My ski is stock except for an intake grate. I have HT lifter wedges glued in and they help a bunch, I cant get myself to cut holes in my brand new ski for footholds right in the middle of the season. I did a few without the lifters also but they help.
help with subs for newbie
- Thread starter tom21
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tom21
havin fun
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- clearwater FL
when my skill and money are more improved I'll just do a motor swapand pimp my ride.I figure if I can learn some stuff with these when I get a better setup It will only get easier. too much work, not enough ride time. I think the HT wedges are for me, for now as well. not anything against tearing it up just no time.
sorry if this is off topic but it sorta still pertains as my ski effects my abality a little right? If I'm riding the biggest turd ever made then maybe no tricks at all. 92 650 superjet with grate and ride plate(ok nearly stock)
93 kawi 650sx with grate and ride plate,bars and throttle lever( also nearly stock)
sorry if this is off topic but it sorta still pertains as my ski effects my abality a little right? If I'm riding the biggest turd ever made then maybe no tricks at all. 92 650 superjet with grate and ride plate(ok nearly stock)
93 kawi 650sx with grate and ride plate,bars and throttle lever( also nearly stock)
tom21
havin fun
- Location
- clearwater FL
anyone have opinion on foot straps seems quick fix little effort?
WAB
salty nuts
- Location
- coastal GA
I had footstraps on my first ski, a stock 650sx. Helped me learn to sub nice and deep.
Use windsurfing/kitesurfing footstraps, whatever's cheapest. Do a search here & at PWCtoday and see how to attach them.
Make sure you have an electric bilge pump.
Use windsurfing/kitesurfing footstraps, whatever's cheapest. Do a search here & at PWCtoday and see how to attach them.
Make sure you have an electric bilge pump.
tom21
havin fun
- Location
- clearwater FL
thanks will check em out
SJBrit
Extraordinary Alien
- Location
- Bradenton, FL
The trick to staying on is to keep riding the ski while you're under. Sounds silly I know, but when you're learning you'll go under and think "yeah! Done it!" then you'll quit riding halfway through the move and bob back up, probably falling off the side in the process.
So, here's what you do. Once you're getting the nose under, build up enough speed that the ski will go down as far as the intake - that's pretty much when your head goes under. Once you're taking water up the nose, hit the throttle at about 3/4 open for a short blip - like a second at most. That will take you waaaaay down (make sure it's deep enough!).
OK, here's the crucial part. Right now you're pointing down and may have jinked a bit to the side when you went in. So, you lean back, and hit the throttle again for about the same type of burst. That will level the ski out and the acceleration will knock your body back into the right position for the exit. At this point, don't forget that you still have steering! If you're teetering to the side, then do what you would do if you were still breathing air: twist the bars when you blip the throttle to regain your balance.
The final part is easy: one more blip on the throttle brings you triumphantly to the surface with aplomb, rather than bobbing back up like you didn't mean to do it :arms:
Like I said: just because you're under doesn't mean that you should stop riding the ski. Getting under is only half a sub....
Good luck!
(Oh, one last thing: you don't always come up from a sub in the same direction that you went in, so make sure you have space either side of you when you're going deep. A fun variation is to do a 180 underwater on purpose, and come up traveling in the opposite direction....)
So, here's what you do. Once you're getting the nose under, build up enough speed that the ski will go down as far as the intake - that's pretty much when your head goes under. Once you're taking water up the nose, hit the throttle at about 3/4 open for a short blip - like a second at most. That will take you waaaaay down (make sure it's deep enough!).
OK, here's the crucial part. Right now you're pointing down and may have jinked a bit to the side when you went in. So, you lean back, and hit the throttle again for about the same type of burst. That will level the ski out and the acceleration will knock your body back into the right position for the exit. At this point, don't forget that you still have steering! If you're teetering to the side, then do what you would do if you were still breathing air: twist the bars when you blip the throttle to regain your balance.
The final part is easy: one more blip on the throttle brings you triumphantly to the surface with aplomb, rather than bobbing back up like you didn't mean to do it :arms:
Like I said: just because you're under doesn't mean that you should stop riding the ski. Getting under is only half a sub....
