Fiberglass guys !!! do something with it

[vitalikol]

I opened a can of warms or can with wasp nest inside

 

[WaveDemon]

I asked the guy who's auctioning the part who made it, here is his reply:


My company. X2's are my hobby. I saw what the Japanese were doing so I made a mold (actually 4) and starting making parts. I started with for myself but people started buying pieces from me. So there you go. thanks again..


I suggest you people who like his parts support him. if you don't like the price maybe make an offer and hope it doesn't sell.

 

[dbrutherford]

That part is most likely a spashed part from Japan anyways. Someone already posted the suspected username. Well just look him up and then look up who is selling those. Gassem probably didn't spash the part but someone else who he has been dealing with probably did. I mean after all they are selling those for normally $225 plus shipping. I say F it, if you want to spalsh a part and sell them cheaper than the going rate, I will buy one from you.

 

[WaveDemon]

I say F it, if you want to spalsh a part and sell them cheaper than the going rate, I will buy one from you.

you are a dirt bag

 

[tom21]

I won't be selling to you then DB...or any of your buddies.

At first I was very annoyed at what glass parts cost, now after making a few parts I have seen just what it takes. Sure I am not a pro and they probably do it much faster but even if I cut my time in half to make a mold its still a ton of work.

I have posted pics of making the x-2 FRONT SPONSONS( happy sfl? :wall I have pics of another project as well. I didn't document my chinpad as much but it is not like anything out there and I have the mold still which is about a half inch thick with filler. point is I can prove I made my parts.

I would not purchase that part and rip it but if you ask nicely I may sell you one similar when I make it for myself and Vumad. Along with a hood. and a few other parts. thats all in the future.

I suggest you all go buy a small amount of resin and glass and clone a coke can or tupper ware bowl and then try and make it from scratch and clone it.

Ripping is never gonna stop, guys are always gonna share parts. But I would hope it stays to a minimum like between 2-3 people and I would honestly hope noone tries to sell on the internet a part they ripped.

what goes around comes around. be prepared to pay-up. Karma is a bitch!

 

[WaveDemon]

if you think parts are too expensive try making your own FROM SCRATCH! cut up your own x2 hood make it smooth, pull a mold and make some parts, now THAT is expensive.

 

[Crab]

I thought it would be easier than it is in reality, a ton of work just getting the mold right. Even a simple little rideplate needs to sell near $100 just to make it worth the time to make and sell them. We won't even get in to warranty...........................

 

[tom21]

exactly- is the guy who sells you a part gonna stand behind it and fix it or replace it if something goes wrong or is he gonna say what do you want for cheap from guy who only knows how to copy?

excellent point crab. by the way you got an x-2 around to try out some tubbies on?

 

[Crab]

exactly- is the guy who sells you a part gonna stand behind it and fix it or replace it if something goes wrong or is he gonna say what do you want for cheap from guy who only knows how to copy?

excellent point crab. by the way you got an x-2 around to try out some tubbies on?

A few.....:Banane35:

 

[sflsurfrider]

if the guy is a legit manufacturer in the in the pwc biz in the USA, you shouldnt copy his parts.

anybody else is fair game.

 

[Crab]

if the guy is a legit manufacturer in the in the pwc biz in the USA, you shouldnt copy his parts.

anybody else is fair game.

To profit from.

 

[sflsurfrider]

To profit from.

yeah that. thanks.

 

[WFO Speedracer]

I had a while to ponder this,yes copying peoples parts for profit goes on,it has for years and will continue,I don't like it,yes there is nothing I can do about it,however it reminds me of a few other things that have gone on for years now that I don't like .Prostitution,drug trafficking,white slavery.I can do nothing about those things either but I sure don't promote them or support them,if everyone felt that way they would not exist.

 

[noah45]

splash,( i love saying that) then watch the legal backwash. If they have a lot invested in a part, they will patent/and prosecute. In the real world, if it's not patented, it's fair game.

 

[dbrutherford]

you are a dirt bag

If someone made a part of good quality and the price was fair, I would buy it. I am not out to under cut anyone or put anyone out of business. I know what it takes to make stuff. I don't have the time, finances, or ability. That is why I said I would buy a spalshed part.

My main point was the X2 trim pieces already being sold in the states are most likely splashed anyways. A member on the forums had a bunch for sale a year ago that he supposedly imported from Japan. Well he is buddies with and buying some parts from another member who is in the used jet ski parts business. Well the pics in the eBay match the exact same other pics of the used parts salesman selling the exact same trim piece. You make your own determinations if they were splashed or not. Did that stop anyone from buying any of those trim pieces? I doubt it. Did it stop me? No. What stopped me was I didn't want to pay 225 plus shipping for a trim piece. It if was cheaper, I would have bought one for sure!


