Stuffed intake.

So i found this and dont know what to think of it.
I know people talk about high velocity on intake side, but this is too much at least in my opinion..
Inside surface is flat so there is at least 10mm or more epoxy in the middle

Intake came with 1100 dasa from france. Im building this and i want to grind this open.
is there any reason why i should leave it as it is.

I have build engines big and small for years now, but this is first one to me.
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I tried to find more information on the subject but I couldn't. Can you tell me if this change is any good for surf riding?
My own knowledge runs out pretty quickly regarding accelerating airflow, but it seems like a pretty air-restricting factor.
The air mixture reaches the engine faster, but does it reduce power at high revs?
that is an xscream modified boyseen
 

waxhead

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I tried to find more information on the subject but I couldn't. Can you tell me if this change is any good for surf riding?
My own knowledge runs out pretty quickly regarding accelerating airflow, but it seems like a pretty air-restricting factor.
The air mixture reaches the engine faster, but does it reduce power at high revs?
I can't provide a definitive answer regarding this specific manifold without having it in hand. However, the core principle behind optimizing intake velocity is to increase airspeed while maintaining mass flow. In high-performance applications—such as drag racing—intake systems often feature a pronounced taper, typically around a 7-degree included angle. This angle is considered ideal, as it accelerates airflow without sacrificing volume.

The concern that this might reduce top-end power is unfounded. In reality, the primary restriction in most setups is the carburetor. As long as the carb remains the most restrictive component in the system, increasing flow capacity beyond it offers no practical gain.

Many manifolds are designed with an overly large plenum area beneath the carb throat. While this may seem beneficial, it actually reduces airspeed—especially in designs that flare out toward the reed block. In a two-stroke engine, each time the piston rises and the reeds open, air must rapidly accelerate to pass through the reed block. If this has to happen repeatedly during every induction cycle, you're wasting valuable time and limiting crankcase filling efficiency.

It's all about maintaining velocity. Air should be kept moving quickly throughout the entire manifold. The ideal shape is one that functions like a one-way valve: easy for air to move forward, but resistant to reverse flow.

Why is reverse flow resistance important? When the reeds close, the high-speed air column continues moving down the manifold. This momentum helps build pressure in front of the reeds. To capitalize on this, the manifold should discourage any reverse flow. If the shape is too blended or opens outward near the reeds, it allows that pressure to dissipate—ultimately reducing performance.
 

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I say F that! :confused: Pitiful, just pitiful...
Or maybe you could leave that, get some reed stuffers in there too, plus some Outerwears for the air filters too, and she'll breath like a Champion.. hahahaaaaaa
J/K of course on the reed stuffers and Outerwears. That poor manifold, I say grind that out.
 
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waxhead

wannabe backflipper
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I say F that! :confused: Pitiful, just pitiful...
Or maybe you could leave that, get some reed stuffers in there too, plus some Outerwears for the air filters too, and she'll breath like a Champion.. hahahaaaaaa
J/K of course on the reed stuffers and Outerwears. That poor manifold, I say grind that out.
All most sent me into a spin with the stuffers and outerwears. I was warming up the kb flat out haha
 
so in practice this intake manifold could be made by yoda or luke,

without real tests it doesn't seem possible but to only rely on the fact that everyone else uses normal parts.
The only reason to widen it is really that this is different from the mass and there is too little information about it.
The only reason not to widen it is that you should trust someone else's research and experience.

What carbs,pipe,engine etc was original setup and plan to use...

i think i can already hear the sound of a grinder
 

Jr.

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I remember back when XS was playing with this, and they were using Boysene manifolds and Full Spec 48-49
Had the discussion on it. The idea was not so much in increasing charge velocity, but was directing charge into the cages
equally. The RAD valve has a center splitter. The feeling was stuffing the bowl of the manifold, would force more flow into the top portion of the cage. This was done on a freestyle boat, explosive throttle response was the goal. Not sure it really did much on the Boysene setup.
But it definitely played a part in designing the XS billet parts

my suggestion before grinding it out. Try running it! Then Grind it out. See if it actually makes an improvement?
Not difficult to set more epoxy if you find a loss.

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Myself

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Ah yes, the old..."Everybody else does it like this"...adage.......just follow the leader LOL!! Somebody put in the effort, possibly on a flow bench, try running it. I ran into the same thing when I did the 550/750 stand-up swap. Supposedly the stock 750 exhaust manifold won't fit, etc. Well, I did it.......it does fit......and it worked out great! I'm not following......I'm more......meandering around in that general direction LOL!!
 
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That epoxy job would probably be beneficial if smaller carbs were used. You want to make the carbs venturi have the least area. The butterfly needs to be larger diameter because it’s thickness and the shaft take up space and impede flow. Below the carb a very slight taper in the manifold will maximize signal to the Venturi. Almost all the freestyle stuff has come from “hot rodders” so you will find all kinds of stuff on the used market.
 
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Myself

manic mechanic
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Does anybody remember seeing the Yamaha 65u triple exhaust manifolds that were modded by drilling and adding a pipe between the 3 ports? I guess there was probably somebody that figured something out......same type of deal.
 
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