engine cutting out on WOT runs

Location
NY
Newly built engine that just finished 4 - 5 tanks of gas through it. Finally started running some WOT runs and after 8-10 seconds it will cut out. It will start back up but stall if not given some gas to keep it revving a little higher.

Any suggestions? I cant get in touch with my engine builder. This sucks.
 

#ZERO

Beach Bum
Location
Florida - U.S.A.
We need more details about your engine, modifications, porting, carbs, jetting etc give us as much detail as possible.

X2 Check your compression and tell us what the readings are?
 
Carb?? Id check the carbs if comp is good. Mine was doing this,carb filters where dirty(internal ones) also check for water in your fuel.
 

WaveDemon

Not Dead - Notable Member
Location
Hell, Florida
here is an article from group k that might help you. (not saying you are having a seizure though)


Seizure by running out of gas - as many people already know, a larger size needle and seat must often be installed into a carburetor to contend with the increased fuel demands of a moderately modified engine. If a modified engine is operated at full throttle with a stock size needle and seat, it will usually carry full rpm for about 2 or 3 seconds and then shut off as if someone hit the kill button. When the machine comes to a stop, the rider touches the start button to see what the problem is. The engine, no longer in fuel deficit caused by the undersized needle and seat, unexpectedly starts right up.
This instant high speed shut off is caused by the carburetor literally running out of gas. It is sometimes implied that during this shut down moment of fuel starvation, the engine is also starved of the oil that is pre mixed in. This perceived oil starvation is then blamed for any subsequent piston scoring or seizure. Watercraft pistons do not seize in this way...ever.
At the moment that the fuel starved engine shuts down, combustion and all the heat associated with it "ceases". Unlike a motorcycle whose rear wheel traction continues to move the pistons in the bores at a very high "friction causing" speed, the propeller and pistons in a fuel starved watercraft stop turning almost instantly. The heat and movement friction that can cause seizure are virtually non existent in a fuel starved watercraft shut down. This same concept applies to any machine that simply runs it's main tank dry before having to switch to reserve.
It is possible for a rider, whose carb has an under sized needle and seat, to induce a piston seizure. However this would require a great deal of combined skill and stupidity. Once the rider has established that extended full throttle operation causes his engine to quit, he might make the very poor choice of only applying enough high speed throttle to avoid starving the engine. When he does this, he will be capable of maintaining about 90% throttle which will hold the engine endlessly on the lean thresh hold of fuel starvation. As this rider eventually masters this throttle position, he will be able to maintain a very high rpm with the carb feeding a horrifically lean mixture. Ultimately his finesse will be rewarded by one of the most abrupt and destructive lean mixture seizures that his mechanic has ever seen.
 
Location
NY
Kawi 750 taken out to 780, ported, head, factory pipe, MSD TL, single Full Spec Carb, Carbon Tech reeds.

I was thinking exactly what was in teh group k article or that i am getting a seizure. But i figured if it seized at WOT and stopped the engine cold i wouldnt be able to get it started right back up again. Or even turn it over for that matter.
 

WaveDemon

Not Dead - Notable Member
Location
Hell, Florida
here is the part I was thinking related to your problem...

If a modified engine is operated at full throttle with a stock size needle and seat, it will usually carry full rpm for about 2 or 3 seconds and then shut off as if someone hit the kill button.


is your needle and seat to small? have you rebuilt the fuel pump in your carb?
 
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