There was one ebay last year from a guy in Tawian that never sold and the bid was $30 but shipping was $60. It was most likely a splashed part. I don't think he sells them in america on a regular basis. So if I was to buy it and splash a copy that makes me a bad guy? maybe yes, maybe no.

I know it takes a lot of time and effort to make some fiberglass parts. I have an X2 hood I gutted the liner out of in preparation to make my own hood. I quit because I realized how much more time was needed AND how much all the materials are going to cost. End result would be a part that I won't be satisified with. Let alone to sell to anyone else.

I am not out splashing parts and I do not plan to. I just want to buy good parts for a fair price. If anyone thinks that is wrong well I guess no one will be selling me parts then huh? You guys should see the "custom parts" list I have written down and gladly gave away CAD drawings for some parts I have been thinking about getting CNC'd. If you want anything in that nature just PM me. All I would ever want was one free one of one at cost. I paid 300 bucks for an Up trim unit from X2 Guy. He based his design off of a Japanese version. Granted he didn't buy one from Japan and directly copy it but it is no different than Weedo using the foot hold idea. Bottom line is people will buy what they can afford. They go buy the bottom line in their bank account. I am no different.

 

[tom21]

I agree with you to a point- your buddy and wedo looking at a part on line and then making one is not at all the same as laying up directly on someones part and pulling an identical part and selling or sanding the edges down and selling.

IF they bought it and made an exact measurement and you couldn't tell the difference then it would be almost the same but still not quite as they have to machine it instead of layup and pull off.

I am all for saving money-I can't blame you one bit.

simplest way to put it is the time it takes to create it is a loss that is recaptured over each part sold. it may take me a week to create a small part, I can't sell it for 200.00 but 20 is a good price. if it costs 10 in materials and labor to make I need to sell 20 to get back my time to create it.

suppose the very first guy rips it and sells it at 15 and I never sell another one?

1) I never make my money back and maybe never "create" more parts. while you may not care about me- just imagine if nobody ever wanted to improve a ski. all stock all the time!!! no exhaust, no heads, no rideplates nothing!

2) the guy who ripped your part makes a bunch but is not good enough to create so if not for the first guy we all loose so you can save a few dollars and kill progress.

again I am with you on saving money- I am probably more tightfisted than you!!!

a better solution would be to not rip a part but find a guy with some decent skills to make you something similar to what you want- its a mimic not a driect rip. of course you have to pay him to do it but its still cheaper and it doesn't screw someone out of their hard work.

just my.02

 

[WaveDemon]

splash,( i love saying that) then watch the legal backwash. If they have a lot invested in a part, they will patent/and prosecute. In the real world, if it's not patented, it's fair game.

do you know how much it costs to patent something? or what the requirements are? or how hard it is to enforce. the only thing you get when you patent something is the guarantee that someone will copy it.

do you ever wonder why tubbies have always said patent pending?

 

[WaveDemon]

there are ways to tell if parts are original, I'll be sure to check for parts that tom and I make at events.

there is also a way to copy protect certain parts, basically make it harder to copy than a novice fiberglass guy would be able or willing to do. it looks like I'll be putting extra time to employ that method too.

 

[noah45]

do you know how much it costs to patent something? or what the requirements are? or how hard it is to enforce. the only thing you get when you patent something is the guarantee that someone will copy it.

do you ever wonder why tubbies have always said patent pending?

yeah, I've got 2. The cost for the first year is all of $100.

opworm:I don't wonder why tubbies say patent pending, it's because every year they just file for another provisional. Trust me, it makes companies think twice, Their rep. is on the line.

 

[WaveDemon]

yeah, I've got 2. The cost for the first year is all of $100.

not correct, that doesn't even cover the application fee for a small part by a small company. that is the initial review fee though. it's also not easy to meet the criteria to be granted a patent for a jetski part (so I was told by Chris Maros, he was denied).

typical price break down:

Type of Invention





Relatively Simple



electric switch; coat hanger; paper clip; diapers; earmuffs; ice cube tray



$4,000 to $6,500

Minimal Complexity



board game; umbrella; retractable dog leash; belt clip for cell phone; toothbrush; flashlight



$6,500 to $9,000

Moderately Complex



power hand tool; lawn mower; camera; cell phone; simple business method; microwave oven



$9,000 to $12,000

Intermediate Complexity



ride on lawn mower; video game; simple RFID devices; solar concentrator;



$12,000 to $16,000

Relatively Complex



shock absorbing prosthetic device; internet implemented business method with computer system



$16,000 to $25,000

Highly Complex



MRI scanner; PCR; telecommunication networking systems



$25,000 +