Freestyle Nozzle length and why?

[NVJAY775]

Last year when I had my rn I thought it was a good idea to run an extended steering nozzle from pro tec. I think it's the +50 mm? Not sure... Anyways at the time it made sense, but now I am thinking it's too long and heavy.

Not sure.. What are some of you running and why? I just want to get the most out of the ski.

Thanks for the words of wisdom fellas!
Jay

 

[kevbo]

Last year when I had my rn I thought it was a good idea to run an extended steering nozzle from pro tec. I think it's the +50 mm? Not sure... Anyways at the time it made sense, but now I am thinking it's too long and heavy.

Not sure.. What are some of you running and why? I just want to get the most out of the ski.

Thanks for the words of wisdom fellas!
Jay

Does it make the steering heavy at full power?

 

[Sanoman]

Does length really matter!?

 

[OCD Solutions]

I have an SE extended nozzle on my Matrix and have had the same questions. I ride with another Matrix and it turns on a dime compared to my mine. There are a few other adjustments that are different and we have played with some but when we discuss existing differences and what to try ext, the nozzle length does come up.

I just picked up a non trim reduction nozzle so I can go back to a normal steering nozzle and see the difference. This will completely remove my trim system as well.

What handling characteristic do you feel is attributed to the longer nozzle?

 

[Polish jet pilot]

in theory, a longer nozzle should give more leverage (just like a steering mod on the handlepole) - I tested a few skis with different nozzle setups and to be honest did not see much difference, but again in theory longer should be better LOL

 

[OCD Solutions]

I always thought the bore mattered more than the length, lol.

Anyways, I think the longer nozzle should actually help in turning, however; if you have a trim system and have adjusted the normal resting point up a couple degrees, it will plant the back of the ski more when you get on the throttle and give you traction. If a longer nozzle gives more leverage then this affect may be amplified slightly in that situation.

 

[B3IS]

Does length really matter!?

Most girls wont admit it. Size does matter.

 

[NVJAY775]

I don't have anything to compare it to. My SJ came with an extended nozzle too, so it's all I know. It seems to work just fine. I'm just curious.. The leverage makes sense though.

 

[B3IS]

Dibbs on the extended nozzle when you part with it.

 

[JetManiac]

50mm is a little long, that is designed for a raider. Most seem to cut them down to 20-30mm.

 

[sjetrider]

Shorter nozzle = faster steering (for rolls, 180's and so forth). Longer nozzle= longer hook up for (more height on jumps and backflips)
so it depends what you want. If you dont roll or do the 180 flat spins and such and just go for height or flips the longer is better IMO. Or if you ride surf mainly then longer is better.
A happy medium is what I prefer, longer than stock but not 50mm longer.

 

[Waternut]

The longer nozzle does change how the ski handles slightly. You're basically changing the point of steering. If you do the change back to back, you may notice that the ski feels like it pivots in a slightly different location. I won't say one is better than the other because IMO it's user preference just like pole length and can change depending on hull setup.

 

[sjetrider]

What holds are in this freak bro?

 

[NVJAY775]

I think I'm going to put this one on a diet then.

sjetrider These are Tem's first attempt at an adjustable hold. They are primitive, but work awesome. The funny thing is, I have them in the stock location and height too. Soooooo comfy! They just screw to the hull, but do fine and are very stout.

 

[speedysprocket]

Longer nozzle is harder to pull for trim, and more likely to break something when you land on it... That was the only difference I noticed with a ProTec nozzle.

 

[NVJAY775]

Good to hear that info. I'm going to get on the phone today and see who in the area can shorten it for me. After I give it a test ride, I'll post back.

 

[wydopen]

my old ski had a protec nozzle that was cut down super short..that ski turned extremely sharp...

more important than the length is grinding the backside of the nozzle so it you can get all the throw you can get out of a quick steer setup..i take allot off the back of it so it dosnt hit the reduction nozzle when at full steering lock..you want to grind as much as you can but if you do too much water will bypass the nozzle when at full lock..you also need to grind the side of the nozzle where it meets the tab that the steering cable mounts too so you can move the cable as close to the nozzle as possible and still have it mounted on a flat surface...it amazes me at how many people dont have their steering setup correctly..its funny that people have 10gs in parts on their skis and it still turns like a stocker..a ski with stock steering ratios are almost unrideable as far as im concerned...even if you are only into circus tricks your barrel rolls will come around allot easier if your ski turns properly..its one of the most important things you can do to a ski and the majority of the people i see overlook it..

looking at the pics of your SF i can see that you can get allot more throw out of your setup...your steering cable should be almost touching the side of the nozzle when its mounted on the tab...then you need to grind the nozzle so it doesn't hit the reduction nozzle before you hit the steering stops on the turnplate..your cable should also be as far out as possible on the turnplate as well (looks like u already have it like that)

 

[JetManiac]

my old ski had a protec nozzle that was cut down super short..that ski turned extremely sharp...

Interesting...I always thought longer nozzle equals tighter steering. Now I need to do some more testing.

BTW...what are you doing here in the land of circus boats?

 

[Matt_E]

looking at the pics of your SF i can see that you can get allot more throw out of your setup...your steering cable should be almost touching the side of the nozzle when its mounted on the tab...then you need to grind the nozzle so it doesn't hit the reduction nozzle before you hit the steering stops on the turnplate..your cable should also be as far out as possible on the turnplate as well

The limiting factor is often the throw of the steering cable (3.5 inches)
My nozzle can travel a lot further than what the cable can throw.

 

[wydopen]

BTW...what are you doing here in the land of circus boats?

offering some helpful hints like a constructive member of the jetski community!!