Vumad
Super Hero, with a cape!
- Location
- St. Pete, FL
Front foot hold gives the benefit of an extinguisher holder too. Staying legal is a lot less hassle.
Sliding track system vs gunwale plate-does anyone have access to a cnc machine/laser cutting?
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Front foot hold gives the benefit of an extinguisher holder too. Staying legal is a lot less hassle.
khaos
Party in a can!
- Location
- Tidewater, VA
Interested in the final results.
Zack makes a really good point. With only 4 inches off of that heavy, long hull you'll still be standing in the way back. Adjustable holds have more value for very short hulls that have a hard time planing out correctly unless you're standing in the very front of the tray so for freestyle you'd have them back and everything else you'd move them forward.
To me there is a lot of value in being able to switch out the holds for another style without breaking out the cutting wheels and epoxy. Have you thought about something like the lightweight holds?
To me there is a lot of value in being able to switch out the holds for another style without breaking out the cutting wheels and epoxy. Have you thought about something like the lightweight holds?
- Location
- lake geneva
Saw that pic of the lightweight hull and was inspired.
I'm actually drawing up a system up right now for holds like the Blowsion hull where you can move the holds forward and back. I'm going to put them in my q8 hull this winter but I'll get all the plates made before then.
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I'm actually drawing up a system up right now for holds like the Blowsion hull where you can move the holds forward and back. I'm going to put them in my q8 hull this winter but I'll get all the plates made before then.
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Very true. But for stabs and rolls I feel you want your weight more forward.
I don't really wanna do lightweight style holds due to having to severely modding my gunwales and having to paint.
- Location
- sask, canada
Do you feel like you're going to stop and adjust your holds depending on what trick you want to do?
- Location
- Jackson MI
Love the idea and drive you have for this but....it's still going to be a -4 square. Even the guys who rocker shorten all that b.s. seem to say well I like how it rides but it's a heavy shortened square. As cheap as some A.M. hulls are going I would go that route.
Hell no. Sounds like a few of you have no idea what I'm trying to accomplish. Guess I'm not getting my idea across the way I want to.
My tray is gonna be super wide, and adjustable/bracket footholds are the easiest way to go so that's why I'm considering it.. No shaping foam,etc. Otherwise I'd go for freak holds. I don't care if it's a heavy ass square. It's flickable and powerful enough for what I'm doing right now, and anything is possible in the surf...
- Location
- Oceanside, CA
I've been around. I've seen guys attempt crazy ideas like you and get so frustrated and overwhelmed that they just stop.
This accomplishes the same thing with half the BS
It's a square.... Don't get 150 hours into it.
Keep it simple.
This accomplishes the same thing with half the BS
It's a square.... Don't get 150 hours into it.
Keep it simple.
- Location
- Oceanside, CA
You also need to realize when you cut out your entire tray, your ski WILL NOT float anymore. Your taking out half it's floatation.... Ask tanner Thomas with RRP holds in his SJ that's now in davey jones locker.
Also you don't need to have your feet in different positions for different tricks.
My back foot is in a rear strap. That's my dedicated leg that never moves. Front foot hold is the poop because my front foot moves from left to right depending on which direction I'm sliding or slashing. As far as tricks, my front foot is in the same position every time.
Also you don't need to have your feet in different positions for different tricks.
My back foot is in a rear strap. That's my dedicated leg that never moves. Front foot hold is the poop because my front foot moves from left to right depending on which direction I'm sliding or slashing. As far as tricks, my front foot is in the same position every time.
Big Kahuna
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- Location
- Tuscaloosa, AL
Footholds are footholds....... Some are more comfortable than others. With Padding and turf you can make them comfortable. Honestly, I would consider looking for a RN hull instead of cutting yours up and put an XMetal or Shortened Stock SN pole on it.
- Location
- Jackson MI
Love the concept but couldn't stand a tray like that since you can't really kick in at a normal angle.
Imo I'm not too worried about lack of flotation.. Ratchet strap, no scupper, hold onto your ski, and don't do
anything crazy alone. I'm already not running that much foam in my ski.
Why? I'm running a square with a shortened Rn pole on it. Rather not waste a bunch of money switching to an Rn when I'd want to cut it up too.
Keep in mind I'm 19 and a freshman in college with a very very tight budget. I can only do so much with the amount of money I have, hence the reason I'm sportporting, etc. I've already got a very good platform and I'm gonna make the best of it. Freshly rebuilt 61x/61x, 44mm carb, b pipe, Ada girdled head with 35 cc domes/180psi, stubby cone, 9/15 hooker, work 201,-5 Rn pole with hazard bracket, old-style blowsion steering, quicksteer mod, d cut ride plate, super comfy tom21 holds with 26mm top and bottom, etc..
