Starters gone wild... strange problem

[DAG]

ok strange problem... i just replaced my superjet handpole, so i cut the wires to the start/stop, and rode all day today no problems at all and when i go to put it in the garage i hit the start button to clear the water out.... and the motor dident turn over, however, the starter was goin crazy.. souded as if the moter was on, i hit the stop button dident turn off, pulled the key lanyard, yanked the spark plugs off, still not doing anything, yank the fule lines.. nothing.... finely after about a min i get the battery unpluged...

WTF would cause this? and how can i fix?


thanks for the help..

-grif

 

[jetskier79]

...the starter was goin crazy.. souded as if the moter was on

Was the motor on or not? If the motor was running.....you are describing an airleak. If you are talking about a starter that won't quit, then you have a short somewhere, Switch, connectors, electrical box etc.

I have to ask though, why did you have to cut your switch wires to change the pole??

 

[sflsurfrider]

no need for dual threads.

 

[keefer]

Was the motor on or not? If the motor was running.....you are describing an airleak. If you are talking about a starter that won't quit, then you have a short somewhere, Switch, connectors, electrical box etc.

I have to ask though, why did you have to cut your switch wires to change the pole??

Yeah, I seem to remember a couple of nice plugs near the elec. box that you can unplug when you need to pull the wires up through the handle pole. Maybe it was just too much trouble to pull the battery and gas tank???

All I can say is that when you cut wires you better be prepared to go to great lengths to seal the cut / repair area. Otherwise water will seep down the insulation and ruin those nice copper wires in that expensive harness.

Sounds like the starter was running due to a short and maybe the bendix is shot due to the starter being kicked on and off during riding. Just a guess, but I would pull the flywheel and check that bendix if the starter motor runs but the engine wont turn..

 

[surferdude345]

Why would you cut the wires when you can just un-plug them? i would check were you cut the wires there is probably a short get yourself some shrink wrap connectors.

 

[Waste Land]

... so i cut the wires to the start/stop,

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

 

[jetskier79]

Sounds like the starter was running due to a short and maybe the bendix is shot due to the starter being kicked on and off during riding.

Ross had a squarenose that I was riding for a while. The starter would kick while riding from time to time (and it would start itself on the beach).

Ultimately this was being caused by a short in the electrical box that was full of water.

 

[DAG]

Sounds like the starter was running due to a short and maybe the bendix is shot due to the starter being kicked on and off during riding. Just a guess, but I would pull the flywheel and check that bendix if the starter motor runs but the engine wont turn..

I never gave it gas, i'll see if the motor will turn over in the morning, hopefully b4 work

Ross had a squarenose that I was riding for a while. The starter would kick while riding from time to time (and it would start itself on the beach).

Ultimately this was being caused by a short in the electrical box that was full of water.

is there a fix?

 

[DAG]

did it sound as though the engine was revving very high and loud? if so, you could have an air leak, lean situation, or too high of an idle. it will continue to run w/o plug wires when it out of the water in that situation.

no it was a constent somewhat low turn over last night...


However.. this morning i go to hook the battery back up... prime the lines hit the starter and gass it a littel and it started up just fine... hit the stop and it shuts right off... you would never expect anything was wrong with it????


So i'm not thinking: in order
#1.) the solenoid
#2.) bendix is shot due to the starter being kicked on and off during riding
#3.) its a short somewhere, Switch, connectors, electrical box etc. or the






Also heres the Noid responce which seems Very possable.... what do you guys think?

Your start stop switch works the solenoid which then lets the battery work the starter. I think your solenoid is stuck in the on position. When you tried to stop it with the switch you cut the power to the line that tells the solenoid to break the electrical connection for the starter but it could not break the connection as it was stuck. If it is stuck in the on position it is creating the link / connection which lets juice flow from the battery to the starter. That's why you could only stop it by cutting off battery power.

Inside the solonoid there is usually a piston inside a cylinder, a magnet and a return spring. Hit the start and the magnet pulls the piston forward to make an electrical connection that lets juice flow from the battery to the starter. Release the button and the magnet turns off and the return spring pushes the piston back and breaks the battery / starter path.

Now lets add some rust and / or corrosion inside the solenoid cylinder and see what happens. Hit the start button - piston moves forward and lets juice flow to the starter - release the button and OH OH - piston is stuck in forward position - spring can't push it back to break the connection - starter keeps turning until power is cut off from the battery to the starter.

Or you messed up the line that tells the solenoid to go / no go but that would not explain how you could ride all day with no problem.

 

[sflsurfrider]

sometimes, when the battery is low, the starter relay will stick on a yamaha. that could be all it was.

 

[DAG]

i'm using a brandnew $130 inclosed battery, thats been setting in my house over the winter... dont think my battery is dead.. but i'll check

 

[sflsurfrider]

$130?????

:shock:

 

[DAG]

$130?????

:shock:

yeah west merina is a rip!!!

 

[DAG]

Whats the differeance between teh noid and the starter relay????

or are they the same thing? could the relay be bad????

thanks
-grif

 

[keefer]

The starter solenoid is the same as the starter relay. Same thing either name will do. You need to get a meter and work your way down the electrical system beginning with the start / stop switch and wiring. Pull that electrical box and make sure it is not full of water. Remember that water especially salt water will conduct electricity. This might explain why it is working better now that it has dried out for a while. Your problem will be something simple, it is just a matter of troubleshooting the system and resolving it.

 

[DAG]

. You need to get a meter and work your way down the electrical system beginning with the start / stop switch and wiring. Pull that electrical box and make sure it is not full of water..

what do you mean by this?
and what shoud teh meter read and where do i need to test between

sorry total no0b, i just got my SJ not even a week ago....


thanks for your time
-grif

 

[jetskier79]

So i'm not thinking: in order
#1.) the solenoid
#2.) bendix is shot due to the starter being kicked on and off during riding
#3.) its a short somewhere, Switch, connectors, electrical box etc. or the

The bendix won't cause the starter to run on.

In the case of the phantom squarenose, sometimes it seemed fine, and then it would randomly be an issue. Ultimately I died when the started tried to start while the boat was running, and then wouldn't stop. It just spun and spun and spun....all while I was on the beach. We tore the battery terminal apart to get it to stop.

open the cap on the front of the electrical box. If there is water in there, you MUST open it up and dry it out....and seal it up right.

 

[sflsurfrider]

The bendix won't cause the starter to run on.

i think that was stated more as a result than a cause.

 

[DAG]

eather way, it gives me something to check..

thanks for your help

 

[keefer]

what do you mean by this?
and what shoud teh meter read and where do i need to test between

sorry total no0b, i just got my SJ not even a week ago....


thanks for your time
-grif

I cant explain how to properly use a VOM "Volt Ohm Meter" in this forum, but basically you will use the OHMs setting to check for continuity or shorts in a non energized circuit. You will use the DC volts setting to check for voltage or lack thereof in an energized circuit. A VOM is a valuable tool when chasing electrical problems. You can use a test light to check the suspect solenoid, find someone who knows how to use a VOM, watch and learn. Good luck..