Lamey vs 66E

waxhead

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the disadvantage of the of the 62t is the cylinders are to close to together
this means that you run out of transfer room and cant go for a bigger bore
 
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Freestyleriverrat

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well the piston speed on a stroker is less
so i would tend to disagree with that
most built up 800 have bb sleeves in them and that the same material as a stroker

so its just like a 10mm stroker

I agree but do not forget torque values :sneaky: :woot: That is what makes a good freestyle boat and that is really what you can feel/use for power tricks. Increasing stroke will make more power but it also makes the nice increase in torque.

Superramjet has stated that it is not really worth the swap unless you do a BB on the gp800. 927cc :bigeyes:
 
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waxhead

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i cant argue with that and i think the torque is the great thing about them
I am just making the point for people that think they can rev the crap out of them all day every day
that would be people like myself
my ski get pinned all the time as i am going out to the surf
 
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Freestyleriverrat

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I have heard that the motor REV's fast as well. That is one thing I liked about Maloes 1000cc ski. It had all that torque and hp anytime you wanted it. The hit was instant and BIG!!! :hail: And talk about fast.......baddest boat I have ever been on. And the design is very similar to the bb gp800 motor as far as size, stroke, bore and all line routing set up.

But he is not selling just the motor, unless you want to buy his whole package for 29k for the 800cc or 39k for the 1000cc the only other way you can make that kind of power is through a gp platform. You could build a 1200cc waterdawg motor for about what it would cost to do a Lamey stroker. I estimate 5-6k w/o pipe............but I have heard that it is to much to handle.
 
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well the piston speed on a stroker is less
so i would tend to disagree with that
most built up 800 have bb sleeves in them and that the same material as a stroker

so its just like a 10mm stroker
HEY WAX ! when comparing 2 engs side by side , at the same rpm, if one is stroked and the other is not stroked , the piston speed will be faster on a stroked eng!! it travels farther during the same rpm !!!! hense, more heat ! unless you are thinking of something different altogeather ? so: stroked =faster p.s. non-stroked = slower p.s. for the same rpm ! its just a fact ..... not that it really matters to me in every day life !:biggthumpup:
 

waxhead

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gold coast
The length of the stroke and the rpm is what determines the piston speed
if a 62t has a 8mm stroker crank then its 76mm
a 66e is a 78mm stroke so there for the piston speed is higher than a stroker
 
The length of the stroke and the rpm is what determines the piston speed
if a 62t has a 8mm stroker crank then its 76mm
a 66e is a 78mm stroke so there for the piston speed is higher than a stroker
Originally Posted by waxhead
well the piston speed on a stroker is less
so i would tend to disagree with that
most built up 800 have bb sleeves in them and that the same material as a stroker

so its just like a 10mm stroker

i agree , i just comprehended what you said incorrectly ! i was talking 2 identical engs . stroke faster non stroke slower .
 
We have both, a full SS win piped 800 with total loss and a 6mm stroker flat top total loss'd Lamey PV. Both make a ton of power, both built by TJ. But, to be honest, the Lamey makes more abrupt power. The 800 has a roll on roll off type of power. The Lamey hits like a sledge hammer. It takes a lot more than just throwing a cylinder and a stroker crank in a set of 62T cases to make one run right.

As for weight, the 800 motor weigths about 10 lbs less than a GP1200 motor, and it is A LOT heavier than a Lamey 62T. I can pick up the Lamey and throw it around like nothing, but that 800 motor is a beast to carry around.

Scott
 

WaveDemon

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what is the best/cheapest whay to get a 66e? I'm guessing from a complete ski that is a little older. a gp800 or an xl800. anything else come with a 66e?

what should be done to a 66e to make it a good platform for a superjet other than getting it to fit in there?
 
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what is the best/cheapest whay to get a 66e? I guessing from a complete ski that is a little older. a gp800 or an xl800. anything else come with a 66e?

what should be done to a 66e to make it a good platform for a superjet other than getting it to fit in there?
wave : the cheapest way i believe is to do what i did and that was to buy a used ski ! sell off what you dont need that way you have every screw you will ever need in the modification .......... as far as what are great mods to do , well im still searching , every body likes their own platform the best and they are in it to make money so theirs is the best !!! we just have to sift through it ! let me know when you find out !
 
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WaveDemon

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yes it is !! if you can spare the change do it , i sold my hull to some guy that crashed his 1200 , i got 500 for my nice hull with no pump or steering or controll cables on it ! fyi HOWEVER IT MAY BE A SALT WATER MACHINE ????? CAREFUL

another one will come along. I'd rather fund the purchace with the sale of some of my current stuff anyway.
 
We have both, a full SS win piped 800 with total loss and a 6mm stroker flat top total loss'd Lamey PV. Both make a ton of power, both built by TJ. But, to be honest, the Lamey makes more abrupt power. The 800 has a roll on roll off type of power. The Lamey hits like a sledge hammer. It takes a lot more than just throwing a cylinder and a stroker crank in a set of 62T cases to make one run right.

As for weight, the 800 motor weigths about 10 lbs less than a GP1200 motor, and it is A LOT heavier than a Lamey 62T. I can pick up the Lamey and throw it around like nothing, but that 800 motor is a beast to carry around.

Scott
while a superstock 800cc 66e may hang with a lamey, a big bore 66e will kill any lamey, The comparison is being made with the small 80mm piston setup (to stay legal for your racing class) to a fully built 62t, stroked, aftermarket cylinder, head, larger piston, etc. The 66e platform is far superior, you are comparing a fully maxed out 62t platform to an almost stock 66e platform. You are also comparing 2 different ski with quite a difference in weight at least 100lbs if both hulls are stock. The 66e motor can go 87,88mm, with different cylinders you can run 98mm (1200cc) on the 66e platform, this isn't even factoring in that you can stroke the 66e also. I've ridden a couple of the best freestyle set up lameys. My 66e is better. I"m not even running the good stuff either.

Jeff weighed his 5mm pv lamey complete with, carbs, arrestors, complete pipe and complete electric and his new 1200cc, 66e motor (twin not the triple), setup like it goes in the standup, with complete electric, pipe, carbs and it was 15lbs heavier. Not enough to matter from the power it produces.

if you build a 66e motor to the level you built a lamey setup, you will make more power everywhere. the 62t platform is maxed out the, while the 66e is just getting started.
I want someone to tell me their lamey is making more horsepower, torque, brap, than this:
1200cc of lamey stomping power
 

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