Big Rolls in the surf.?.?

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yamaslut

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Lately I have been working my ass of trying to get my rolls bigger and slower... Being that I ride 2ft surf most of the time, it's not an easy task. I finally feel like I am getting somewhere w/ this... I'm definately not where I want to be, but I think I am starting to trust myself more. Before, I would not pop off the top of the wave if it was big, it was more like a run off the edge type of thing... I wasn't getting the full pop, and if I did it would end up being a 1.25-1.5 disaster roll (those hurt really bad.. ask petey) Now when I launch, I don't concentrate on the roll so much, I just launch it and barely turn the bars at all... I still lean way forward, but not spinning fast...

Has anyone had a tough time getting this??? Let me know about you issues, or epiphany's...

example of a decent roll (I know I have gone bigger, but this gives you an idea) wave was about 6ft or so...



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PancakePete

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Word... I feel your pain... I too work on slowing them down. when its big.. I roll up the wave strait and then just blip a little and tuck, vs. doing and "s"-"c" or whatever turn on the face to kick it out right...

Slow ones are tough to get right... I think concentrating on head movement and just lauching off the wave and then tucking helps me a little...

Freakin Kick arse BR in the pics though... :hail: :Banane01: :biggthumpup:
 
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yamaslut

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yamasaki said:
ive worked on this ALOT myself too.

after watching freeloaders and AMCF, i realized i was just doing these 'drop off the back of the wave' rolls.. so i started focusing on eric malone style rolls.

watch freeloaders, and you can see one BR he does where he launches off the wave and is looking back at the cameraman while he takes off.. then once he's WELL into being airborne, he turns forward, does 'his thang' and throws a big BR...

i feel like i can't do a BR unless i'm already in the motion of it by the time i leave the wave. i still havent figured out how he does that.

i also have been trying to graduate from barrel rolls to BIG barrel rolls.

There is a GINORMOUS difference in the two. wish i had pics of my attempts. there are at least two of you up here that are awesome.
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exactly.... Malone's style on his rolls is so perfect he's just is so fluid!!! I like Buffacci too. He does the biggest rolls I've seen in person... Just amazing. The person who really spiked my will to learn was Fabien Bylor... He has the best style and airs them out too... I want to roll like these guys!!!! I will get it one day, but it's a long trek...

Ed, we need to figure out this pause after the initial jump... how is it done, and what is he doing to initiate the roll if he is in the air... I'm thinking it is an optical illusion of sorts... He just looks like he is not startin till after he leaves the wave... not sure
 
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yamaslut

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PancakePete said:
Word... I feel your pain... I too work on slowing them down. when its big.. I roll up the wave strait and then just blip a little and tuck, vs. doing and "s"-"c" or whatever turn on the face to kick it out right...

Slow ones are tough to get right... I think concentrating on head movement and just lauching off the wave and then tucking helps me a little...

Freakin Kick arse BR in the pics though... :hail: :Banane01: :biggthumpup:
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thanks bro!!!!

your pimp ass rolls were also a huge inspiration to me... It just kills me to watch you roll... mine suck so bad in comparisaon
 
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PancakePete

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yamaslut said:
thanks bro!!!!

your pimp ass rolls were also a huge inspiration to me... It just kills me to watch you roll... mine suck so bad in comparisaon
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No way... You shred that shiot... :Banane01:
 
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yamaslut

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yamasaki said:
i'd agree with that notion.

i was just looking at the video someone took of me rolling at smyrna a while back (on superjett.com) you can see my attempts at a big roll in the first 10 seconds (slo-mo, then real-time).. and like you, i never hit the peak (back then), i'd hit the lips on the sides of the peak.

the problem with hitting the peak is that it kicks you STRAIGHT UP and puts you into a slo-mo rotation (which is PERFECT for a no hander), but when trying to go BIG AIR, i thikn its better to hit jus toff the side? i dont know. what do you think?

i think the vid i was looking at is called yamasaki-rolls , i dont remember who made it (one of the NH guys?)
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when I get one of those slow ones... I do feel like I can do a no-hander pretty easy (just scared) I will try soon though... The really steep waves are what you want... They use to throw me all around into a goofy roll, but I'm starting to lean in more and become one w/ the ski instaed of fighting it...
 
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yamaslut

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yamasaki said:
ive seen your rolls in the surf slutty.. you have a very fast rotation, which is great for smaller waves (i know, duh), ive never seen you slow it down tho.

you need to ride WAB's boat. i didnt like the way your boat 'handled'

that might have something to do with it? ride wab's, and just make a bunch of left/right turns, 180 degrees, then jump on ur boat and try the same thing, youll see what i mean, and he's got tubbies too.. i think its your rideplate or intake or something simple like that. maybe your boat is making you throw your body really hard? (causing you to spin so fast) and youre just used to it? just putting that out there.. :notworthy:
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yeah.... I have the racing tubbies though... they are not good for flatwater freestyle at all... That's not the issue, cause I was doing the same thing before I had them...
 
