US freestyle!

[FL-cracker]

to all those freeriders guys that go to freerides(freeriders)

find the region your in and go do a competition or Two

just try it
some may like it some may hate it but everyone should chip in
thanks
brenden

Done it.... The part I realy liked was the double up (Thank you OWC!). You can keep the rest of it. It is to expensive. I like going big.... I cant afford the boat I need for Flatwater. I will stay in the surf, and keep hitting lips as hard as I can. :wave:

 

[FL-cracker]

For all you guys suggesting surf, that is great for you and living close to surf but what about people who dont live near the coast? It may be cheaper to build a surf boat but its gonna cost us a ton of money each season just to travel to these events. I would love to do more than one surf contest a year, but for me the only one that is practical is myrtle beach. Plus us inland guys would have chance against you surf guys and you know it.:dead1:

Looks like if people want to ride surf they should just pack there bags and move East. :Banane19:

Or just be happy with flatwater, and your region turnouts :thumbsdown:

I would be at any surf event on the Eastern side of Florida, untill that happens I will see you guys at as many Surf Free rides I can make.

I will be at Myrtle Beach Next year!

 

[brett]

Looks like if people want to ride surf they should just pack there bags and move East. :Banane19:

Or just be happy with flatwater, and your region turnouts :thumbsdown:

I would be at any surf event on the Eastern side of Florida, untill that happens I will see you guys at as many Surf Free rides I can make.

I will be at Myrtle Beach Next year!

east?!?

im sure you meant west : )

 

[FL-cracker]

east?!?

im sure you meant west : )

If you have lots of $$$ Then move West :Banane09:

 

[typhoontommy]

Surf comps/shows have inherent problems; like crowd being too far from action, Inconsistent water conditions like storms, tides chanding shoreline, too big waves, too small or no waves, shallow spots, etc. tough pit and staging areas. Areas like havasu are so easy due to great weather most of the year with minimal changes in water conditions.
Can you imagine having a florida surf World finals event and a huricane treatening and cancels the event; lost sponsors, people overseas, etc. surf events are risky -- I would never want to promote one. I remember the original hot water tour final round in 1994 canceled due to hurricane andrew -- basically killed that event. Crap, I had an event planned last year in florida and it got canceled by a tropical storm.

If the IJSBA had run the world finals last weekend in tampa bay or something like that how would had it a turned out with weather? Havasu was sunny (perfect) all week tuesday to sunday.

 

[brett]

a common misconception- aint that expensive

take that 5000 grand you save on your flatwater boat and move to the coast!

 

[brett]

Surf comps/shows have inherent problems; like crowd being too far from action, Inconsistent water conditions like storms, tides chanding shoreline, too big waves, too small or no waves, shallow spots, etc. tough pit and staging areas. Areas like havasu are so easy due to great weather most of the year with minimal changes in water conditions.
Can you imagine having a florida surf World finals event and a huricane treatening and cancels the event; lost sponsors, people overseas, etc. surf events are risky -- I would never want to promote one. I remember the original hot water tour final round in 1994 canceled due to hurricane andrew -- basically killed that event. Crap, I had an event planned last year in florida and it got canceled by a tropical storm.

If the IJSBA had run the world finals last weekend in tampa bay or something like that how would had it a turned out with weather? Havasu was sunny (perfect) all week tuesday to sunday.

seems to work with surfing

 

[PancakePete]

Actually, that has nothing to do with Freestyle. This is more of a continuation of the Red Bull events from 1999-2001.

Dont get me wrong, I like the surf slam and what it is......... But it is not freestyle.........

I dont agree with that BK.... I think that alot of freestyle is also in surf/freeriding and/or Motosurf/Freestlye surf is I think that Freestyle surf competitions would give a new angle to the sport it needs....
Just my opinion... People get excited for a flatwater backflip.....
People get the "Holy SHiot" factor for 20'+ surf backies.
I think that the wow factor will bring more attention.
I hope that more comps come about and more people can attend.

seems to work with surfing

Werd... and surf pros make 6-7 figures doing it...
It can work just like surfing. :fing02:

 

[FL-cracker]

Pete said it best! :bigok:

I would make it to as many surf COMP events that I could!!!!!!

