need electrical help

[DAG]

ok took of teh cover, and it would turn to the Right (Clockwise) almost a full turn and stick and to the left (counter CW) and it would turn about teh same and stick.

when it was all the way to teh left and right i hit the starter hopeing momentum would help it out but no luck...


is it suposted to turn all the way around freely?

 

[32vickie]

OK now lets look at the first post carefully:cool2:
"not shure what happened to make the ski just die, i let my friend take it out and 20mins later he's swimming it back in... but deff sould like a short in the start/stop.?????" :banghead:
Motor is probably full of water. Take the spark plugs out of the motor and push the start button.

 

[Matt_E]

ok took of teh cover, and it would turn to the Right (Clockwise) almost a full turn and stick and to the left (counter CW) and it would turn about teh same and stick.

when it was all the way to teh left and right i hit the starter hopeing momentum would help it out but no luck...


is it suposted to turn all the way around freely?

Did you take out the spark plugs?!?

 

[DAG]

yes i took the plugs out...
and they were dry

 

[Matt_E]

Okay...if you cannot rotate the engine over by hand in the manner described, something is afoot.

Take the pump out next, and try to turn it over without the pump.

 

[meatball]

I second the water scenario, try turning it over with the plugs out. And look at your pump and mabye take that out too.

EDIT: I meant hit the starter button. Could of been hydrolocked before. If it was, the reason its not turning over now could be a bent rod as a result of water ingestion, or the pump is locked-I'd hope for the pump

 

[Matt_E]

yes i took the plugs out...
and they were dry

The plugs were out.

 

[sflsurfrider]

you dont need to pull the pump to see whats at fault.

turn the coupler till the engine or pump binds up.

then 'wiggle', on a horizontal axis, both the engine coupler, then the pump coupler, and see which is bound and which is free since there 'should' be a little play between the couplers.

and, oh yeah.... did you make sure theres not a rope caught up in your pump?

 

[Matt_E]

:haha: You never know what the guy in front of you bunny-hopped over.

 

[sflsurfrider]

:haha: You never know what the guy in front of you bunny-hopped over.

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

right on time!:haha:

 

[Matt_E]

:biggthumpup: :sneaky:

 

[DAG]

you dont need to pull the pump to see whats at fault.

turn the coupler till the engine or pump binds up. gessing Counter clock wise????

then 'wiggle', on a horizontal axis, both the engine coupler, then the pump coupler, and see which is bound and which is free since there 'should' be a little play between the couplers. am i trying to dissengage teh pump shaft from the coupler?? what am i trying to prove here?

and, oh yeah.... did you make sure theres not a rope caught up in your pump?

first thing i checked was a rope

I second the water scenario, try turning it over with the plugs out. And look at your pump and mabye take that out too.

EDIT: I meant hit the starter button. Could of been hydrolocked before. If it was, the reason its not turning over now could be a bent rod as a result of water ingestion, or the pump is locked-I'd hope for the pump

I'v tryed both turning it over by hand and with the starter with the plugs out

Okay...if you cannot rotate the engine over by hand in the manner described, something is afoot.

Take the pump out next, and try to turn it over without the pump.

:bigeyes: :bigeyes: what all is required to take the pump out.. never even looked into the pump houseing?:cool2:



PS: thought the red would take the edge off

 

[sflsurfrider]

turn the coupler till the engine or pump binds up.

gessing Counter clock wise????

either way, just turn till it locks.

am i trying to dissengage teh pump shaft from the coupler?? what am i trying to prove here?

i dont know how much simpler i can word it. just read it again......

'wiggle', on a horizontal axis, both the engine coupler, then the pump coupler, and see which is bound and which is free since there 'should' be a little play between the couplers.

 

[DAG]

ok went out and checked this morning, binded the coupler all the way to the left. i tryed to move only teh pump pushing and pulling whith the little i could grap onto and dident look like much changed.. did the same thie the engine except i could only grab and wiggle with my fingertips.. so not shure if i was using enouf force, but i did all i could do...

i wound it back up so it set freely and hit the starter agen to bind it.
grabed a flathead driver and used it as a lever, watching both the engine shaft and pump. and it appeared the pump shaft was more freely than the engine...

i checked the prop agen more closley for a rope/stick or someone fingers he may haev ran over... and found nothing.. i stuck my hand up there and the prob spun freely in both directions w/o turning the pump shaft??? thought this was odd... is it normal?

i tryed taking off the intakegrate/rideplate to take a look at the pump... the guy that owned it beforeme must haev used green loctight of thoses allen screws... i couldend get them to budge, i was even hitting the end of the allen with a hammer... and yes i was turning them to the left (coiunter clock wise)...

 

[Matt_E]

If your impeller is turning without the shaft turning, it's time to take the pump off.
Just look at the back. Two 14mm bolts that bolt the pump to the hull, and four long 10mm bolts that hold the pump together.
Pull all those, and both hoseclamps, then pull the pump out.
You might have to remove the two 14mm bolts that hold the wear ring to the hull, as well.

 

[sflsurfrider]

the prop should not spin freely on the shaft.

 

[Matt_E]

the prop should not spin freely on the shaft.

Really? :clown:

 

[michaelart]

Definitely not normal for prop to spin both ways............possible drive shaft breakage.......... or splines completely gone on midshaft assembly.....or prop has completely come loose which is unlikely since a loose prop would hit the sides of the wear ring and cause a lot of noise etc......if you are not comfortable with your "wiggle" attempts....then you need to investigate further.......you could undo the motor from the motor mounts and slide the motor forward far enough to separate the couplers for a clear shot of turning each......good luck....

 

[sflsurfrider]

also, i wouldnt recommend turning the engine all the way one direction then hitting the starter to let it spool up 7/8 of a turn then lock up again. thats a good way to bust a hole through the crank case if your rod is f'ed up.

 

[DAG]

yeah i'm glad i said something, thought it was odd... i knew they had to move together to make any type power,,, made me think if the prop suposted to spin freely there was sometype of sping clutch in the prop than engaged different tork levels at different rpms... but saw nothing lke that in the pumps exploded view

i'll see what i can find... be back at 2