A fiberglass unit would be a much cheaper way to make small quantities. I made a mandrel that is 92+mm for a 155 pump. It is an inch longer with shallower taper. The mount is a simple folded flat that goes around the entire part and can be bonded on wherever it needs to be. The gimbal ring is either custom or 900ZXI. This could add a lot of thrust over the OEM nozzle that many are using. Im sure the guys with $20k skis will rather have $600 billet nozzles.
Freestyle Billet reduction nozzle?
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A fiberglass unit would be a much cheaper way to make small quantities. I made a mandrel that is 92+mm for a 155 pump. It is an inch longer with shallower taper. The mount is a simple folded flat that goes around the entire part and can be bonded on wherever it needs to be. The gimbal ring is either custom or 900ZXI. This could add a lot of thrust over the OEM nozzle that many are using. Im sure the guys with $20k skis will rather have $600 billet nozzles.
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I'm all for lighter weight if possible and having a 144 set up. So many guys running 144's, but at the same time there, that crowd might not want to spend the extra dough. I would spend the dough. I'm really curious how much bottom end hit could be tuned out of a 144 pump?
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I don't have an exact answer on what can be had from properly setting up a 144 but there are bored nozzles being bought and sold all the time. The biggest part of this is to take the work out of swapping nozzles to find out what works. You can always take more off but once you go too far you can't put it back. This way that is eliminated. Also who doesn't love billet? I don't see it being much lighter than the stock cast one. Just more features.
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id take more features over lighter any day
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What bore sizes? 1mm increments? 86 to 92 would be 7 rings to buy with the nozzle. The rings would have 2 holes in them that the trim ring bolts would poke through. (a bolt turned down to a round pin at the end to lock them in place- no tiny set screws to strip out). Nozzle and rings would be anodized and need to be packed with grease or something to stave off corrosion between them. So far it looks like Brian will be making me a one off and I may need to pony up the $$ to get a few off the bat. After we work a price point I will look for a few to possibly go in with me. Prototype pics will be posted before I take any commitments.
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It looks like hydrospace nailed it...
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86 to 92 would be sweet IMO. Will there be enough meat left for the trim ring hardware to bolt down solid? Not much is left on my stocker. It's bored to 86.5
Will that work, or will the trim ring need to be altered and gain the thickness on the outside of the RN?
I'm not an engineer fo sho, so bear with me on my questions. Mainly just trying to help.
Will that work, or will the trim ring need to be altered and gain the thickness on the outside of the RN?
I'm not an engineer fo sho, so bear with me on my questions. Mainly just trying to help.
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to be fair many people say they want a billet "this or that" until its actually available on the market
a good example?
how many people are running a billet ebox?
there are both stock and MSD versions out on the market now, with countless threads prior to their availablity with people saying the would get one "for sure"
a billet reduction nozzle will be expensive and still as liable to break on a pogo
thats my opinion. . . for whats its worth which maybe less than $0.01
a good example?
how many people are running a billet ebox?
there are both stock and MSD versions out on the market now, with countless threads prior to their availablity with people saying the would get one "for sure"
a billet reduction nozzle will be expensive and still as liable to break on a pogo
thats my opinion. . . for whats its worth which maybe less than $0.01
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If its done like the above pic the reduction nozzle would be shortened back to the mounting bosses and the insert would make up for the lost length. As far as trim ring clearance, as long as it clears the sides and bottom a relief could be machined into the top to clear it. Taking the wall thickness down in one small spot on top to clear the trim ring shouldn't compromise the strength if its only done in just the required place. We could even leave a lug of material on the bottom as a trim stop for when the spring is holding it in the down position?
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I had a prototype 144mm reduction nozzle with replaceable rings made up for me with the plan of casting more out of a composite material, just haven't had a chance to do anything with it yet. I had 4 rings made up for the reduction nozzle, (84.85.86,87), and 4 for the steering nozzle,
Solas offers an adjustable system for their mag pumps and they aren't exactly flying off the shelves so I agree with the statement above about what people want versus what they are willing to actually fork out money for.
If you do bring one to market, I do believe that many will buy it just because it's billet though. :bigok:
Solas offers an adjustable system for their mag pumps and they aren't exactly flying off the shelves so I agree with the statement above about what people want versus what they are willing to actually fork out money for.
If you do bring one to market, I do believe that many will buy it just because it's billet though. :bigok:
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This is a very interesting concept i have often pondered why there mainly oem ran, i run the 144 and blowsion trim (not a fan of btw, but came with ski). i like to stick with what i know as tried and true buuuuutttttttt if enough people invest to make billet a reality, i think the more the average joe like myself might be willing to drop the cash for if the low end thrust is significant to $$$. i do like the colaberation to make it happen so quick though, big thumbs up
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Probably more money in a pump shoe that fits correctly than a nozzle. If people were really that hardcore, they would be tuning their turn nozzle to their pump nozzle, because the 2 should be in a ratio to each other. 86mm and 92mm reduction nozzles shouldn't be using the same turn nozzle in theory.
I just see an all billet reduction nozzle with tunable rings not selling. Hey, what do I know? I suck at this sport and don't have any money, someone could get rich off of the idea. I just forsee the target market being guys with more money than brains looking to buy the word billet, but not buying it because they have enough money to pay a builder to tell them what to buy, which probably will be a simple on piece nozzle bored to the size needed for the motor.
Now, just throwing it out there, if someone has time and money to develop a billet part for the pump, a pump shoe that fits correctly would probably sell pretty well. People would likely pay extra money for something billet that fits right over the ones available that are cast and need to be ground to fit. Last thing I want to do is buy a new part then immediately start cutting it because it is
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I just see an all billet reduction nozzle with tunable rings not selling. Hey, what do I know? I suck at this sport and don't have any money, someone could get rich off of the idea. I just forsee the target market being guys with more money than brains looking to buy the word billet, but not buying it because they have enough money to pay a builder to tell them what to buy, which probably will be a simple on piece nozzle bored to the size needed for the motor.
Now, just throwing it out there, if someone has time and money to develop a billet part for the pump, a pump shoe that fits correctly would probably sell pretty well. People would likely pay extra money for something billet that fits right over the ones available that are cast and need to be ground to fit. Last thing I want to do is buy a new part then immediately start cutting it because it is
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My plan was and still is, to use the modded reduction nozzle and steering setup to tune my pump setup. Once I determined which diameters gave me the result I wanted, I would then bore cheap stock nozzles to match.
Ideally I see my investment sitting on the shelf as a tuning tool to use and lend out within my group, not risk in the surf for everyday riding.
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Ideally I see my investment sitting on the shelf as a tuning tool to use and lend out within my group, not risk in the surf for everyday riding.
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Pics of the steering nozzle with 4 rings to choose from...
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Any of the reduction?
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Strangely no. The whole setup is still off awaiting anodizing so I don't even have it in my hands at this point.
I originally sent off a Sato Engineering nozzle but we decided to go with a Protec nozzle instead. Max ring dia on the reduction nozzle is 87mm and that is getting pretty damn thin. We maintained a 3mm difference between the reduction and steering nozzle sizes and they will be anodized in pairs with matching colors.
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I originally sent off a Sato Engineering nozzle but we decided to go with a Protec nozzle instead. Max ring dia on the reduction nozzle is 87mm and that is getting pretty damn thin. We maintained a 3mm difference between the reduction and steering nozzle sizes and they will be anodized in pairs with matching colors.
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This is the nozzle I bought and I got a bunch of rings. This was a couple years back already though
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In private discussions today I learned this is already in the works by another company. No sense in 2 people spending time and money to make the same thing. I'm still super excited about it and can't wait to get one in my hands.