Black Stator Wire Burning

[fischer550]

Whenever I am having a hard time starting my ski, the black stator wire burns through the rubber, leaving exposed copper wire and smoking up the inside of the hull.

What is the cause of this, and what do I need to do to fix it?

This is an ATP flame total loss stator.

 

[OCD Solutions]

Sounds like you have a bad ground cable between the battery and starter so it's pulling current from any source it can. In your case, it's the black wire for the TL.

 

[fischer550]

For my setup, a black cable goes from the negative battery terminal to the ground inside of the ebox.

Red cable for the battery goes to one side of the starter relay inside of the ebox.

Starter is hooked to a red cable that goes to the other side of the starter relay in the ebox.

Is this setup not correct? Which cable would be bad in this case?

 

[OCD Solutions]

Do you have a second black wire from the ebox ground to the engine anywhere? If not, there's your issue.

 

[fischer550]

Do you have a second black wire from the ebox ground to the engine anywhere? If not, there's your issue.

No, what part of the motor should I ground it too?

 

[OCD Solutions]

I would attach it to the starter mounting bolt just like they did from OEM.

 

[holjen77]

Schematic

 

[fischer550]

I would attach it to the starter mounting bolt just like they did from OEM.

Ok, so I have changed it to:

Negative battery cable to starter mounting bolt.

Positive battery cable to relay.

Red relay cable to starter.

Is this correct? And should I install a blank grommet where my old negative cable went to the ebox?, or do I still need a black cable from the ebox to ground to something?

 

[OCD Solutions]

That sounds better to me and yes, plug that unused space in the ebox. The CDI and solenoid will get their ground via the black wire from the stator.

I'm curious where you got the idea to run the ground to the ebox in the first place? As far as I know, the MSD systems require that setup but the ATP do not.

Also, what size cable did you run for the ground? It should be the same size as the other battery cables which is #6.

I've uploaded and attached the instructions for the ATP Flame systems. I don't see where it mentions the battery cables but that is most likely because the Flame doesn't require any changes be made to the starter circuit.

 

[fischer550]

I bought the ebox with a used atp inside of it, it just came like that.

I am going to replace the black wire that is all burnt up. What kind of wire do I need?

 

[fischer550]

And yes the black wire from the ebox to the battery was a standard size battery cable

 

[OCD Solutions]

#14 tinned marine wire. I can send you some along with a blank grommet to fill the unused hole.

 

[long beach local]

My Epic Flame has 2 black in parallel # 14s from stator to ground in ebox . A white and a brown for a total of 4 wires .

 

[long beach local]

Should have mentioned the ignition has not been modified it came this way from England . All the battery cables are standard Yamaha hookups and it works well. Only hiccups I have had is when the battery gets a little low on voltage and you helped me with this some time back Boyer Thanks

 

[OCD Solutions]

I don't remember anything about the ground wiring though. I would bet that in its previous installation, there was a second #6 ground wire from the battery to the starter or engine case somewhere.

The starter has to get its current from the battery somehow. I guess two #14's would support it in a perfect scenario but I would have thought there would be apparent issues long before now.

 

[Vortex]

What about An 8 ga wire from clean metal on/around the ebox mounting stud straight to the negative battery terminal? This should help with getting a better ground for the ignition.

 

[long beach local]

I don't remember anything about the ground wiring though. I would bet that in its previous installation, there was a second #6 ground wire from the battery to the starter or engine case somewhere.

The starter has to get its current from the battery somehow. I guess two #14's would support it in a perfect scenario but I would have thought there would be apparent issues long before now.

I did not explain well enough, I meant 2 parallel # 14s from stator to inside ebox grounded both ends. (2 parallel grounds tying end to end) A 6 gauge or larger #4 has to go from Negative battery post (black) to Starter bolt as any motor would require right? And positive lead from battery (red) would go to line side of sylinoid and from load side of sylinoid to the starter this is standard wiring regardless of TL or OEM correct. I dont think any extra wires need to be ran My Flame works just fine and dos`nt have any other wiring. You wouldnt know it was TL unless I told you as all wiring appears and IS the same as OEM. IMO all wiring and connections need to be PERFECT and the ignition will be reliable. Oh and keep inside of ebox DRY!! nothin new keep it simple