barrel rolling with nothing?

[tom21]

can someone help me out here?

who can flatwater barrel roll with the least amount of extras?

like can any of you guys do it with a 650? basically who has the least power and can still barrel roll?

I am tired of debating this- sooo many of the old school riders just tore it up and I am still saving for an ADA head and some secondhand oversize cylinders- forget about a Team Scream or Lamey setup. so I wanna know who has all the skill and no frill. just how much is necessary to get it done?

And yes I do realize that it is much easier to do with more and more power.

 

[superjet0587]

701 bpipe prop head

 

[SJBrit]

You can roll a stock superjet with the right technique. In fact, probably the best way to learn good technique is to roll without any extra power. Get yourself some footholds and go for it. There are tons of mods that will help for sure, but you can do it without - it'll just be harder to learn.

 

[Mouthfulloflake]

650 power though?

Id LOVE for someone to roll my 650 powered boat.

that would inspire me.

You can roll a stock superjet with the right technique. In fact, probably the best way to learn good technique is to roll without any extra power. Get yourself some footholds and go for it. There are tons of mods that will help for sure, but you can do it without - it'll just be harder to learn.

 

[D-Roc]

i would like to see a video of a flatwater roll on a stockish ski.

 

[BossBailey]

i would like to see a video of a flatwater roll on a stockish ski.

X2

I think you would be in an elite group of riders if you can roll plate to plate with a stock ski or even with a B pipe and head.

 

[GawdspeeD]

well, it seems as though the gauntlet has been thrown down. who will answer the call? i can't turn my sxr without falling off, so whoever could pull a stock barrel roll on any ski would be considered a god to me.

 

[SJBrit]

X2

I think you would be in an elite group of riders if you can roll plate to plate with a stock ski or even with a B pipe and head.

For sure, but it's possible. The point is to just go for it, but with the safety of footholds. Anyone who's rolling a ski in any kind of water show is most likely rolling a stocker - ask Jeremy Parr what he's riding in Orlando - I doubt they even give him footholds. On a 650? I don't know, but if you put a great rider on one then I'm sure it can be/has been done.

The question is: what do you need? The answer is skill, and adding power won't teach you that. Too many people use "too little power" as an excuse (me included, BTW).

 

[Goose]

lastyear on my square 701 single carb with a riva red pipe i got a little over 3/4 rolls on flat.i tried on a stock 650 with footholds and got upside down.it takes practice but it will train you so when you get more power they go completely around and look clean

 

[D-Roc]

learning a flatwater roll would be different then for a pro rider to hop on a stock ski and roll it. either way i still wanna see a flatwater roll on a stock ski, i think you would have to hit the setup at almost full speed.

 

[Mouthfulloflake]

thats what I think too.

In my meager skill level riding, I have to hit waves with some velocity or I get hardly any air time, and my 650 is better than a stock 650.

learning a flatwater roll would be different then for a pro rider to hop on a stock ski and roll it. either way i still wanna see a flatwater roll on a stock ski, i think you would have to hit the setup at almost full speed.

 

[Boris]

Great topic.

Today, me and a friend (both on 650 squares with pipes) tried.
We were thinking if this is even possible on a 650 or if more power is a must.
I can't even get the thing upside down but I think it's all me. I suck no matter how many times I watch the videos.

It's a painful process (my neck is killing me) but our goal is to get inverted on flat water with the 650's or die.

 

[BossBailey]

For sure, but it's possible. The point is to just go for it, but with the safety of footholds. Anyone who's rolling a ski in any kind of water show is most likely rolling a stocker - ask Jeremy Parr what he's riding in Orlando - I doubt they even give him footholds. On a 650? I don't know, but if you put a great rider on one then I'm sure it can be/has been done.

The question is: what do you need? The answer is skill, and adding power won't teach you that. Too many people use "too little power" as an excuse (me included, BTW).

Totally agree skill is the key. But not everyone has the "nac" to do things in sports. Parr, Malone, Stoyer, Ratti, etc. are pros at this sport. Just like Roger Clemens in baseball. You can't go out and throw a ball everyday and all of a sudden throw 95 mph one day. Its one of those things where practice makes perfect but you also kind of have to have be a natural too. All of us aren't going to be able to go out and pratice and one day be rolling 650s. That is why we need power to aid in our lack of skill.

 

[D-Roc]

i rode a couple of pretty weak bored out 650/701 superjets and there was no hit what so ever. i just don't know how it could be done if the ski doesn't hit. That is why i would so like to see it done. I keep hearing people can "roll" a stock ski but never seen it.

 

[SJBrit]

Whatever - just go and start learning. If you think at more power is what you need, you'll have a handy excuse for failure for life, because there's always more power to be had. If you want some help, go buy a lowered pole bracket to get your rotation speed up and hack a few inches off your pole (free mod).

 

[SJBrit]

Totally agree skill is the key. But not everyone has the "nac" to do things in sports. Parr, Malone, Stoyer, Ratti, etc. are pros at this sport. Just like Roger Clemens in baseball. You can't go out and throw a ball everyday and all of a sudden throw 95 mph one day. Its one of those things where practice makes perfect but you also kind of have to have be a natural too. All of us aren't going to be able to go out and pratice and one day be rolling 650s. That is why we need power to aid in our lack of skill.

Tom didn't ask whether we could all do it, he asked whether it could be done. The answer is yes, and that's hope for the rest of us. 90% of us will need a crap load more power to get around, but that shouldn't stop anyone from trying from stock.

 

[D-Roc]

is the answer yes? i hope so, who is going to step up and roll a stock ski with holds? better yet who here is going to learn to roll on the said setup?

 

[Marshj]

ill get video thursday

 

[D-Roc]

sweet you da man! i've been waiting to see this for some time.

 

[jMike]

now lets roll a stock SXR.. or better yet a Hydrospace.. (lets allow the yellow ECU).. once u dial the setup wake (BTW i've only ever hit one right) its a matter of getting that throw effect from the pump.. but what do i know, i only manage to wash the backs of my eyeballs upon re-entry.. that last 1/3 of the roll is the hole grail to us amatures'