 

[Big Kahuna]

I dont agree with that BK.... I think that alot of freestyle is also in surf/freeriding and/or Motosurf/Freestlye surf is I think that Freestyle surf competitions would give a new angle to the sport it needs....
Just my opinion... People get excited for a flatwater backflip.....
People get the "Holy SHiot" factor for 20'+ surf backies.
I think that the wow factor will bring more attention.
I hope that more comps come about and more people can attend.


Werd... and surf pros make 6-7 figures doing it...
It can work just like surfing. :fing02:

Answer me this, when you are out riding on saturday in pismo, how many minutes will you be out there????

If you say 10 minutes, then you are at a Freeride Contest. IE, go out and go big for 10 minutes against a competitor, the best one moves on.

If you say 2 minutes then you are at a freestyle competition. Go out and give it everything you got, compiled into a flowing routine getting scored alone and the competitor that has the overal score wins.....

Granted every trick that you do in a freeride contest you can do during a freestyle routine, but I dont think you will see a freestyle routine being performed at the Freeride competition this weekend.

 

[Big Kahuna]

think more along the lines of a surf comp BK.

you can have 2, 3, 4 guys out there for up to 10mins

even skateboarding comps have the "jam format"

Exactly, that was I was referring to about the 10 minutes........... But this has nothing to do with the state of Freestyle competitions in the US and the fact that there are not many competitors...... There are regions where you dont get one person to compete.

You cannot have a surf slam/jam in middle america............

 

[Big Kahuna]

OK, so here are some of my random thoughts on the state of the Union:

We as American Freestyle riders need to get our arses back in gear :Banane36: With the exception of the obvious stud, and Norcal (nice showing at WF BTW) we are getting our butts handed to us at the world level.
It's time for more of the young'ns step it up too, I think Jason Stoyer was the youngest US Pro in Havasu and he's got to be close to 30. WTF?

So what's it going to take? I'd teach every weekend all year long if I knew how to do anything that I can do......I am a horrible teacher, but if you want to come to Titusville, FL and ride let me know when. We need some good ideas here to get some new blood involved!

:usa:

i dont think anyone here was hinting at having a surf comp in Idaho.

youre not telling us anything we dont already know.

Parrs post is about freestyle, not surf competitions......... That is the whole point....................

Surf competitions are not gonna do anything to help Freestyle Competitions at the World Finals.

 

[tom21]

I was discussing my excitement at "the growth of the sport" with a friend and he shot me down saying what growth? since racing was big way back to now it has not moved much at all. compared to MX or the x games our sport is boring to watch. this was his explanation to me. people come and go but there are not that many more players, new businesses come and some go, its still where it was a long time ago. its boring.

I was a little more than hurt and upset. How could I even respond? to me its exciting, but I am doing it or wanting to do the stuff I am watching. to someone that doesn't ride and who is a friend its boring. makes sense now when I show a clip of surf riding to family and they say _ wow thats nice. and move off to do something else. WTF?

is our sport growing or not? how do we measure? how do you get it to be not boring? I think this is relevant to this discussion, cause how else are you going to get some kid to beg his parents to buy him a ski and risk his neck to ride and pay for gas and on and on if they think it is sorta boring and can buy a skateboard or bike and tear it up for less than a b-pipe?

 

[tom21]

is our sport growing? or it the same. I thought it was starting to grow.

so its just gonna be freeride events then cause there is a snowballs chance in hell of getting support for an event that may or may not turn out when you can't predict the weather or the waves?

 

[parrdaddy]

Parrs post is about freestyle, not surf competitions......... That is the whole point....................

Surf competitions are not gonna do anything to help Freestyle Competitions at the World Finals.

Yes, that was my original intent with this thread. I don't think surf events are having any problems getting riders from all over the world, I'm trying to figure out what we need to do to turn flatwater freestyle around and get it more mainstream :thewave:

I was discussing my excitement at "the growth of the sport" with a friend and he shot me down saying what growth? since racing was big way back to now it has not moved much at all. compared to MX or the x games our sport is boring to watch. this was his explanation to me. people come and go but there are not that many more players, new businesses come and some go, its still where it was a long time ago. its boring.

