Super Jet 701 build/test. Some issues and RPM question.

sharkcus

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Strongsville, OH
I picked up a cheap SN with a bad 650 and put in a (literally, new) 701 with a new RIVA head. I did not swap electronics (yet) so I am stuck with the 650's rev limiter. Single carb. No exhaust leaks. Starts up fine, every time, without primer.

I took it to the lake yesterday. The water temp was probably 40. It starts up but seems to "chug" a lot at lower rpm. At first, it almost sounded like it was running on 1cyl, but I tested and it's definitely running on both. (Dies with 1 plug not connected). So I took it out and something didn't feel right. I have owned a (stock) 650 SN for a few years, so I know what to expect, but it actually felt like less power than a stock 650. And it also seems to hit the rev limiter earlier than my 650. Or maybe it just felt like it. On my 650, I don't remember actually hearing ignition studdering when it hit the limiter (expect when I have it out of the water on a wave). On this one, when I gun it, it gets up but then studders, almost "buzzes" if that makes sense.
Engine felt cool, not overheating although I did disconnect the temp sensor because there isn't a spot for it on the new head. I didn't do anything special to the sensor, just coiled it up and ziptied it. Installed a pisser and clear lines, everything is getting water.

I've never been on a 701 before, and maybe I was expecting too much, but it didn't have that low end "punch out of the water" feel to it. Even my 650 had a little "punch". Yes it would get up on a plane, but it felt slightly than my 650. I'm using the same pump (literally) that I had on my 650, so thats not it.

Also, my plugs were black. One one side of the PTO plug's ceramic had a lighter spot. Wasn't white but definitely not as dark as the MAG cyl. Almost like it wasn't firing as much. (yet, at idle, when i disconnect the plug, it stalls). I'll attach pictures when I get home. It's hard to describe how the ski was running. It got me up, but seemed to "studder" kind of how an engine feels like when missing a plug. Very bumpy.

Thoughts? Disconnected temp connection causing issues? Too rich? Would 650 electronics (rev limiter) make a 701 run WORSE than a 650? Other ideas? If I discovered it was really only running on 1 cyl, it wouldn't suprise me because thats the kind of lack of power it feels like.
I will also do a compression test tonight and post results. As I'm writing this, I'm starting to wonder if it is compression on the PTO cyl. That would allow it to continue to run, but maybe not that great. and misfire under load?
 
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sharkcus

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Strongsville, OH
Also, cylinders are 62T, case is a 61x. From what I understand, that is the opposite of what most people go for :(
But still should blow my 650 away, right?
 
In you first post you stasted that the 701 is new? So it sounds like ingnition may be the most likely culprit. Check for the main three Compression, Spark, fuel. Then post again. Just because a motor has spark, fuel, or compression, on the hose or the stand does NOT SAY IT HAS THEM UNDER A LOAD OR WHEN THE COMPONETS GET HOT! It is diffacult to check these things under a load. But it can be done.
 

Matt_E

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It really shouldn't die when you disconnect one spark plug (out of the water, of course)
 

sharkcus

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Yeah, I have to check compression tonight.
And it was in the water. I don't remember if it totally died, but it made a HUGE difference (indicating the cyl was definitely firing).
The other thought I had was a bad CDI because again, even for a 650 cdi, the rev limited seemed to come on VERY fast. Maybe running in limp mode. I'm not sure. More info to come tonight :)
 

munki63

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Sounds like you might have an exhaust leak, try ripping around the lake with your hood off, see if that helps
 
Many ignition problems make you think the motor is hitting the rev limiter. But alot of the time it is a grounding issue or cdi or coil problem. Make sure all your ground wires are tight and no corrosion. plug wires are in good shape connected snugly.
 
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sharkcus

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Strongsville, OH
Thanks, I'll check that too. My plug wires are recently cut back and clean, but I'll double check my grounds. I'm going to need to buy a 701 (or protec or msd) CDI anyway soon, so I might wait to mess with the electronics until that comes in. Well, aside from checking the grounds.
 
everything is grounded in side the e box as well, these need to be in good shape also. If water ever got in the Ebox you may need to clean every thing up.
where did you get the motor? it is possible you have an air leak. also if the jetting is rich or you have an exhaust leak (rich condition) it will just never rev out all the way. The motor usually runs smoothly, just won't rev. Running rough and missing and rev bouncing lends itself more to a fuel delivery problem or an ignition problem. It is also possible you are dealing with more than one problem. None of your components are proven to work correctly are they?
 
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sharkcus

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Strongsville, OH
Alright, compression with this head is 145 on both cyl. It's only been through one (short) heat cycle so I am hoping I see higher comp with this head in the future.
Checked the high and low screws. Both were 2.5 full turns out. Do you guys think that could be causing it? I don't remember what stock is, but I am pretty sure it wasn't 2.5 full turns. Both plugs were black. Ebox is untested, but dry as a bone. I used components that I am pretty positive had a good track record, but you can never be 100% sure. Brand new (literally brand new) cylinders. (62t) and used but known good bottom end (61x). Next test: bypass fuel selector switch. Although maybe I should route the return into a bucket, start it up on land and make sure there is still fuel coming out the return when I have it WOT? (on water of course)
 
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