Opinions, 701 SN or hold out for a RN
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Foximus
CFL Cheapass.
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- Oviedo, Fl
LoL. Sorry, your right. Spend the money on a better topdeck. lmao.
BruceSki
Formerly Motoman25
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- Long Island
The only other reason i would suggest a newer ski is the fact that you get newer parts. IE:electronics are new, midshaft and other rubber parts are new. For example- I have worked on 90 squares before and it sucks when your gas fill neck rubber and parts like that are solid as a rock.
If it was me getting into it i would buy the 1000 dollar square and see if i like it then move up from there. You could easily save some money while you own it and sell that ski for 1500 in the summer then buy a RN if that is what you want to do.
If it was me getting into it i would buy the 1000 dollar square and see if i like it then move up from there. You could easily save some money while you own it and sell that ski for 1500 in the summer then buy a RN if that is what you want to do.
Layne
Addicted.
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- Springfield, MO
Yeah Moto that's exactly what I'm thinking.
This doesn't need to be an RN vs an SN. If an RN was the same price we'd all get one, but the price is subjective on worth of the ski.
The question more specifically is whether this is a good venture, which it seems like it most definitely is.
This doesn't need to be an RN vs an SN. If an RN was the same price we'd all get one, but the price is subjective on worth of the ski.
The question more specifically is whether this is a good venture, which it seems like it most definitely is.
onesojourner
I use a thumb throttle.
- Location
- springfield, mo
you mean you haven't bought it yet?
steve-uk
Manners cost nothing
- Location
- Barrie - ontario
seems like a fair price.. ignore the sn vs rn
Layne
Addicted.
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- Springfield, MO
Haven't seen it yet, as long as its all he says it is and the pictures confirm I'll be coming back with it tomorrow.
Big Kahuna
Administrator
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- Tuscaloosa, AL
If all your going to do is ride in the surf or just rip up the lake, then the SN is a great ski.
If you plan to get serious into flatwater freestyle/freeriding then you will be better off with the RN. If the SN is that much better why didn't Rick Roy, Eric Malone, Alisander Lenzi, Josh Lustic, Jason Storyer, and all the other "Pro's" get Wamilton, Lightweight DE, XFT to build them lightweight SN hulls?
yeah, the front of a SN is lower than a RN, but at the rear the SN gets higher. Also the hood is sloped some whereas the RN lowered hoods are flater in the areas you need them to be.
Also, if the SN was so good why would there only be a run from 90-95 of this design vs the run of 96-2010 with "0" change to the upper deck. That is 15 years with the same top deck on an "inferior" design!
Ok, enough with the "propaganda".
yes, the SN and the RN shared the same bottom hull from 1990 until 2007. But that is all that they had in common as far as handling. Flat water, the SN feels heavy. Almost like you cannot get any leverage. Hop on a RN, you get some more leveage, but when you drop a lowered bracket you get a ton more leverage. But wait, you are making the RN more into a SN with the lowered bracket. Well, yes and no. With the SN the pole is lowered but the bracket is mounted on an angle. So to get the ski to rotate, you actually have to twist the pole/bars. The RN bracket once lowered sits more vertical than horizontal (ie like the SN) so when you go to try and rotate the ski, you are not having to twist but are more forcing the ski over into the direction of your roll or nosestab.
OK, because I typed this, it is the gospel, why? Because I said so.:scared:
Funny thing I remember back from 2004 or so there was a guy in Florida that no matter how many hulls he went through, the SN was the shiznet, he would paint one up. Crush the nose, rip the nose off, replace the hull, repaint............... and then it happened. This guy picked up a RN, got it set up and guess what. lets just say he had a change of heart. This guy was as opinionated, diehard as anybody gets. You cannot change his mind for nothing. Nothing you can say, tell him, nothin............
So, does all this mean squat. Depends on what you want out of your ski. For me, the SN is far inferior as a hull design. Or is it? In the surf it is a great handling ski. On the race coursse, It may even be better in some ways to a RN. Hell, I know of two top level racers that still can rock it on the old SN. One of them just retired that hull about a year ago and snatched the SD 951 out of it and put it in an 08-09 SJ hull. But for flat water. Yeah, it just plain sucks.................................for me.
Ride what you want, enjoy the hell out of it like it is the next best thing to sliced bread.
- Location
- Marshall, AR
Has anyone tried to duplicate the pole mount angle from a rn to a sn? I have noticed the slope the sn has, without handholds it does kinda make it hard to stay on the hood.
- Location
- orlando
buy it, i was happy with mine until i had to sell it to buy a house.
Foximus
CFL Cheapass.
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- Oviedo, Fl
I dont understand this? Can you explain better?
If you can look back and find my old squarenose build thread I did this. I lowered the rear of the hood 3.5" so the top of the hood was basically level.
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Big Kahuna
Administrator
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- Tuscaloosa, AL
do you have one of those plug wrenches that you buy at an autoparts store that has a swivel on it?
If you grab the "T" handle and just try to loosen the plug it can be difficult. But if you rotate the top portion down 90 degrees and then use the handle (more like a wrench vs a screw driver at this point) you get more leverage on the plug.
another example, take a standard allen wrench. hold the short end and try to loosen a bolt. it is hard, this is like a SN pole with the SN bracket. Then hold the long end and loosen the bolt. you get more leverage. Granted the torque ratio's between the short vs long is not at the same ratio as with the two different hull designs. But I think you can get what I am saying.
It takes a whole lot more effort to try and get a SN rotating along its axis than a RN. If you go back and look at Rick Roy on his old SN, and then look at him on his 96 hull, he was getting a whole lot more rotation with the RN.
chriselmore_1
high on resin
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- san jose ca
squares are fine, especially at that price w/ a trailer. mine rotates fine... in fact it was doing barrel rolls all day long today without me even atached.....lol... just ask anyone who rode pismo today.......
Boris
The Good Old Days
- Location
- The surf-less coast
Which axis are you referring to ?
Layne
Addicted.
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- Springfield, MO
I hate your year round summer, winter here means real winter lol. :rant:
Was in the garage messing with the skis for about an hour with a space heater and still can't feel my hands.
In any case I still see getting an RN once the right one comes along.
Foximus
CFL Cheapass.
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- Oviedo, Fl
Yea.... kahuna you are just muddying up your analogy even further... LoL. Are you saying that the Squarenose pole mount is not as far forward on the hull? Because the pole is longer on square nose...? The nice thing about a squarenose Is without doing any glasswork you can get your handpole to mount another 3" more forward.
The further forward the better...
The further forward the better...
Big Kahuna
Administrator
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- Tuscaloosa, AL
Length = ie Barrell Rolls.
Boris
The Good Old Days
- Location
- The surf-less coast
Than I don't see how you came to your conclusion.
A taller bracket not a shorter one would allow you to transfer more torque not the angle at which it's bolted to the hull.
Foximus
CFL Cheapass.
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- Oviedo, Fl
Either way bracket hieght does not matter as it ultimately boils down to the height off the CG centerline at which the handlebars are torqued. The point at which there is a pivot does not matter.
Big Kahuna
Administrator
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- Tuscaloosa, AL
lower pole = lower C.O.G. = faster spin.