can dye in resin cause issues?

chrisdoc0608

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i mixed some black dye from us composites to just test what it would look like once i glass my hull. after almost two days of sitting out the peice of glass i did is tacky and not hard.... the mixing cup i used is set and hard and i know i mixed the resin correct. would the dye make the resin fail?
 

WFO Speedracer

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How cold is it up there,temperature has a lot more to do with curing than any dye you could have out in it.
 
They also say the thinner the resin is spread the longer it takes to cure... I had some resin take awhile to dry but it was spread real thin as a clear... it setup in the cup right away and took 24 hours on the boat sitting in the sun and it was rock hard... I am sure it is the temp messing with it because It is supposed to be 40 here in florida tonight. I know it is cold in NC for sure...
 

chrisdoc0608

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i think you may be right abt the temp.... it kinda scares me abt the glass i just layed tonight, my shop was 65 and i had a heat lamp on it for a while, but now im going inside and my shop will prob get pretty cold tonight. will cold weather just make the cure time really long or will it make the resin fail
 

WFO Speedracer

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It just takes forever to cure,most resins have different hardeners to compensate for this,with this temperature you need the fast hardener.
 

chrisdoc0608

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i screwed up and got the med cure, and the other i have from last year is slow cure, i had a heat lamp on along with a heat gun on it, but i started so late that i was only able to use it for abt an hour. as of right now the glass is still tacky and not hard, so once im off of work i will cut the shop heater on and set some lights up and see if i cant get it to harden.

If i were to put more hardener in the mix would that compensate for the temperature without damaging the strength?
 

WFO Speedracer

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i screwed up and got the med cure, and the other i have from last year is slow cure, i had a heat lamp on along with a heat gun on it, but i started so late that i was only able to use it for abt an hour. as of right now the glass is still tacky and not hard, so once im off of work i will cut the shop heater on and set some lights up and see if i cant get it to harden.

If i were to put more hardener in the mix would that compensate for the temperature without damaging the strength?

Not really you run the risk or over catalyzing the epoxy and then it loses strength.You are much better off using an external heat source to cure it.
 
you must keep your mix ratio at whatever the manufacturer says it should be.adding or substracting hardener is a sure way of no cure.
dyes and pigment do slow down the curing a bit so put a little.heat on it and wait a while.
 

stanton

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do it!
 

Matt_E

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Not really you run the risk or over catalyzing the epoxy and then it loses strength.You are much better off using an external heat source to cure it.


Besides, varying hardener-resin ratios does nothing for cure times.

The ratio in epoxy resins is not variable, as it is in polyester resins.
If you put too much or too little in, it just won't be as strong as it could be.
 
i wouldn't think so. what is the air temp where you are doing your glass work? i have had a layup do the same thing before and it took forever to set up but the extra in the cup was set. it was around 50 or 60 degrees when it happened to me.
 

smoofers

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As epoxy cures it is an exothermic reaction (produces heat). The cool thing about epoxy is it will kick off quicker if that heat is not dissipated. This is why the epoxy in your mixing cup sets up so quick, it feeds off of its own exothermic reaction and speeds up the curing process. This process is slowed down if the heat dissipation is increased, say in a thin film or with a substrate added to dissipate the heat. Both of these I just mentioned apply to fiberglass, you have the epoxy in a thin film, and lots of glass mat to help dissipate the heat. Like said above, adding heat to your part will help speed up the curing process.

What many people don't realize is your resin needs to be at a temp of between 65-85 degrees to cure properly. Your garage may be 60 degrees when you go to start glassing, but your resin very well could be 40-50 degrees from sitting in the cold garage all night. If you are going to be doing some glassing(and you live in a cold place), preheat your resin before hand. Depending on how cold your climate is, I would put your cans inside your house for about a day before glassing. With epoxy, everything depends on temperature.

I used to work as en engineer for a company that constructed heavy machinery foundations with epoxy. We would employ steam heaters and large enclosures to warm job sites and our epoxy for approximately 48 hours before we would even attempt to mix.

Hope some of this helps, good luck.
 
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