine while being violently ejected from the ski , you may then have a change of mindset
 

Jr.

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I think most of the sarcasm your feeling is this is a Standup / Freestyle / Freeride / Race / Rec oriented Site / Forum
most here look down upon Runabout skiis in most any form. While I appreciate your learning and enthusiasm.
expect to be belittled with sarcasm here!

on another Note! I have been a Black Outboard Fan also most of my life, My streams were Ventura 1 & 2’s, also did a heavy stint with Allisons,
before going to tunnels , by way of STV.

Welcome to the X, Have you ever heard of a SuperJet?

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Big Kahuna

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Tuscaloosa, AL
Sorry, feel like I did a bad thing in asking. I know how to use the eyehooks on either side, port and starboard, and used a center tie, to make it pull from the center. Been a speed boat guy for 30 years, with 100 mph padded v hulls. I was asking about how to set the rope up to pull from higher angle. So, I could add a pylon, as I have done a lot of glass work for 30 years, replaced transom, floors, cores and blueprints race hulls. I was just trying to see if you guys had a recommendation on best way to have the rope come off the hull higher up . Also I am in tennessee. I don't need a spotter if I have a mirror. Thx a lot
The first half of my response was sarcasm.............. There is alot of that here, but everyone here are great guys and will help you out, even with some ribbing. But the send part does really fit your situation. That ski is just not one that is conducive to pulling. If you tied to the rear seat handled, every time the skier pulled back, the seat will probably compress (The shock)........ "Now that said. The XP is a 2 man craft (This is a stretch calling it a 2 man PWC), For you to pull a skier, Intertuber, Zip Sledder, etc, you would need a spotter sitting behind you. Now the catch, In most states, to do this, you would need to have room for the person in the water to board the PWC........... Remember the part about calling an XP barely a 2 seater............... So, yeah, This is not the best option..........."

Welcome to the X............ The Land of Misfits
 

Quinc

Buy a Superjet
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California
Put very large thick washers on the back side of the hook and you will be fine *until the tube goes underwater then you will be f'd. Also dont pull more than a small single tube.
 
Thanks everyone. Yes, I like superjets a lot, and the waveblaster 1. My first ski was a 440 stand up. I don't really like the 4 stroke stuff. I like the light weight 2 strokes that are zippy and smoke, and sound cool. I had an allison too. I've had 12 hydrostreams, and down to two now. Am selling a viking when I get around to it. Keeping my viper. I'd like to get another stand up at some point. I hear a lot of good things about the polaris octane, but I never see them so am guessing they are hard to get parts for
 

WFO Speedracer

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I did try to be helpful but I have my limitations , when I see someone doing something that Is obviously is not going to end up well , I have to speak up , sarcasm is one way I do that .

I have worked on Seadoos more than any other brand out there , I have been working on them full time since 1991 , the older Seadoos are kind of my specialty, I can probably tell you what ski you have just by the color up to about year 2000 after that it's anyone guess .
 
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Myself

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Twin Lakes AR
You guys are all nuts!! It's super easy to set up the spring seat XP for towing!!

First,.......and I know this sounds like a lot of work,....you need to set up a sling or hoist of some sort to get the ski up off the trailer just a little bit. Next pull the trailer out from under the XP and set it on some cribbing. Now, go buy a GTX with a pylon and load it on your empty trailer. And THAT boys and girls, is how you do it!!
 

WFO Speedracer

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I mean I was going to say if he is that desperate I have several GTX hulls here that he can have for free, just come get the damn things , hell I will even throw in a good driveshaft and the piece on the PTO it goes into !

It became pretty obvious to me some few posts back that he isn't going to take no for an answer , it doesn't matter what you say or who says it , we have a term for that in this business, I won't post it here , but I will say they ASK a WHOLE lot of questions , so if you are wondering why I am so sarcastic there you go.
 
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WFO Speedracer

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I am not unkind , I am trueful though, sometimes people do not want to hear the truth .

You came on a standup forum asking questions about a two man Seadoo, I didn't ridicule you , I didn't say hey you are on the wrong forum , what I did was gave you good solid advice , which at first you seemed to like just fine , however when I and several others did not tell you exactly what you wanted to hear In this thread and in the ski pylon thread I got this response , I am neither surprised or amazed by your response however it says way more about you than it does me .

My best advice #1 stop being an ask-hole , and ASK-HOLE is a person that comes on seeking advice but then takes none of the advice he is given , this is usually followed up by more threads asking for more advice .

#2 , maybe try facebook, but if you got butthurt asking questions here Facebook should be a good awakening for you, you will get lots of responses , most of them from people who know nothing but hey it sure will be entertaining to watch and hey someone somewhere will probably tell you exactly what you want to hear.

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