Help!! Pump Shoe inserts??

[SXIPro]

So, I came home from riding the other day. The ski wasn't hooking up as well towards the end of the day. Roll it over...no intake grate. No big deal.

Waiting on a Worx 201. Can't stand not riding, so I go to slap the stock grate back on. The inserts in the pump shoe that the intake grate bolts to are apparently at the bottom of the lake attached to my old Worx.

Where can I get some inserts?, and do you think 5200 would suffice to hold them in? I've reinstalled hull inserts in an old Kawi sit down with 5 minute marine epoxy and that's still holding after 4 years.

I REALLY don't want to rip out the entire shoe and replace it if I don't have to.

 

[Prem1x]

Rip it out. Go with an aluminum Jet Dynamics shoe.

I wouldn't bet on 5200 to hold inserts. Epoxy at least.

 

[sjetrider]

never tried to epoxy the inserts in one, I would personally rip it out and put in a new pump shoe. But if you have a stock grate (you dont mind loosing) you might try epoxy while you wait on new parts to come in.
What about the inserts on the other side (front) of the intake grate, are they still in tact?

 

[SXIPro]

never tried to epoxy the inserts in one, I would personally rip it out and put in a new pump shoe. But if you have a stock grate (you dont mind loosing) you might try epoxy while you wait on new parts to come in.
What about the inserts on the other side (front) of the intake grate, are they still in tact?

Yes, thankfully, the ones that are in the hull itself are fine, the ones that were in the shoe are feeding the fish.

 

[Matt_E]

Hurrr.....I had that same problem.

I ground out the holes in the shoe a bit bigger and put a couple M6 nuts in it. (10mm wrench). I put gobs of 5200 slow cure on it, then bolted the shoe down (hull upside down).

Holding strong. For this application, I trust 5200 far more than epoxy.
Yeah, I'm a f'n redneck.

 

[SXIPro]

Hurrr.....I had that same problem.

I ground out the holes in the shoe a bit bigger and put a couple M6 nuts in it. (10mm wrench). I put gobs of 5200 slow cure on it, then bolted the shoe down (hull upside down).

Holding strong. For this application, I trust 5200 far more than epoxy.
Yeah, I'm a f'n redneck.

Thanks guys.

Matt, thanks for the idea. I'll definitely go with your approach if I can't find the original type inserts. As far as redneck goes...you should see how I fixed my handlepole bracket...superglue, rivets and black duct tape!! :biggthumpup:

 

[IceRocket1286]

5200 slow cure takes at least 7 days to cure fully. Quick dry cures quick, but is not as strong by a long shot.

Just do it right, buy a new pump shoe.

 

[Matt_E]

Quick dry cures quick, but is not as strong by a long shot.

That's a bit of an exaggeration.

5200 = 700 psi tensile strength
5200 fast cure = 600 psi ts
4200 = 300 psi ts

What's he got to lose trying to fix the current pump shoe? :dunno:

 

[SXIPro]

That's a bit of an exaggeration.

5200 = 700 psi tensile strength
5200 fast cure = 600 psi ts
4200 = 300 psi ts

What's he got to lose trying to fix the current pump shoe? :dunno:

Exactly. Better living through chemicals. I'll glue it, screw it, and probably be good for 5 years. Today's 'bonding agents' are light years ahead of Elmers glue.

 

[onesojourner]

I almost had the same problem this weekend. the 2 bolts fell out of the pump shoe. I didn't loose the other 2 though so I still have my grate. I am going to use locktight this time. I would think 5200 or epoxy would work fine.

 

[SXIPro]

Update. I first tried Matt E's method, but I used 5 minute epoxy that was rated at 1900 psi. Let it cure 36 hours(directions said 24). Nuts pulled out of shoe in about 12 seconds. 1900 psi my ass.

I then tried a 2 part marine epoxy that I had used on my Kawi to glue in a couple hull inserts. Let cure 48 hours(directions said 24). Nuts stayed in for a 2 WOT runs up the lake, and a little messing around on set up wakes. Then popped off.

Stepped up to 5200. I used the fast cure, because I am impatient. Due to some horrible weather and a bout of bronchitis the fast cure was allowed 72 hours to cure. Went out today did some WOT runs and beat the snot out of it behind my buddy's wakeboard boat.

The results are in. 5200 really is a miracle of modern science. :notworthy:

Matt E, thanks for the help on this one. :Banane35:

I'll still probably pick up an aluminum JD shoe and add it to the list of winter projects, but I feel confident I am good for the rest of my riding season.

 

[Matt_E]

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