Like I've said multiple times, I'm not going through this work just to have adjustable holds.. With the way I'm widening my tray, adjustable/bracket footholds are just the easiest way to go.. I was not expecting to get shot down this much, all the while there are plenty of people running custom wide tray setups..
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I'm starting to consider different things, but I go back to the same idea. If you shorten your hull, aren't you partially going to want to move your stance forward?
And I definitely want a wide tray, but Imo the easiest way to do that and avoid shaping foam is the way I've mentioned and adding bracket style holds.
And I definitely want a wide tray, but Imo the easiest way to do that and avoid shaping foam is the way I've mentioned and adding bracket style holds.
It's a squarenose, stop trying to reinvent the wheel again. Sounds like you still haven't figured out a way to make the most basic setups work in your ski, for some reason that is beyond me, so now you're going to port your own engines? Why don't you save your money for a year and do it correctly. It's gonna be a hackjob otherwise.
- Location
- CT
We cnc laser and bending if you want to spend the time on a project like this. But like many have told you its not as great as the idea. You ever see the work I did on my rickter tray and holds? I more or less made the new style holds before they cam out. Tons of hours and never moved them once they were set. Aside from them coming lose.... Yes when something has moving parts it just adds to the chance of it moving...
Zack has some great to the point, blunk, d*ck comments. But he is just trying to show you that it has been tried and what has happened. Trust me when Rad Dudes are thinking about new part ideas we always have people saying "oh its been tried" "oh it doesn't work". Just take that and keep working on your idea and see if you can make what no one else has. But always know there is a point when you stop and say is this worth it?
At Daytona a few years ago looking at the Krash Hulls slide system, I said that the best thing i have ever seen. But haven't heard much else about it, because most people realize they know the stance they want and once it set, its set. adjustment is a great idea but not a real solution.
Zack has some great to the point, blunk, d*ck comments. But he is just trying to show you that it has been tried and what has happened. Trust me when Rad Dudes are thinking about new part ideas we always have people saying "oh its been tried" "oh it doesn't work". Just take that and keep working on your idea and see if you can make what no one else has. But always know there is a point when you stop and say is this worth it?
At Daytona a few years ago looking at the Krash Hulls slide system, I said that the best thing i have ever seen. But haven't heard much else about it, because most people realize they know the stance they want and once it set, its set. adjustment is a great idea but not a real solution.
My setup kicks ass in my ski, I'm just ready to make some upgrades. And no, it won't be a hack job. Why do you have zero faith in me jhucke? Yes you say it's just a square, would you say the same if it was a rn? Don't understand your point whatsoever.
Not reinventing the wheel.. Simply thinking about how I want to setup my footholds on this setup. I just like trying to be a little innovative and do my own thing as well. I like designing stuff to be better, etc. I've also thought it'd be cool to use the cad system I'm learning to design something I'll actually use in real life..
I'm not as dumb as you think I am LOL
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Don't remember telling you to put it in a round nose. Anyway, if you don't understand my point, you are definitely smart enough to sport port! I thought I spelled it out well enough... It's just a squarenose, not a freestyle machine because it's an absolute tank. No matter how many inches you cut off the damn thing, it's still a squarenose. You are modding because you have no money, so why don't you wait until you do? Seems pretty simple to me. Also, pretty sure you've said it yourself that you should have an engine build by someone reputable.. Do you consider yourself to be a reputable engine porter? What port timings are you going to run?
Oooooh this is exciting. First, read my above post since I edited it.
Did I say I was trying to make a freestyle machine? Hellllll no! I don't care if its a squarenose or a roundnose or whatever the hell it is. It's gotta last me the next 4+ years, and I'm going to do whatever the hell I can on it. The way I flick it around it doesn't really seem like a tank to me..I have no problem getting it inverted. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, I am pretty broke. But why not make the most of what I have? I've said it a million times as well, anything is possible in the surf, or off of a vwake, and a hell of a lot is possible off of a big wakeboard/wakesurf boat wake.
Yes, I would highly recommend you have your engine built by someone reputable, especially if funds allow.
Do I consider myself a reputable engine porter? Hell no I don't. But hey, Why not take it as an opportunity to learn a new skill, and at the same time learn more about how my engine benefits from a modified exhaust port? Someday I'll have the funds to have someone like Zack port my engines, but for now, I'm going to make the best outta what I have and do what I'm comfortable with...Plus learn alot. I have no idea what port timings I'm gonna run, whatsoever. But as long as you follow the sportport template and do a quality job on your grinding & chamfering, and know a thing about tuning, there's nothing but gains. Sure, maybe a little bit of shortened ring life but I could care less for the extra power.