question for you surf guys

[damnthathurt2]

okay here is another great debate question which I seem to be good at bringin up..... :smashfreakB:

anyhow in the flatwater world SJ is the definate way to go , not going to dispute that a bit. but for surf riding is it the same or is there advantages to going green for surf or not, whats your thoughts!!!!!

question#2

I see a lot of the guys (flatwater) shortening their hulls, which I can see the advantage in but for surf ridiing is that an advantage or hinderence??

Question#3

on front sponsons or tubbies. how wide are they and do they really make that big of a difference to the handling/stability of your ski?

was just sitting here in the office today since I jacked my shoulder up and cant go out on mission for a few weeks and was running ideas through my head, mainly which way to go with things if I actually do get back to Florida where I will be doing a lot more surf than flat water riding, and maybe a bit because I have always ridden green,

 

[madscientist]

cutback hulls work great in surf, they allow the nose to stay up which helps greatly on re-entries to keep it from pearling the nose under. the addition of tubbies add some lifting effect to the front of the ski as well.

stay green

there are a few threads on shortened kawies sxrs and x2s primarily

 

[Idok]

SJ for f/s and freeride


kawi for racing.....you can freeride a kawi but it takes much more work



tubbies and shortened hulls are personal preference...


tubbies are definatly noticeable..they'll keep the nose more buoyant..

Personall, Ive never ridden a shorteend hull...but I do have a couple of Fx1's which are shorter and I DO buy into the shortened hull theory....granted, theres a big difference between a a shorter fx hull, and a shortened hull....


dont overthink it...


find a nice SJ with a pipe, prop, footholds and shortened pole......anything beyond that is gravy

 

[damnthathurt2]

I am so damn bored stuck in this office I am overthinking everything,LOL

SJ for f/s and freeride


kawi for racing.....you can freeride a kawi but it takes much more work



tubbies and shortened hulls are personal preference...


tubbies are definatly noticeable..they'll keep the nose more buoyant..

Personall, Ive never ridden a shorteend hull...but I do have a couple of Fx1's which are shorter and I DO buy into the shortened hull theory..


dont overthink it...


find a nice SJ with a pipe, prop, footholds and shortened pole......anything beyond that is gravy

 

[madscientist]

my x2 has been shortened 2" and it was very noticable on flat and the surf

 

[wydopen]

cutback hulls work great in surf, they allow the nose to stay up which helps greatly on re-entries to keep it from pearling the nose under.

ummmmm...no ive never seen someone ride a shortened hull well in the surf..(im talking about real surfriding not just idling around in circles waiting for a wave to jump off..solid reentrys, not nose high attempts with the pole over your head and your feet in the footwells )..sorry to be harsh but its true :shrug:


stock superjet hull with front sponsons

sponsons are pretty much mandatory for aggressive surfriding IMO..

 

[MADMAT]

I have a 96 hull with the older R and D sponsons (1/2" wide each) and it is a HUGE difference IMO.

I actually don't like them but I never really gave them a chance. I friggin love my current beat to death stock reinforced hull.

Its all about the prop, porting, compression and pipe IMO. Everything else is whatever.

 

[ski4]

I have a 96 hull with the older R and D sponsons (1/2" wide each) and it is a HUGE difference IMO.

I actually don't like them but I never really gave them a chance. I friggin love my current beat to death stock reinforced hull.

Its all about the prop, porting, compression and pipe IMO. Everything else is whatever.

indeed

although i would like to shed about 20 lbs of water in the tray ?????!??!?!?!?!

 

[MADMAT]

I see a few refoam jobs coming this winter.

 

[djkorn1]

and hopefully a 'rehull'.

I have seen some dudes go HUGE with sxr's in the surf. It seems the best riders in the world are all riding 2008 Superjet hulls. (Ross, Taylor, etc...)

 

[ski4]

i have to for sure . my back is not going to tolerate heavy much more. and im putting new foot holds in

those gimp ones that are in your old hull matt are cramping my style lol
:cheer:

 

[ski4]

and hopefully a 'rehull'.

I have seen some dudes go HUGE with sxr's in the surf. It seems the best riders in the world are all riding 2008 Superjet hulls. (Ross, Taylor, etc...)

wish i had cash for a non second hand anything
not that it would make me go huge but sure would be nice to have new stuff

 

[LBE]

Matt Smith (MattSmith on the board) rocks his SXR in the surf. He is a bigger guy tho, I prefer a lighter ski.
You can ride whatever you want.

 

[madscientist]

uugh hum!! trinity hull kicks arse !! and d@#$ near indestructable, lustic hit bottom at 3/4 rotation this wknd and not a crack to be seen

 

[suicide]

In my opinion, the stock hulls re-enforced are the best for surf. Tubbies depend on personal preference. Shortened hulls are great for tricks, but I agree with wydopen, in the surf its hard to be really aggressive with a short hull. But with that said, you might be more interested in jumps/tricks than carving/re-entries, hence why you see SOME(not all) of the best surf guys rarely let their hands or feet off on tricks. The same goes for a trick guy who does let his hands/feet off but does not carve or re-entry as well. Surf guys like Ross and Pierre do both, Learning both will only make you a better overall rider. Yes all of you flat-water haters, even doing flat-water freestyle and flat-water racing will help when your in the waves. Like multi world/national champion Eric Malone.

 

[jakew4]

Matt Smith (MattSmith on the board) rocks his SXR in the surf. He is a bigger guy tho, I prefer a lighter ski.
You can ride whatever you want.

OOOOOOOOHHHHH Snap!!!! Matt, he's calling you fat!

 

[Proformance1]

I'm rockin both right now, and have made some more monitary changes to the SXR than the SJ and the SJ is harder to get to hook up and ride out of trouble in the surf, but it much easier to get air and control once you are in the air. The best thing I can say so far is that I'm less concerned about landing with the Sj because it feels easier to control. Although once landed I wish I was on my SXR. Hmmm.. maybe swap that pump with this hull and ......nevermind.

 

[Idok]

pro..put a 140mm mag pump in it....you will stick so hard you wont believe it..even in whitewater!!