jetting

shepster

Living the dream!
Hi,mate has a 2004 superjet and need some jetting advice,
Mods are: Factory mod pipe, stock carbs, ADA head 185psi, V force reeds, solas 12-17, riva filters. current jetting is 2.0needle and dull silver spring, 75 pilot and 140 main. Do these sound about right as it seems to load up after a low speed run and takes ages to clear.

Cheers
James
 
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SUPERTUNE

Race Gas Rules
Location
Clearwater Fl.
Sounds like the pop-off is too low...or main jet is too rich.
Try using the gold 115 gr. spring or put the stock main jets back in. (130's)
Try one or the other, but not both at the same time.
 

550 SLUT

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Hi,mate has a 2004 superjet and need some jetting advice,
Mods are: Factory mod pipe, stock carbs, ADA head 185psi, V force reeds, solas 12-17, riva filters. current jetting is 2.0needle and dull silver spring, 75 pilot and 140 main. Do these sound about right as it seems to load up after a low speed run and takes ages to clear.

Cheers
James


u have 25 psi for pop off right now

here u go read this
http://www.mikuni.com/pdf/sbn_manual.pdf
 

Matt_E

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Why are you running 2.0 N&S? Stock on that motor is 1.5.
I ran that combo you describe at 1.5 N&S, 95g spring, 75 pilot, 135 main very successfully. (May have been 130 main)
 

shepster

Living the dream!
Hi, using 2.0 needle because it was supplied to him with the pipe from Wamiltons. Do you think it will be ok ? Im gonna try tonight with a gold spring 32 psi and see what happens, mabe end up dropping back to a 1.5.

James
 

Matt_E

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I am no expert - I honestly don't know why anyone would want to use a 2.0 N&S instead the stocker 1.5's. Factory pipe recommends 95g springs with 1.5N&S. In my (limited) experience, that runs fine.
Going to 95g springs and 2.0's lowers the popoff - I wouldn't do that on 38's and stock arrestors.
Again, just my experience.
Additionally, I think that 75 pilots and 140 mains sounds awfully big, especially considering the low popoff.
Factory pipe recommends stock pilots and mains (70/130).
Again, if it was me, I'd go for 1.5 N&S, 95g springs, 75p, 132.5m, and tune from there. I think you'll end up right around 72.5p and 130m. I think those reeds require a bit richer jetting on the bottom?

Here's what I'd do: Put the setup together as described.
Put the boat in the water, have the engine idle against the dock. Adjust both low speed adjusters until you obtain the highest, smoothest idle. Adjust your idle screw to where you want the idle to be RPM-wise.
The take it for a ride and see how it reacts right off idle. Hesitation = lower the popoff (I think you'll be fine here)
Go 1/4 throttle for a minute, then pin it. If you got hesitation, up the pilot. If it loads up or is throaty and rich sounding, lower the pilots.
If you do change the pilots, you need to redo the low speed adjust procedure.
For the high speed jets, and high speed adjusters, follow the procedure outlined in the Mikuni manual.
(Actually, what I wrote is in there, too, but I am running out of ambition typing this up)
 
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douglee25

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South Jersey
I am no expert - I honestly don't know why anyone would want to use a 2.0 N&S instead the stocker 1.5's. Factory pipe recommends 95g springs with 1.5N&S. In my (limited) experience, that runs fine.
Going to 95g springs and 2.0's lowers the popoff - I wouldn't do that on 38's and stock arrestors.
Again, just my experience.
Additionally, I think that 75 pilots and 140 mains sounds awfully big, especially considering the low popoff.
Factory pipe recommends stock pilots and mains (70/130).
Again, if it was me, I'd go for 1.5 N&S, 95g springs, 75p, 132.5m, and tune from there. I think you'll end up right around 72.5p and 130m. I think those reeds require a bit richer jetting on the bottom?

Here's what I'd do: Put the setup together as described.
Put the boat in the water, have the engine idle against the dock. Adjust both low speed adjusters until you obtain the highest, smoothest idle. Adjust your idle screw to where you want the idle to be RPM-wise.
The take it for a ride and see how it reacts right off idle. Hesitation = lower the popoff (I think you'll be fine here)
Go 1/4 throttle for a minute, then pin it. If you got hesitation, up the pilot. If it loads up or is throaty and rich sounding, lower the pilots.
If you do change the pilots, you need to redo the low speed adjust procedure.
For the high speed jets, and high speed adjusters, follow the procedure outlined in the Mikuni manual.
(Actually, what I wrote is in there, too, but I am running out of ambition typing this up)

I'll tell you what. My biggest problem at times is telling whether an engine is loading up (rich) or bogging out (lean). I have a similar problem right now with jetting. I have 150 high, 120 low, 2.0 n+s, 95gram spring, riva red, ported, yada, yada. The thing runs great on the high end, throttle is clean from 1/4 to high, etc. The ski just lacks a little low end punch that I'm used to on other skis. It's tolerable and completely rideable though. I ordered a 115 spring and I believe I have the others 80, 65.

I'm thinking the pop off is too low and the 115 should take care of it. On another note, I always have to cycle the throttle back and forth when starting in the water to get it to fire (should mean too rich and cycling throttle introduces more air to start). It will never fire right off the bat in the water. On the trailer is a different story. Pop off too low?

Doug
 

Matt_E

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If it's hard to start, I would look at your low speed adjusters. See my post above for that.
Additionally, if the low speed adjusters are not right, the throttle response will suffer.

The difference between a lean hesitation and a rich condition is subtle.
Here is how I tell them apart....a lean hesitation is a clean "stumble" that is very short and picks right back up. (Unless it's majorly lean, in which case it takes longer or never picks up at all)

A rich condition makes it bog, while the engine kind of stutters and sounds very throaty. It takes a while to clear out.

This is all in my limited experience. Maybe one of the site pros can jump in here.
 

ski4

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cleveland
just my 2 cents, when changing my popoff back to stock it alowed my ski to start much easier. my set up is much the same as yours.

115 gm springs, 1.5 n/s 75 pilot
 
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