SXR Making your own waterbox?

Has anyone tried that?

I whant to reduse the weight and have read that the Stock SXR waterbox is heavy!

Im thinking of building a copy of the stock in carbon or fiberglass...

Whats your oppinion?
 
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dfw
Has anyone tried that?

I whant to reduse the weight and have read that the Stock SXR waterbox is heavy!

Im thinking of building a copy of the stock in carbon or fiberglass...

Whats your oppinion?

You can make a composite box very lightweight as long as it is cylindrical with spherical ends. Any flat areas will bend and break during an afterfire. I made a two chamber box out of fiberglass that was very quiet and weighed 2 lbs.
 
In a 400 pound tank like a SXR. The water box isn't the problem. Kawi over built that pig. You can grind 20 pounds to extra bond line sealer out of most of those hull.

Wamaltons makes a composit box that is unreal light for the sj. It will work in a SXR hull but that's not your biggest problem.
 

Cannibal

Tasty Human
Location
Summit Lake, WA
In a 400 pound tank like a SXR. The water box isn't the problem. Kawi over built that pig. You can grind 20 pounds to extra bond line sealer out of most of those hull.

Wamaltons makes a composit box that is unreal light for the sj. It will work in a SXR hull but that's not your biggest problem.

20lb is a bit over estimated. I took ALL of the extra glue from the bond line area in the front and rear, around the bulkhead and around the water fittings, put it all in the same box and had 11.33lbs. Every ski will be a little different, there was a HUGE glob of it up front on mine. I did not include the giant sheet of glue that held the tray to the pump tunnel. It was a crap load of glue, but I didn't consider it "extra" glue since it had a function, but my tray will be glassed to the pump tunnel when it gets put back together. That chunk was probably a couple pounds by itself.

The biggest factor in the SXR weight is how thick the hull is. The bottom hull is .58" thick on the very bottom and it was done in layers. They did like .25" of glass, then added the bed plate, battery plate, plate under the tool kit and hull inserts, then added another .25". Crazy thick. I split the top and bottom decks and my bottom deck with the bulkhead and nothing else was 74lbs...same weight as a carbon BOB with hood, hoses and fittings, ready to put together.

I'm putting an ATP box in mine, way lighter to start with, and less volume, so lighter while running and full of water as well.
 

SUPERJET-113

GASKETS FOR CHAMP BRAP!
I took ALL of the extra glue from the bond line area in the front and rear, around the bulkhead and around the water fittings, put it all in the same box and had 11.33lbs.

WOW, thats a :):):):) load. I was looking at my friends SXR and seeing all that glue in there, but didnt figure it was that much!
I believe it though. I used to work at the Kawi factory in Lincoln, NE where the skis, motorcycles, quads, & mules are made. I Welded motorcycle/quad frames there and seen the crack heads/alcoholics they hire through temp. companies to assemble the Jetskis.. So it really doesnt surprise me to see all that wasted glue.

Sometimes when we would run out of some pipe or some parts on our welding line and we had to shut down and sometimes go assemble jetskis. It doesnt take a rocket surgeon to do one little dumb job all day on that line, so they hire pretty much anybody off the street.
 
Here is one i made awhile back. Takes to long to build to profit from... fallow the guidlines withing the
factory waterbox. I made my 2 centertubes on the inside 4mm larger than oem and added bigger holes on mid wall
to release water faster, gave the box a throaty sound.
 

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I run TDR boxes.
Any idea of the weight savings of the TDR versus stock? Performance improvement?

I build a fiberglass tube 7" diameter and made three hemischerical ends. The first chamber was 70%.
What do you mean by 70%? Size, weight, etc?

Here is one i made awhile back. Takes to long to build to profit from... fallow the guidlines withing the
factory waterbox. I made my 2 centertubes on the inside 4mm larger than oem and added bigger holes on mid wall
to release water faster, gave the box a throaty sound.
Looks very nice! Any pics of the inside?

I found a few pics of the inside of waterboxes. Seems that it's a muffler and a one way flow device (air out but not water in sort of thing). I haven't removed my stock waterbox, so I don't have a good appreciation of why it's heavy. Any ideas on how to lighten it? I have a TIG and am fully capable of cutting/welding it back up. Or, I could make a new one, possibly using the stock one as a template. I'm not opposed to a deeper sound, but I don't want something obnoxiously loud.

Are these the right goals for waterbox improvements?
1. Lighter weight
2. Increased flow
3. Change in tone/sound (subjective to individual)
 

I've noticed a few things in reading up on the ATP waterbox...seems people claim it's a lot louder than stock (videos of ski's on stands don't help much, need some riding videos), and that you claim it's a HUGE savings in weight versus stock box. What is the actual savings (or rather, what's the weight of a stock SXR box)?

I do like the design and fitment...just really concerned about noise. I'm planning on drying out my waterbox a bit with other mods as well.
 

steve-uk

Manners cost nothing
Location
Barrie - ontario
drying out anywater box will increase volume, the ATP waterbox runs pretty dry so its a little louder than stock and deeper, if you add a flow valve the volume increases and to be honest its something you dont need with this box

i dont have the exact weight of a sxr water box (maybe someone will chime in) but i know its significant, plus it holds water increasing its weight and in efficiency

this waterbox was developed by one of the top racers (jordan fielder) in the uk who had seem the atp SJ waterbox and wanted the weight saving and throttle response it gave
 
Anyone have any video posted of the ATP waterbox in an SXR in the water riding? Or, has anyone run the ATP back-to-back/side-by-side with the TDR? Looking for an idea of noise level in the water...
 

Texan33

Yacht Wakes Hunter
Location
Texas
You can make a composite box very lightweight as long as it is cylindrical with spherical ends. Any flat areas will bend and break during an afterfire. I made a two chamber box out of fiberglass that was very quiet and weighed 2 lbs.

Could you make me one? :cool: I see you are from DFW area. I'm from D/FW area too but I am currently in Wichita Falls right now.

Anyone have any video posted of the ATP waterbox in an SXR in the water riding? Or, has anyone run the ATP back-to-back/side-by-side with the TDR? Looking for an idea of noise level in the water...

I was looking for an aftermarket waterbox but the last thing I want to do is pi**ing off other people. I'm deaf and I can heard the stock waterbox good enough through my deaf ears. I can't imagine how much louder the aftermarket will be. As you can see, I am asking Kevbo about his custom waterbox that is supposed to be quiet and light.
 
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dfw
Could you make me one? :cool: I see you are from DFW area. I'm from D/FW area too but I am currently in Wichita Falls right now.



I was looking for an aftermarket waterbox but the last thing I want to do is pi**ing off other people. I'm deaf and I can heard the stock waterbox good enough through my deaf ears. I can't imagine how much louder the aftermarket will be. As you can see, I am asking Kevbo about his custom waterbox that is supposed to be quiet and light.

The one I made was a time consuming experiment that worked very well. Next time I'll just adapt an old Seadoo box.
 
Stock water box is 7lbs on a bathroom scale. I'm planning on making a new lighter one out of alum. My goal is a few lbs lighter, smaller and retains less water. Copying an older x metal box
 
You may want to do a little reading before making a box. And I'm not sure what x-metal one pure looking at but I have never seen one that would be worth copying.
 

TimotaLT

Lake Rat
Location
Lake Travis, TX
You may want to do a little reading before making a box. And I'm not sure what x-metal one pure looking at but I have never seen one that would be worth copying.

I have an x-metal water box and is probably the most simple and easy thing to reproduce, if someone can't copy that they need to give it up, no research required
 
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