Flatwater roll questions

[Matt_E]

ust by putting the pole on the hood puts your body in a nice tucked position

My avatar disagrees.

 

[Frosty]

Just by putting the pole on the hood puts your body in a nice tucked position.

My avatar disagrees.

I agree (with Matt)... I mean, i put my pole on the hood and yeah, i may be tucked, but I am by far not in the correct position many times. I often wind up not over the hood at all... just tucked in the tray... and I wind up doing an inverted sub. I think the pole on the hood helps, but you still need to know where your body and head should be.

 

[feartheride]

Everyone's got their favorite. Here's what works for me at this time:

I go slighly faster than just above plane, then slowly make a 80 degree or so turn (not a full 90). I speed out of the turn and turn 180 degrees about 50 feet back. By the time I get back to the turn wake, the first one is starting to subside and I hit the second one which is fairly steep at that point.
I get pretty good air on that - see my avatar.

I was doing similar to this except I kinda bunny hop onto the backside of the first wave and wasn,t cranking the bars. I still made it around completely.
I guesss it best to always crank the bars
How about the way I bunny hop onto the backside of the wave?

 

[Freestyleriverrat]

ok.........forget what I said guys :dunno: it is not the best way to do it but it does get you around enough to start understanding what else you need to change and gives you a taste of what a roll is like. Learing rolls is all about progression. Form is learned over time, but if you just get a feel for rotating the ski it will make things less of a mystery.

 

[jetskier79]

I should try one of these confangled flat water rolls you guys are talking about.

 

[WaveDemon]

ok.........forget what I said guys :dunno: it is not the best way to do it but it does get you around enough to start understanding what else you need to change and gives you a taste of what a roll is like. Learing rolls is all about progression. Form is learned over time, but if you just get a feel for rotating the ski it will make things less of a mystery.

AGREED. rolls are hard, flat water rolls are harder. I personally underestimated how much work goes into riding out of a roll much less making it look good.

 

[WaveDemon]

I should try one of these confangled flat water rolls you guys are talking about.

don't do it. it's frustrating and does't look as good as a surf roll.

 

[jetskier79]

Form is learned over time, but if you just get a feel for rotating the ski it will make things less of a mystery.

I do agree with that, for any new trick....especially ones that involve being inverted. Ross Champion once explained it to me that.....to roll, or flip....your brain needs to know that you WILL make it around. Our brains tend to get stuck in upright mode by default, and it's tough to convince you mind to make it past that upside down threshold and around to the other side again.

 

[WaveDemon]

I do agree with that, for any new trick....especially ones that involve being inverted. Ross Champion once explained it to me that.....to roll, or flip....your brain needs to know that you WILL make it around. Our brains tend to get stuck in upright mode by default, and it's tough to convince you mind to make it past that upside down threshold and around to the other side again.

I was just tring to figure that out last night on the surf stance roll. The Idea that the water/landing will be coming up from behind me seems real odd.

 

[jetskier79]

I was just tring to figure that out last night on the surf stance roll. The Idea that the water/landing will be coming up from behind me seems real odd.

I think when I get to ride again, I'll try a roll "switch" stance to see what it feels like to go backside. I think I'm more likely to pull a roll to the left riding switch than I am to pull a roll to the right riding in my standard goofy foot stance.

That would be totally weird. You'd have to kind of peer over your should to spot the water. Otherwise it would be a sky to water transition, and that would probably just totally F me up.

 

[yamaslut]

I should try one of these confangled flat water rolls you guys are talking about.

dude... trust me... it's like work and not fun......... at all

 

[Exile]

Just a thought,I go alot higher when I prejump higher be I hit my 2nd wake!? I think when ur setup wake and timing is almost perfectly planned and executed your technique just has to be snug and fast! Worry about height and no hander landers later.
Judges are so scarce anyway so if you can ride it out of the rotation id give credit...

 

[Exile]

And yes^^^^^^^what he said,no pain,no gain! or is it just pain I can`t remember from my last crash!?! was knocked out,mildly concussed,dislocated mu femur,and broke my hull...so "yes go hav fun!"

 

[wildman326]

I convinced myself that I didn't have to have speed to get this trick and practiced it for about 9 months that way. It forced me to work on all the things that I'd need later. Set-up wake, time before heading back to it, angle of turn on wake, speed of boat through turn, etc.

Then one day I started to have bigger balls and do it with more speed and wham! It started to come WAY around and fast!

Anyway, I'm still working hard on getting this one down - I've pulled off about4 flatwater rolls. I consider that to be off my own wake, and no part of my body touching the water. Not flat bottom to bottom.

Wearing a helmet really helped me to gain confidence, especially after I jacked myself in the face.

Geeks advice on this is the best. It has helped me a ton!