Good luck!
(Oh, one last thing: you don't always come up from a sub in the same direction that you went in, so make sure you have space either side of you when you're going deep. A fun variation is to do a 180 underwater on purpose, and come up traveling in the opposite direction....)
tom21
havin fun
- Location
- clearwater FL
awesome, can't wait to try it out. is it a big deal with no footholds or straps? I'm not gonna slide forward in the tray and then get ripped out when I acclerate am I?
tom21
havin fun
- Location
- clearwater FL
finally got out yesterday. no luck just landing flat. twice i got the nose to start into the water, but my timing was off so I was set up all goofy ski was going in but I was in motion the other way. tried on both skis still suck on either one. having trouble timing the double bounce. i can hop out better on the first bounce. can't time it to hit the second bounce right. I will keep trying it will happen. reread post and go again.
anybody here ride at or near bellair causeway or clearwater Fla?
anybody here ride at or near bellair causeway or clearwater Fla?
I dont do the double hop, just in on the first, helps keep my speed up, if I do two jumps the nose wants to come up to high. Also double check the depth you're in I did a real nice nosedive last weekend in about 6' of water, sent me over the bars real hard, no fun!
romack991
homebrewed
- Location
- Warsaw, IN
you dont need footholds or straps or any mods to sub. one thing i would recommend which i dont think has been mentioned is shoes! shoes will add so much grip in the tray. wrestling shoes work great but old tennis shoes will work too.
get up on plane, now when you bunny hop, rock your body forward while lifting with your feet then its easy to push the nose in. pushing on the bars with your body still back at the edge of the tray wont do much and you'll do the flat landing.
get up on plane, now when you bunny hop, rock your body forward while lifting with your feet then its easy to push the nose in. pushing on the bars with your body still back at the edge of the tray wont do much and you'll do the flat landing.
SXIPro
JM781 Big Bore
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- Here on the 'X' mostly
I'd order the HT lifters TODAY. I tried so many times with my ski to sub it, and never pulled off a complete sub. I put the lifters on and on my second attempt I was underwater. I didn't ride it out because I was in shock that I finally pulled it off, went too far down and then left off throttle completely and bobbed like a cork to the surface. My next attempt I was more confident and did a nice sub and rode it out:arms: With the lifters I could get the ass end of the ski much higher out of the water than I could by simply pressing the sides of my feet against the tray sides and pulling up. I wear shoes, but those damn purple stock Kawi tray sides are pretty slippery. The lifters not only give you a mechanical advantage, they give you more confidence that your feet will stay put...and confidence is key.
romack991
homebrewed
- Location
- Warsaw, IN
tom21
havin fun
- Location
- clearwater FL
cool vid thanks, you get way out and rotate on that last one like its so easy. I think I'm just gonna try to do the smallest hop and focus more on the nosing in? from all of the help here ( and thank you guys) I think maybe my body position is wrong. should I be all the way forward ( for now) to help transfer the weight or is it all in the jump/setup. feels like all the work is getting up and out and then I can't rotate forward. If I could just get one...i would have it by feel. I know i need to practice.but these tips are helping. as I said I did dip the nose in about two inches.
tom21
havin fun
- Location
- clearwater FL
also is it possible to go too slow. that may be some of it too.
Wolf Child
Just Another Octard
- Location
- All over C. FL
Nice thread guys!:biggthumpup:
I spent my weekend trying to perfect subs. I'm on a slightly modded 550 ( dont laugh, it's my first ski and was almost free ) I have no lifters ( have a set but havent put 'em in yet ), or straps or anything. I can get the nose down if I get ALOT of height. Otherwise I just go nose up all the time. But everytime I went under I lost concentration and did the bobber thing and fell of the side. But I'm getting an idea.
I spent my weekend trying to perfect subs. I'm on a slightly modded 550 ( dont laugh, it's my first ski and was almost free ) I have no lifters ( have a set but havent put 'em in yet ), or straps or anything. I can get the nose down if I get ALOT of height. Otherwise I just go nose up all the time. But everytime I went under I lost concentration and did the bobber thing and fell of the side. But I'm getting an idea.