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yamaslut said:
when I get one of those slow ones... I do feel like I can do a no-hander pretty easy (just scared) I will try soon though... The really steep waves are what you want... They use to throw me all around into a goofy roll, but I'm starting to lean in more and become one w/ the ski instaed of fighting it...
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For a roll off a wave you should not have to tuck as hard as you would in flatwater. I think if you throw your body a little and turn the bars a little and goose the throttle a little up the face of the wave that will give you the height and slow rotation you are looking for. Look at Rick Roy, Buffaki or Malone. They are not really tucked in the surf, more leaning over the bars
 
jetskier79

jetskier79

I'm goin' for two
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San Diego, CA
Interesting enough, I have been working on going bigger with rolls almost exclusively for the past couple months. I feel like my rolls have easily doubled in height since I really started pushing them. Unfortunately, I have no pictures to share. But there is one thing that DRAMATICALLY helped push the rolls....

SURF STANCE.

There where two, immediately noticable improvements when I went surf stance.

The first being that it allowed me to hit the wave a good 50% later. (I made up that percentage. :smile: ). Basically, I realized that I need a steeper face to get more lift, even on small waves...hell, ESPECIALLY on small waves, this made a big difference. First time I focused on hitting the wave later, I felt a POP that send me much higher than I was used to. I'm sure some will tell me that you can hit a wave just is late back in the holds, but it's much less natural. It's quite tough to get the nose down when you are trying to lean over it from the back of the tray. The surf stance puts a lot more weight in the front of the tray, which will help keep you from doing a nose high roll on a steep face.

The second thing was that I feel I have much much better control on the rotation in a surf stance position. I have more control over the ski and my proximity to it. Basically, I am more able to slow or speed rotation mid roll. Coming off the lip with too much rotation is more correctable with a surf stance extension than it is being in the holds.

Once I felt REALLY comfortable with these things, I started grabbing a fist full of throttle. I made a VERY conscious effort to approach faster than I felt I should. I'd approach a wave for a roll and have to tell myself, MORE THROTTLE. It was un-nerving at first, and I've had plenty of 1 1/4 rolls that were no fun, but they have gone down in numbers.
 
LBE

LBE

Eddie Would Go.
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Lets see, In my head I know how it works, I just don't know if I can get it into words.

First off stance: I find if I want to go big with a slow rotation, footholds are not the way. Footholds are great for small surf where you can really pull your knees in (tuck) for a fast rotation. I don't think anyone does a flat water roll surf stance? I can do a decent size roll in the holds but I don't feel like I have as much controll in the air as surf stance. The motion of a roll with your feet in the holds seems simple though, once you have the feeling, variations (look back, no hands, 1 foot) all seem easier to do than when you are in surf stance position.
You lost or confused yet?
For bigger rolls I carry more speed into the wave. I don't blip the throtle at the top, just a steady speed all the way up. In addition, no "S" turn for a big roll. This works good on the small stuff cause your momentum is already going in the right direction when you leave the wave. If the wave is large this can cause overrotation. I ride goofy (right foot foreward) so when I roll it is like doing a front roll. I find that when I come into the wave fast, as I ride up the face I bend my knees a little, like a skate boarder going up a half pipe.?
The bigger the wave the less I turn the bars. Your turn at the top of the wave should be proportionate to the size of the wave. On a big wave you don't need to huck the trick. I think with practice in various surf conditions you learn to judge how hard to throw depending on wave size. (Is that obvious?)
I haven't seen myself do a roll, but Mike says that It looks like I "stall" the ski mid rotation then pull it around. I think that when i bend my knees on the face, I'm preloading the ski. I kind of absorb the motion of the energy (kenetic energy?), after I pop off the top, I straigten the legs to release that energy to continue the rotation. How much I release depends how fast I want to rotate.
If you are leaning foreward a lot to get the nose down, try hitting the wave earlier with more speed. A slight preload will help pop you up as well. Thats pre-load, NOT pre-hop. Tuck a little tighter for more rotation. If a haven't ridden in a bit, and just get back out, I really exagerate my head movement. Follow the water all the way arround.

Well I think I lost myself there. Did I answer anything or just jibba jabba for 5 min? oh well, good luck:biggthumpup:
 
jetskier79

jetskier79

I'm goin' for two
Location
San Diego, CA
http://www.osidecrew.com/v/jk-lookback.mov

Here's a clip of Joe from a few months ago. ********ty qulity, but you get the point. Notice how late he hits the wave. Recently I've been working on look back rolls as well, so it's worth noting that looking back to the beach also really helps get the nose down.

http://jetskier79.onlinestoragesolution.com/self-indulgence.mov

Ok, my disclaimer for this clip is that it's all me, I cut up some of the oside crew adrenalina feature to share some of my shots with some co-workers. But check out the very first roll of the clip. At that time, I thought I hit that wave late and got some height. Not really, more speed would have done it....but take notice of JK right behind me. I don't have the footage on this computer, or I'd show you just that.....but watch how much faster he approaches the wave, and how late it is. He did a roll on that wave....a pretty big one.
 
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yamaslut

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thanks LB and Jerry... good stuff there

I have been doing surf stance rolls for a few months now (on and off)... I will try a few things this week
 
beachedflunkey

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wavejunkies
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Virginia Beach
Nice clips jerry :woot:
Good thread too. I always wuss out on the bigger stuff and switch up to a stab if the wave is vertical beyond my comfort level. 1.25-1.5's suck :bigeyes:
 
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yamaslut

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beachjunkey said:
Nice clips jerry :woot:
Good thread too. I always wuss out on the bigger stuff and switch up to a stab if the wave is vertical beyond my comfort level. 1.25-1.5's suck :bigeyes:
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yeah... nice stabs ya got there too... :Banane01:
 
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