set up wake questions

[2nd nature]

can some one explain proper way to make a set up wake.maybe a drawing to show where to turn and where to hit the wake. ive been trying a 90 degree turn to the left and almost a 180 back at the wake just not getting as good as run as id like.

 

[jetskiking]

I have been trying it two ways. one way where I have been making about a 70deg turn and turning almost 180 back into the v. I have also been trying a u shaped setup with just a wide sweeping turn then turn back into the middle where the waves are coming together.

 

[Matt_E]

Everybody does'em different. I found it better to make about 70 degrees turn instead of 90 - but that's just me, at my current skill level (weak).
Also, I see lots of good riders turn around after only 20 feet or so to head back into the wake. I can't do that, I need more time for some reason.

 

[Snackem]

I like to make a very sharp 'U", I've seen guys make an S with success as well. I'd go watch some of the videos on Jett's page and see what guys do to set themselves up then just try some of them and see what works for you.

 

[jetskiking]

I have also found that the faster you can get turned around after your turn the bigger the wakes are when you get to them. It dosnt give the waves time to die down before they are hitting each other. Like Matt said its eisier said then done.

 

[Waste Land]

I like to make U/S/J wakes. Bigger for things like stabs, and roll attempts. Smaller for things like 5050s, supermans, etc.

Basically make a U.....ride out a bit....turn aorund and follow the inside of your last made line and hit the wave that is formed for that 1/2 a second. Timing is everything.

I'm still learning, changing, and tweaking mine everytime I ride until I can make one right

I have also found that the faster you can get turned around after your turn the bigger the wakes are when you get to them. It dosnt give the waves time to die down before they are hitting each other. Like Matt said its eisier said then done.

Make your wakes further apart then. The time it takes for your waves to meet and forma setup wake is determined by the width or size of your U/S/J

 

[waterfreak]

after you make your U/J turn, make sure you turn your head behind you and spot your wave. This will prepare you better into it.

 

[Speedfreak]

The time it takes for your waves to meet and forma setup wake is determined by the width or size of your U/S/J

Like he stated the size of the "U" or "J" and the distance you travel before turning around and getting back determines the size and the timing of the wave.

I don't use a setup wake myself but I am going to this year to get more heigh. Last year when I would putt around by myself that is all I would practice is setup wakes. I was talking to pancaker and he was so set on the fact that you have to get the basics down before you can do anything that you should know the setup wake and how to hit it before you even try anything else off of it.

 

[RiverRat]

One thing I found I was doing wrong was I was trying to roll w/ the wave. In other words the wave was cresting/rolling to the right and I was trying to roll it to the right. Really hurt my height. Roll off the wave. If it is cresting/rolling to the right go up and off the wave while rolling to the left. Up and off gives you the height. Practice the wakes all the time!! get them consistant then start working on stabs...then rolls ect.. It really is a progression. I am still learning myself and struggle w/ consistancy.

 

[Speedfreak]

One thing I found I was doing wrong was I was trying to roll w/ the wave. In other words the wave was cresting/rolling to the right and I was trying to roll it to the right. Really hurt my height. Roll off the wave. If it is cresting/rolling to the right go up and off the wave while rolling to the left. Up and off gives you the height. Practice the wakes all the time!! get them consistant then start working on stabs...then rolls ect.. It really is a progression. I am still learning myself and struggle w/ consistancy.

*warning thread hijack*
Talking about rolls aren't you the one I read about that looks over your right sholder if your rolling left? I read about it making you spin faster? If this is you Please explain I don't seem to understand

 

[norcal ex]

Its all about timing and what you have done to your ski. All the guys i ride with make them completly different!! we all have different riding styles.

 

[RiverRat]

*warning thread hijack*
Talking about rolls aren't you the one I read about that looks over your right sholder if your rolling left? I read about it making you spin faster? If this is you Please explain I don't seem to understand

Yeah this is a tip that really helped me and I noticed an immediate difference. Look over the oppsite shoulder when you roll. If rolling to the right look over your left. What it does is makes the ski twist into a nice clean spiral roll.

When rolling to the right: looking over your left shoulder forces the right shoulder down and the left shoulder up and around. It also gets your eyes around faster so you can spot the landing. It is very awkward at first but it works!!!! It is all about form. The end result should be a roll where the nose is pointing forward. You should land on the same line that you took off on, or close to it. I find that when you roll to the right and force your head down to the right the tail of the ski just flies and makes a large loop (observation) making you land off to the right b/c you are leaving that initail line. However when you use the other method and twist the boat the ski rotates on a axis. I am no expert and my rolls need allot of work....I have only done a handful that I have been satisfied with, but I just started trying hard this season. Plus the only rolls I have done is completly on flat water..no wake, not set up wave. I would run in a straight line pull the trim on a pre-hop on direction, pull it again to bring the nose up, crank the bars, look over the opposite shoulder and just hold on b/c I would rotate fast. I went back and forth not looking over the oppsoite shoulder and the results were night and day to me. Try it and feel it. It just feels more controlled to me.

Now go watch some Eric Malone flatwater video's :cheer: Better yet go to EME freestyle clinic. It is not overrated. Just attend with a specific trick you want to work on and a open mind.

Hope that helps......*thread hijack over* :biggrin:

 

[rebelwalker]

Yeah this is a tip that really helped me and I noticed an immediate difference. Look over the oppsite shoulder when you roll. If rolling to the right look over your left. What it does is makes the ski twist into a nice clean spiral roll.

When rolling to the right: looking over your left shoulder forces the right shoulder down and the left shoulder up and around. It also gets your eyes around faster so you can spot the landing. It is very awkward at first but it works!!!! It is all about form. The end result should be a roll where the nose is pointing forward. You should land on the same line that you took off on, or close to it. I find that when you roll to the right and force your head down to the right the tail of the ski just flies and makes a large loop (observation) making you land off to the right b/c you are leaving that initail line. However when you use the other method and twist the boat the ski rotates on a axis. I am no expert and my rolls need allot of work....I have only done a handful that I have been satisfied with, but I just started trying hard this season. Plus the only rolls I have done is completly on flat water..no wake, not set up wave. I would run in a straight line pull the trim on a pre-hop on direction, pull it again to bring the nose up, crank the bars, look over the opposite shoulder and just hold on b/c I would rotate fast. I went back and forth not looking over the oppsoite shoulder and the results were night and day to me. Try it and feel it. It just feels more controlled to me.

Now go watch some Eric Malone flatwater video's :cheer: Better yet go to EME freestyle clinic. It is not overrated. Just attend with a specific trick you want to work on and a open mind.

Hope that helps......*thread hijack over* :biggrin:

Sounds kind of like a 540 on a bmx bike on a half pipe.