5mm x 85mm 828 stroker motor. Need help!

[kawirydr44]

So i just pretty spent every last dime ive got (some I'm still working on)on a motor. Was looking for around 1600... and landed up spending 2000+shipping so i used up my "carb money" but I got a great deal the guy seems super cool and is gunna put a fresh topend and hone in for me before senting it. The motor is 5mm stroker with bigbore sleeves at 85mm with freestyle port by DASA and a wammer head running 200#. The cases have minor porting and are NOT epoxied.

So im super stoked bout this motor but i still need to figure out what kind of carb setup i can run. What is the cheapest (aka prob the smallest) setup i saftly run with this motor... i know i will be loosing performance but i just dont have the cash to throw down on some nice carbs right now. so would i be able to get away with running 44s? can i run a single? let me know what you guys think since I learned soo much from everyone on my last thread. Thanks

ill be running a dry pipe type-9 , msd enhancer w/ TBM flywheel and always 110 racefuel

 

[SUPERTUNE]

At a minimum you want a set of 44mm aftermarket carbs, you could go with a Full Spec 49 or a Novi 48 on a single manifold, but you'll give away power...
P.S.
Ditch the dry pipe and go with a 'B' pipe when running a Enhancer CDI, unless you want to upgrade to a MSD-TL or a new programmable CDI (Flame-TL / E.P.I.C.) from Chris @ Air Time Products.

 

[customride0105]

http://www.x-h2o.com/threads/74509
sounds like a supper deal rite here... im sure supertune can tell you more about them lol

 

[kawirydr44]

Thanks guys but may I ask why a b pipe. I was gunna switch I've a few months ago but then everyone that knows me and skinhas talked me out of it saying my setup was one of the strongest hittin 701s... I've yet to ride a ski with a b pipe that feels better to me then my type-9. Why is it better to run that pipe with a differenct ignition? The popwer just feels sooo clean and crisp with the drypipe..

 

[sjetrider]

Thanks guys but may I ask why a b pipe. I was gunna switch I've a few months ago but then everyone that knows me and skinhas talked me out of it saying my setup was one of the strongest hittin 701s... I've yet to ride a ski with a b pipe that feels better to me then my type-9. Why is it better to run that pipe with a differenct ignition? The popwer just feels sooo clean and crisp with the drypipe..

to each his own. For Freestyle I recomend a B-pipe due to both durability and reliability. Tricky gets incredible power from bottom out of the dry pipes as well and when tuned propperly I think they are better all arround power wise. Just HATE the lord mount and coupler set ups myself. I will sacrafice a lil power for durability in this case. Been there done that. I agree the dry pipe makes better and more crisp power on alot of set ups. The motor you just bought hit NICE with a B-pipe and a set of 49 FS with T/L. I know that. Serious BRAP.

 

[kawirydr44]

thanks sjetrider, yeah a few of the guys at theskiclinic used to run type-9s and they all loved them but they all switched to b-pipes just becuase of the hassle it is to run the dry pipe and they said they were blowing a lot of couplers. i havent had this problem yet but have only had a small 701. and i dont mind moving the motor forward everytime i need to pull my pipe or head but dont get me wrong im not saying i dont like b pipes at ALL, i had actually pretty much had myself convinced itd be a better pipe but once i got back to thinkin on the skis ive rode.. im not sure. i just reallly like how crisp the dry pipe is.
i understand a b pipe might be the best setup for this motor but rather then selling my pipe now, shouldnt i just wait till i recieve the motor, try the dry pipe... and then try a b pipe... i just would hate to get that b-pipe and think "damnit i wish i had that type-9 on this motor"

Will it hurt the motor at all to run the dry pipe? And im still trying to figure out WHY THE IGNITION??

 

[masterblaster]

the enhancer ign doesnt have the capability of ign retard the dry pipe takes to get it to hit good off bottom and still be safe up top.the bpipe will work ok with the enhancer,still not as good as advent or epic

 

[kevbo]

A programable T/L ignition just adds to that "crisp" feel that you you think your dry pipe provides.

 

[kawirydr44]

Ok I see the reason for ignition. Is it still safe to try my setup? I've just heard t/l is pain and you always have to maintain it and stuff just goess out... I don't have a lot of money so I'm kinda trying to make due with what I got :/

 

[Matt_E]

If you're on a budget, then TL is not for you.
Properly installed, it is not a pain.

 

[kawirydr44]

If b pipes are soo good for freestyle why do
all the Top pros ride dry pipes.....:ugh:

 

[Big Kahuna]

Until they started using 1000cc motors, they did not use dry pipes. With the larger motors they are utilizing power from more into the mid range and are needing the harder hit and sustained power.

You have had one of the best builders give you some advice. Why not listen to what he has to say.

 

[wsuwrhr]

More or less yes, exactly.

Until they started using 1000cc motors, they did not use dry pipes. With the larger motors they are utilizing power from more into the mid range and are needing the harder hit and sustained power.

 

[Big Kahuna]

Let me revise. Most did not use drypipes.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Let me revise. Most did not use drypipes.

Either have their intended applications.

 

[kawirydr44]

Until they started using 1000cc motors, they did not use dry pipes. With the larger motors they are utilizing power from more into the mid range and are needing the harder hit and sustained power.

You have had one of the best builders give you some advice. Why not listen to what he has to say.

yeah i deff am listenin to everyones advice! but my cousin is buying a bigbore 85.5mm flattop motor with cylinder all done by lamey. i guess the guy is really close with dasa and told my cousin that he would gain almost 20 more hp by runnin a nice dry pipe..... so this has me allll confused!
My cousin has a limited b pipe (its the longer chamber) and he'd be super willing to trade for my type-9 now after what this guy told him, he called me up today wanting to trade. so i can get a B-pipe no prob... just still trying to figure out if i should

 

[kevbo]

If b pipes are soo good for freestyle why do
all the Top pros ride dry pipes.....:ugh:

Its not about being wet or dry, its all about tuned length. An "B" pipe works at lower rpm than any common dry pipe. Smaller engines get especially sluggish with short pipes. The pros use big engines with custom pipes.

 

[2XLR8]

If b pipes are soo good for freestyle why do
all the Top pros ride dry pipes.....:ugh:

They also dont have a 2000.00 budget.

 

[kawirydr44]

Its not about being wet or dry, its all about tuned length. An "B" pipe works at lower rpm than any common dry pipe. Smaller engines get especially sluggish with short pipes. The pros use big engines with custom pipes.

so people are simply saying the b pipe is better low end that's the only reason I should switch, better freestyle setup? If so I guess that'll somewhat depend on ridin style. If one rides a little higher rpm during his run a dry pipe could benifit such a rider... Correct? Or am I still missin the point

 

[2XLR8]

I would run the same pipe you were running before, this way you can compare the engines only and not bring a new factor into the equation. It is always wise not to change too many things at once.