Anyone else get screwed by DASA/Lamey shis summer?

ATS_Aaron

ATS_Aaron

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So I bought a Lamey this summer. The new billet one yeah!! 89mm bore and I had an 8mm crank rebuild by Crankworks and was ready to rock!!

The epoxy fell out of the cases on the second day.

The power was only a little better than my Team Scream 828...so I figured something wasn't right. I asked DASA/Lamey if they had a dyno and would they set it up for me. Brian said yes that they had TWO dynos, and to be sure I sent them all of my setup in when I sent it in for the case repairs.....

TWO MONTHS LATER I call and they tell me the dyno is broken and they can't tune it.

TWO MONTHS to tell me the dyno was broken.

NO mention of dyno #2.

So I ask them to just send it back and at least I can try and get it dialed in. I get it back about 10 days ago, but it was tonight before I could even look at it.

IT WON'T TURN OVER!! The #2 rod is now hitting the bottom of the cases.

This is AFTER all the BS conversations with DASA about how they are checking out my motor and making sure everything is fine. They sent it back assembled but IT WOULD NOT TURN OVER. The rod hits the cases at BDC on the #2 cylinder. HOW DO YOU MISS THAT?!?!?!

WTF DASA. I'd better get a call Monday from someone @ DASA willing to fix this F&^%$# up.

Aaron
 
ATS_Aaron

ATS_Aaron

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I just pulled the custom plate off the bottom that Brian at DASA made to hold the epoxy in.

Funny thing, they told me they NEVER had a superjet drop the epoxy out of the cases....

One side the epoxy came out with the plate...never really stuck to the cases and the other side is already showing cracks between the epoxy and the cases. This is on an epoxy job that has NEVER BEEN RUN.

FYI when you go big stroke you lose the bottom of your cases and count on machined epoxy to stay in place.

So after removing the plate I turned the motor over...and it stuck in a different spot. Looking in the hole in the bottom of the cases.....I spy a WASHER in the laying in the case under the #2 cylinder.

Thanks for the spare head washer DASA...I would have preferred to have gotten it OUTSIDE THE MOTOR.

I'll post pics later, you can see little circle marks on the epoxy where the washer was caught between it and the rod.

Washer removed and now it turns over.

I was originally reluctant to make my original post because everyone makes some mistakes....but it looks like all Lamey/DASA can do is make mistakes.

Lamey = LAME

Aaron
 
Lakeman

Lakeman

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Wichita, KS
Sounds like you have a real beef against them. Did you try to work it out with them before you posted your story?

I hate to see this happen. No body wins.

Dale
 
ATS_Aaron

ATS_Aaron

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Pics. First pic you can see the washer. Second pic is the epoxy already cracking off the cases, Third and fourth pics are the epoxy stuck to the plate Brian made, see the little half circle dents from the washer?

Aaron
 

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Big Kahuna

Big Kahuna

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with the stellar reputation they have,you might want to clear this up with them first.
they should be receptive to your worries.
 
wsuwrhr

wsuwrhr

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Alta Loma, working in Upland
I will take this up wth Kyle as soon as I see him. We will make this right.
Under any circumstances, the washer in the motor is not excusable.

We do have two dynos, one is an engine dyno and the second a wheel dyno.

As far as the epoxy coming out, it has never happened that anyone has heard. We thought it was caused by the bacfire. Why it isn't sticking for a second time....


The controller for the engine dyno isn't working right and Dan hasn't fixed it.
 
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kid4now

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Miami Fl
wsuwrhr said:
I will take this up wth Kyle as soon as I see him. We will make this right.
The washer in the motor is not excusable.

We do have two dynos, one is an engine dyno and the second a wheel dyno.

As far as the epoxy coming out, it has never happened that anyone has heard. We thought it was caused by the bacfire. Why it isn't sticking for a second time....


The controller for the engine dyno isn't working right and Dan hasn't fixed it.
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Stuff happens ! but the motor coming back a second time not working properly and having a washer in it is totally unexcusable. I applaud your complete acceptance of responsibility but talk is cheap. Now the speed of your attention, workmanship, and going beyond your customers expectation will show how much truth was behind your words. Im sure ATS_Aaron invested alot of money and time with this motor based on the reputation of your company.
 
ATS_Aaron

ATS_Aaron

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More Lamey bull&^%$#

I needed to pull the flywheel bolt out to install a degree wheel so I could make some timing marks.

The flywheel bolt was WAY WAY overtightened. I had to take the engine to my real shop to use the BIG air gun to get it off. I would estimate it had over 100 ft lbs on it considering the effort it took from my big gun.

BTW this was a new bolt when I built this motor.

Once I get the bolt out I find out the last couple threads are GONE. Still in the crank presumably. Yep, confirm that the bolt will no longer go all the way into my 8mm stroker crank.

Then I noticed my stator (yes I know it looks like it has seen better days, and the Advent CDI doesn't use the missing coil)). When I sent the motor in I had the special JSS stainless steel allens and the special cut washers holding the stator in place.

I guess Lamey liked the bolts, because the took them and replaced them with some non-stainless crap. Looks like the idea behind the specially cut washers was too complicated for Lamey too because they installed them WRONG.

Hopefully a tap will fix the crank snout.

See pics below.

Aaron
 

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wsuwrhr

wsuwrhr

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Alta Loma, working in Upland
I agree 100%, unfortunately I only handle the machining end at DASA.

"Talk is cheap?"


kid4now said:
Stuff happens ! but the motor coming back a second time not working properly and having a washer in it is totally unexcusable. I applaud your complete acceptance of responsibility but talk is cheap. Now the speed of your attention, workmanship, and going beyond your customers expectation will show how much truth was behind your words. Im sure ATS_Aaron invested alot of money and time with this motor based on the reputation of your company.
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wsuwrhr

wsuwrhr

Purveyor of the Biggest Brapp
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Alta Loma, working in Upland
I will find out what happened to your bolts. If I can't find them, I will see to it that they are replaced.

If I were to make an educated guess based on my life as a machinist, I would say the flywheel wasn't on too tight or overtightened, the problem was the bolt galled when it bottomed out in the threaded section of the crank and it was screwed in without either tapping the hole deeper in the crank or shortening the bolt. Either way there is no doubt the workmanship was/is sloppy and a complete embarassment to the the way things are supposed to be run at the shop.



ATS_Aaron said:
Then I noticed my stator (yes I know it looks like it has seen better days, and the Advent CDI doesn't use the missing coil)). When I sent the motor in I had the special JSS stainless steel allens and the special cut washers holding the stator in place.

I guess Lamey liked the bolts, because the took them and replaced them with some non-stainless crap. Looks like the idea behind the specially cut washers was too complicated for Lamey too because they installed them WRONG.

Hopefully a tap will fix the crank snout.

See pics below.

Aaron
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wsuwrhr

wsuwrhr

Purveyor of the Biggest Brapp
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Alta Loma, working in Upland
I could respond via PM, but it is important to see that DASA does make mistakes from time to time, as does any company. In this case, several on one project. It is no doubt an embarassment to everyone involved.

The preliminary story I have on the stator bolts is that they seemed to be regular button-head stainless bolts. Button heads have one size smaller key than cap screws or "allen" heads. The general concensus was maybe this was the reason your stator was loose when it came into the shop after you ran it the first time, that maybe it was too hard to tighten down good enough.

I called you about this very problem when Kyle said your motor came in with a loose stator. I did NOT mention the bolts though, as I was not told about any bolt issue, other than that they weren't tight. It is reasonable to think this may have caused a backfire and that certainly could blow out the epoxy in a heartbeat. So he used different bolts with a better head. I will see about the bolts Monday and will replace them with the correct bolts as you wish.

We refilled the case and I made a custom plate for it at Aaron's request which turned out to be a cool idea which we now use on all case fills.

I wanted to call and talk to you about this directly, but I don't have your number in my shop. I have to wait until someone can get it for me Monday.

Again, I just take care the machineshop for DASA, so most of my information is secondhand.

DASA will work to make this right.

Brian
 
ATS_Aaron

ATS_Aaron

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Brian I have always thought and still think you are a stand-up guy. I appreciate you taking care of this. I was able to fix the crankshaft snout with a 10x1.25 tap. The washer is out now and the only thing (I know of) holding me back is some stator parts I need to get from Hot Products.

Aaron
 
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