I was a little more than hurt and upset. How could I even respond? to me its exciting, but I am doing it or wanting to do the stuff I am watching. to someone that doesn't ride and who is a friend its boring. makes sense now when I show a clip of surf riding to family and they say _ wow thats nice. and move off to do something else. WTF?

is our sport growing or not? how do we measure? how do you get it to be not boring? I think this is relevant to this discussion, cause how else are you going to get some kid to beg his parents to buy him a ski and risk his neck to ride and pay for gas and on and on if they think it is sorta boring and can buy a skateboard or bike and tear it up for less than a b-pipe?

Forgive me for saying this, but your friend has a fairly common opinion on the racing side of life, it can be boring to watch a bunch of couches chase each other around a bunch of random bouys that make no sense to most people. But racing is the main event, freestyle is not enough to stand alone even though it may be the crowd favorite, so we need to figure out how to revamp the whole deal :bigok: I was mainly looking for positive ideas here to pass on to the promoters to try and get new riders involved.

And I agree with Tommy on promoting surf events, it's got to be 10 times harder than doing a flatwater show. As for comparing us to surfing events, I think those guys can travel overseas for much cheaper with a surf board than we can with a ski or couch, tools, gas jugs, etc. So if one of their events get canceled, it sucks....but they didn't spend 6 months salary to do it at:

 

[waterfreak]

All you guys that think flatwater is boring where not at WF this year. It was the most intertaining amateur and professional event I've ever seen! Why can't it be that way at the regional events? Maybe participation.

Before all of you complain about $ and equipment, practice on your basic skills and work your way up before thinking that you need a $25000 ski to be successfull, than maybe sponsors will notice and hopefully provide some help.

Freerides are great, but the feeling of competition is what brings us to push harder and create exitment amongs all of us.

 

[tom21]

Mr Parr, I was discussing freestyle with him. I am not a racer and not really into it. I don't want to be negative! I was PO'd at what he said and tried for a few minutes to compare our sport (freeride flat or surf) to any other "sport" out there and he was able to shoot holes in my argument based mainly on the fact that no one notices us. golf, shuffleboard, curling, badminten, synchronized swimming, on and on are ten times more boring to watch than seeing someone go inverted. I am trying to help here, honestly, so why are those things on tv? cause I have seen em, and ours is not?

his answer- cause more people are into those by far than the total number of standup riders in the world. I don't have numbers to back it up so I can't go on wiht the arguement. wouldn't figuring out some of this help us get to the spotlight and open it up?

you are trying to grow the freestyle competition and I am giving you an outsiders take on why no one but us cares. the two need to come together to set it off. if its gonna be a grass roots movement they there needs to be a way to measure the grow or you will not know if the roots are growing.

his last response- and I think this one will soon join the " they still make them standup thingys?"

"Besides how many times can you see a backflip or BR and still be in awe? ok whats next?"

 

[Matt_E]

Here's my dumbass take on the topic.

1.) It's interesting only to those that ride themselves. Everyone else gets bored after the 10th flip and/or roll. That is just how it is. I've seen & experienced that time after time.

2.) Not many people are into it. Couch sales are up, standups are down. Too expensive for a single-rider craft. Why spend that dough on a craft limited to water, when you can buy a dirtbike, atv, or whatnot?

golf, shuffleboard, curling, badminten are easy to get into and cheap.
Freestyle is not cheap. Freeride is limited because of limited surf access.

You can't change those things.

Yeah, we hear it's growing. Maybe a couple percent a year, but this isn't a major sport and probably never will be.
As long as I can get parts and water access, I will ride (and not care about the growth of the sport).
I don't really want more dumbasses like myself on the water, because it will only piss people off.

 

[parrdaddy]

"Besides how many times can you see a backflip or BR and still be in awe? ok whats next?"

Funny, I was just talking with Pat yesterday about that....2 years @ WF and no new tricks :Flush:

 

[parrdaddy]

All you guys that think flatwater is boring where not at WF this year. It was the most intertaining amateur and professional event I've ever seen! Why can't it be that way at the regional events? Maybe participation.

Before all of you complain about $ and equipment, practice on your basic skills and work your way up before thinking that you need a $25000 ski to be successfull, than maybe sponsors will notice and hopefully provide some help.

Freerides are great, but the feeling of competition is what brings us to push harder and create exitment amongs all of us.

You sir are spot on IMO. I worked up to Am Nat. Champion with a B pipe, ADA head, and MSD........it can be done on a budget, you just have to work harder :Banane26: