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Has anyone use another brand of epoxy resin other than westsystems?ive been doing some reading about epoxy called systemthree anyone have any feedback or another called MAS epoxies,Any feed back on that its gonna be used for reinforcing
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tor*p*do

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I ordered the USComposites.com stuff off the web.
Good product, fast shipping and fair freight.
I give them a :biggthumpup:
 

Matt_E

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I use epoxy that "Orion's Pyramid" on Ebay sells. It's Dow Corning epoxy, works great.

I had a lengthy discussion about epoxies with the guy from Fiberlay, over a few Tequilas. :)
Basically, he stated that for our purposes, it doesn't matter what brand of epoxy resin you use. Once you get into aeronautical applications, it matters, but not for what we do.
Additionally, there are only about 3 big manufacturers of epoxy resin world-wide. So, no matter what brand you buy, it's one of those three.
Since hearing that, I feel a lot better about using the cheap stuff (50 bucks for 1 gal epoxy + 0.25 gal hardener).
I have used West System epoxy before, too. There was virtually no difference, except that the cheap stuff cures yellow - due to the hardener.
 

Mile9c1

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I always use the UScomposites stuff, it seems way cheaper than West Systems. I don't know the best place to buy WS, but at my local boating store it costs an arm and a leg.
 

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I use epoxy that "Orion's Pyramid" on Ebay sells. It's Dow Corning epoxy, works great.

I had a lengthy discussion about epoxies with the guy from Fiberlay, over a few Tequilas. :)
Basically, he stated that for our purposes, it doesn't matter what brand of epoxy resin you use. Once you get into aeronautical applications, it matters, but not for what we do.
Additionally, there are only about 3 big manufacturers of epoxy resin world-wide. So, no matter what brand you buy, it's one of those three.
Since hearing that, I feel a lot better about using the cheap stuff (50 bucks for 1 gal epoxy + 0.25 gal hardener).
I have used West System epoxy before, too. There was virtually no difference, except that the cheap stuff cures yellow - due to the hardener.



Same here...I have had no problems with this stuff......good price and the guy gets it out right away.
 

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there stuff was way cheaper then WS... worked great for me too.. then again im no pro... but im happy with it and i like a bargin!
 
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i found them 3 manufactures in a jamestown distrubuitors in RI ive used westsystems before.im not doing it because its the cheap route doing it because i was hoping to have it by fri and the only place i can do that is the mohogany company in nj the price is equal to westsystems so should be close quality
 

meatball

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MAS is great stuff, the fast hardner has a hard amine blush, not as much as West Systems, but for reinforcing, your laying up all at one time, so blush is really not a big deal. Between MAS and West I'd say you cant go wrong. I have a wholesaler I get it at because I am a 'business owner' (produced a 'business card' BTW, its the same way at Advance Auto!!), so West is pretty good priced for me, about 60 give or take bucks for a gallon of resin and the appropriate ratio quantity of fast hardener.

I bought MAS once because it was on sale, and I have no complaints about it either. Has the same pump systems as West, which really speeds up mixing and make things foolproof. If you can get it much cheaper (10 bucks in poor land) then West, I'd get that.

MAS dries clear like the West, but I prefer West because the customer support is off the hook. They have a great manual (also available online) and you can also call them at any time, and no matter who picks up the phone, they know exactly what the **** they're talking about. I get West at a good price local, so it's a no-brainer for me.

I've never tried the US composites stuff, but a lot of people use that, I'm not one for shipping, I'd rather walk into my local place, they always get me what I need.

Always ask 'commercial' places what they require to get an account, most places its a business card. And "Whitehall Repair" just opened for business :wink: . I have an account at Advance Auto (gets me 10 percent off most items, and even more sometimes) and Oceana, which is an independent industrial wholesaler that sells glass/epoxy/chemicals/paints/nuts & bolts/lotsa stuff.
 
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SUPERJET-113

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I use epoxy that "Orion's Pyramid" on Ebay sells. It's Dow Corning epoxy, works great.

I've used 3 gallons of that so far on some of my stuff and other peoples boats and its ok. For the price you cant beat it.
I prefer Evercoat Everfix Epoxy resin for my personal applications. That stuff is way stronger than Orions Pyramid Dow corning. I've never tried West. I just orderd the 3 gallon kit from US composites, we'll see how that stuff works out.
 

Matt_E

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That stuff is way stronger than Orions Pyramid Dow corning.

How did you determine this?

EDIT: If mixed correctly, you shouldn't be able to tell any difference in perceived "strength". Pure (cured) resin is hard and brittle - but it is not supposed to be used by itself, but rather with glass (or some other support matrix).
Resin that was mixed incorrectly will either not cure at all (or very slowly) or be extremely brittle.
 
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Matt_E

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Cure color has nothing to do with epoxy vs polyester resin.

If you are working on Watercraft, you will most likely want to use epoxy resin.
 

meatball

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You want to use Epoxy, dont fool around with the polyester, it does not bond to almost everything on the hull. Epoxy is a lot more expensive and more toxic, but it will bond a lot better. Always wear gloves!!! Repeated exposure to epoxy will make you develope and allergic reaction and you will never be able to work with it again (it takes a lot of exposure to it through the skin, but dont give yourself a headstart...)

Both can cure clear, depending on brand, some of the cheaper ones cure yellow, but honestly it doesnt matter, because you should never have epoxy exposed to sunlight, it should always be painted or covered. West and MAS cure clear, US composites cures yellow (not a problem at all)

Go here and read this top to bottom

http://www.westsystem.com/frames/tier1/usingepoxy.htm

If you have any questions feel free to PM me, I'm doing some epoxy work on a sqaure hood and hull now.

West Systems is expensive, but the customer support is great, and also you can get 'pumps' that measure the ratio for you, so its almost foolproof. When laying down remember, you want to do it at the same time, so it all cures together as one, and you dont have to worry about amine blush (thats in the manual, BTW, fast blushes harder then slow)

MAS is another great system, same concept with the pumps. A cheap alternative that quite a few people use is the US composites brand from www.uscomposites.com They also have pumps available, and are pretty cheap at 54 for a gallon, also have any brushes and cups you'll need. You wont need a gallon for the ski, but thats what I compare brands by.

I work with MAS and West, but only because I get it at a good price locally.

NEVER use polyester on top of Epoxy, it doesnt bond (that includes Polyester based body fillers, meaning a lot of them).
 
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I've used uscomposites.com and west systems from the local boat place. One worked just as good as the other. West systems costs more, and the only reason I bought it was because I needed some quick to finish what I was doing.
 
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tried this new stuff called mvs suspost to be better than west system so ill find out
 

meatball

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Matt E had it right, nearly all epoxies are equal for our needs, and similiar to batteries, there are only 3 or so major epoxy plants. so no matter what the brand, sometimes its all the same. It really doesnt matter what you use for epoxy, as all the strength comes from the glass. West Systems is awesome because its 'neat' and has extensive customer support (call them up and they'll answer your noob questions) Heck, I would be willing to say that they would nearly walk you through building a boat. that's nearly what my dad did a few years ago. He handbuilt a 16 foot skiff out of marine plywood and epoxy/fiberglass, and at a fraction of the price of a carolina skiff, with better handling, looks, and functionality. You can do wonders with the stuff.
 
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