Flatwater roll questions

[SkiDaddy]

I've searched but didn't find the answers so here goes:

How much water depth is safe for a beginner?

My bond line is reinforced; everything else on the hull is stock (2000 RN). Will this be OK for flatwater?

Where can I find the best vids for a beginner to watch?

Thanks.

 

[FLY6584]

I've searched but didn't find the answers so here goes:

How much water depth is safe for a beginner?

My bond line is reinforced; everything else on the hull is stock (2000 RN). Will this be OK for flatwater?

Where can I find the best vids for a beginner to watch?

Thanks.

I was wondering the same thing.

I don't have any reinforcement yet and I was wondering if I would be ok. :dunno:

 

[Big Kahuna]

I would stick with deep water, if you dont make the rotation and knife in, you risk nose damage, I had this happen last year in PC when setup wave collapsed, stuck the nose in 3' of water.............

 

[danjrowan]

my ski is ok and it has been rolled loads of times by the current world am champ. lol
there is no damage but i will get it done.
once you get close and start coming down hard... get it done

 

[WaveDemon]

chest deep should be deep enough to keep you from hurting yourself. You'll probably touch bottom if you start doing inverted subs by mistake.

 

[Matt_E]

and remember to keep ur speed up. the faster you go.. the deeper you go.. right or wrong landing pattern!!!!!!
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Interesting you say that. I feel the need to fairly fast when doing my roll attemps.

 

[FLY6584]

I was hoping to learn a barrel roll over thanksgiving break if we got a little "bump" in the gulf, but everything is either shore break or very shallow breaks. I guess thats not the best place to learn then.

Maybe I should practice on some yachts cruising in the deep channels first.

 

[SkiDaddy]

and remember to keep ur speed up. the faster you go.. the deeper you go.. right or wrong landing pattern!!!!!!

I plan on having at least 6' of water. No desire to get squashed or bust up the ski.:aargh4:

I'm thinking maybe slower at first.:cheer:

When you're right at the setup wake, should you be at like 1/4 throttle or what? I seem to remember watching WaterFreak do a roll in the bay at Sebby at just on plane...

 

[FLY6584]

Interesting you say that. I feel the need to fairly fast when doing my roll attemps.

im not following saki. at first he said make sure you keep your speed up then he said the faster you go the deeper you go.

i guess he is making the point that to do a barrel roll you need to have speed therefore you need deep water. :dunno:

 

[SkiDaddy]

Oops, peeps posted faster than I did! I'm on just a ported 701, so maybe 1/8 throttle?

 

[FLY6584]

if you get your setups wake down pat and you can time it /set it up where you have a NICE trough, speed is not so critical as technique/timing.

however, its a lot harder to get your wave/timing right (that comes with practice/experience) than it is to just throw a little more speed/HP at your BR's.

just some .02 to consider.

I know when I have been practicing stabs that the faster I go the harder it is to hit the setup wake just right. If you go to fast you will hit the first wake and skip right over the setup wake. Am I hitting the right wake?

 

[WaveDemon]

you can't do a slow flatwater BR without lots of power.

you also can't learn to BR over thanks giving break.

I up for riding the gulf over thanksgiving though! you never know we might get another swell.

 

[FLY6584]

pay attention.

the faster you go.. *if* you nose in or face auger.. the more momentum/inertia youre gonna have... hence.. you will go deeper into the water since youre carrying more speed

9 out of your 10 barrel rolls when youre learning will be broncos/invert subs usually.

get it?

thats what I said. i was just pointing out that going faster will make barrel rolls easier like you said, but it will also cause you to go deeper on failed attempts hence the reason for deeper water when you are learning rolls and using faster speeds.

 

[Matt_E]

I find that the right setup wake and proper timing are key. If you don't get that right, you can't roll.

 

[Ollie Rastabean]

Wear a helmet.!!

-O

 

[SkiDaddy]

Care to share your setup wake technique?:sneaky:

 

[FL-cracker]

you either come into your set up wake with some good speed

OR

you spend $6,000++ on a storker/limey/powderpuff/whatever.

you decide. :smile:

From what I am hereing my flattop non stroker motor is the low budget alternative. :Banane01: I will do a full write up in a thread with the ski I am creating, how well it works.....and some Vid of course!!!!! I am hoping for impressive results.....I am gona wait to post anything untill the ski is done so its not one of those read through 10 pages of BS to fallow what I have done. :sneaky: Also so all the hatters dont stop me from trying something new:bigeyes:

I will definetly need some 1st hand feed back from you Edwin as well as Nick. :biggthumpup:

I am shooting for 270lb "oem hull complete boat" and I realy think I can make it happen!!!!! Things just keep looking better!

 

[Matt_E]

Care to share your setup wake technique?:sneaky:

Everyone's got their favorite. Here's what works for me at this time:

I go slighly faster than just above plane, then slowly make a 80 degree or so turn (not a full 90). I speed out of the turn and turn 180 degrees about 50 feet back. By the time I get back to the turn wake, the first one is starting to subside and I hit the second one which is fairly steep at that point.
I get pretty good air on that - see my avatar.

 

[FL-cracker]

oh, i get it. ouch! :frown:

Come on now....you know it ant like that!:haha:

 

[FL-cracker]

you sir, are now on the same page as myself. :smile:

again, none of this info is 'absolute'.. more of just 'generalizations'

i'm sure guys like pat bogart, malone, stoyer, lee stone, ..etc. can still slow, flatwater roll , on a stock sj, with 12 bags of 80lb concrete strapped to the hull... lee stone could probably do it with 15 bags of 80lbs concrete strapped to the hull! :hail:

I know you are kinda kidding but to put weight in perspective I would like to see what kind of roles they could pull on a bone stock SXR! I bet there would be no height at all.