Super Jet Swapmeet's "Really?" RN build

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Brotastic
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After 3 years of being a FX1 'Fan boy', I finally listened to everyone. I rode every SN and RN SJ I could get my hands on and decided its more suited to my style/ needs etc. I started my search for a RN hull.

What I found is a 97 RN, Here is how it was advertised.
1997 roundnose sj hull registered thru 2013 with a clean title
Wamiltons carbon lowered hood and nosepiece with 2 handholds
Engine Bay is reinforced throughout with carbon
Footholds with black diamond hydroturf and 1 inch underpad
Dakine Foot Strap located in the front of tray
Pump shoe installed
Scupper
Thru-hull tube for trim
Dual bilge outlets
Black Bumper and sidings
Steering cable installed

Here it is when I got it home. ( can't DL/ attach pics, its locking up my browser, so ya'll get gigantic pictures dot com...sorry.)








So on to the "Really" part.... I want to begin stating that the member I bought it from was very helpful and forthcoming with info about this hull. Many of the items i'm discussing were performed by the person the seller bought it from. I'm not naming names, and I respectfully ask that if anyone knows, they keep it to themselves. It doesn't matter, I'm not upset not wanting to call anyone out. But its defintely worth discussing and makes good a good story!!! I bought a hull out of state without seeing it, and I feel I should have asked more questions, chalking it up to a learning experience.
I have a strange sense of humor, and i'm extremely sarcastic, so please keep that in mind. These things are just comical to me, there is nothing I can do except laugh and move on. I hope you'll laugh with me.

I'll start with what I know... the "Engine Bay is reinforced throughout with carbon" is only half true. There was defintely carbon in the engine bay.
Unfortunately the layer of carbon, and the layer of glass that was underneath it wasn't attached to anything really.







This is everything I pulled out.



I pulled all of the 'reinforcment" out with a screwdriver, tin snips and my hands in about 20 min. I said "Really!?!" :grumble:
The silver lining is that I didn't care for how it looked and honestly wanted to redo it. My biggest hesitation was having to sand out all the CF... problem solved.

When I got it home, I threw it on my scale.... which displayed 160lbs including hood and aformentioned 'reinforcement'. I said "Really?!?" :bigeyes:
After looking it over I determinded that the foam had to be wet. I drilled a few holes, tipped it up and sure enough it was.
I never asked for a weight, never asked about the foam... Its a yamaha, of course the foam is wet. What are you gonna do.

One question... It looks like someone added a metric poop ton of resin underneath the bond line in front.... I'm assuming to reinforce, but...... I dunno. Can someone maybe tell me if this is a normal thing to do?



My biggest struggle is WHEN to deal with these issues. My gut instinct is to fix it all now, but I want to ride. Pretty much everyone is telling me to just ride it, and fix it this winter. My projects all snowball. I'm sure i'll lower and widen the tray, shorten the rear a bit etc... so maybe its a good idea that I wait.

The Hood and nose piece... I haven't contacted Wamiltons yet, but the hood weighs too much IMO to be CF. The seller weighed it (and I confirmed this on my scale) at 18lbs... So I dunno what it really is, besides really heavy. If anyone can confirm my suspicions, don't tell me cause I don't want to know lol.. Ok maybe I do. Maybe not. Every other hood that i've held feels significantly lighter...






The intake for the "Scupper" (Which looks more like a Blowsion one way) is about 1" above the bottom of the bilge, so whenever I refoam i'll probable redo that so its more effective. But still... "Really?!?" an inch above the bottom? Is the water going to jump in there?? LOL... :)

Only thing that I could legitimitelygripe about on the list above is the "steering cable installed", It was toast. Rubbed through, very stiff, rusted etc... trash. Once again, no big deal, I have one. Say it with me, just for fun.... "Really!?!"

So far all i've done is install the pole, bracket, cables, SS switch. Tear out the reinforcement mess, and take off most of the stickers. I gotta figure out what color it is so I can have some touch up made. Its chipped up bad.

So my plans.... swap over all the powertrain from my FX1 (limited 61x 701, FX1 B-Pipe, FX1 gas tank blah blah blah), and get it on the water.
It will have a shortened CF wrapped 08 SJ pole, Cold Fusion turn plate with Riser Bars (gotta get on that bandwagon). If I don't like them I have a X-metal adjustable plate. Bored 61x reduciton nozzle, qick steer mod, new wear ring.

Came with a XFT bracket and hooks. Might upgrade the OEM hood hooks that were provided.

I can't go much farther until I get some (more) parts from Jetmaniac, so it could be another two weeks before this sees any water.
Can't every plan far enough ahead with these things it seems.

I guess thats it... big first post for my first RN!
 
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Big Kahuna

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That is a very early Wammer Hood. I have one of his old style from 2000 and yours is older than that!!!!!!!!!!! Mine is around 16 lbs or so. May be a bit more, I can weigh it.
 

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Did you weigh it again once you removed the non-reinforcing reinforcement?

Unfortunately I already installed the pole... so it would throw it off. The glass weighed a lot... the Carbon (big suprise) hardly weighed anything.

I have this deep down desire to get OCD on making this thing light. Taking the "ounces make pounds" approach...
This week I should recieve a heavy duty hanging scale, and I have a engine hoist, so I can really keep track of the weight as I go. I think thats going to be the story.

I don't know how off the deep end i'll get, cause light weight usually = big bucks (www.aftermarkethullsweighnothingandcostamilliondollarz.org) but I know there is a lot of things that I can do to save weight on the ski.
 
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That is a very early Wammer Hood. I have one of his old style from 2000 and yours is older than that!!!!!!!!!!! Mine is around 16 lbs or so. May be a bit more, I can weigh it.
Awesome... The hood just doesn't look like CF. I dunno, I have some ideas for this winter, but we'll see. I don't want to commit and then not follow through. Who wants to be that guy..... :shhh:
 

smoofers

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I saw that ski for sale on craigslist a while back. Did you drive all the way to Kingsville for it??

Edit: keep up the good work!
 
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Subscribing to see you make orange juice when given oranges (see what I did there?).

I'm sure you'll get this hull going pretty nice regardless of its current condition.
 

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"You can do it.....you can do it all night long!":fing02:

Sucks about your issues, but glad to see you making the leap to a roundie. Hell man....keep riding your current boat and make a project out of it since it's already bare. Give ya something to look forward to when you're done tweaking her out your way.
 

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I'll get a flywheel and the bored reduction nozzle from Jetmaniac at the end of this week, which will allow me to get my pump alignment locked in. Then midshaft install, then engine etc... Knowing how things go and how picky I am, I have no expectation of being on the water with this ski this weekend. I'm fighting the temptation to defoam.

Anyone have any input on all the glass under the nose?
 
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That ski was in sac for a bit. I was offered it for a truck I had. Seller then even offered me to come ride it for a whole day to make sure it was good. I then saw it on craigslist in so cal, in the back of a truck bed. That ski is a whore.

On a good note, I hate getting other peoples projects, and usually end up redoing it to my linkings anyways. At least the glass and cf came out easy.

Looking forward the the build.
 
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Im very new to fiberglass and resin. The work under the nose looks like a repair job to me, and a :):):):)ty one at that. If its the same guy who did the cf and glass in the bay, id bust out the sander and go to town and redo anything and everything they did to that ski. All up to you. Im sure it would be solid for a season to just get out and ride it, but if your like me then entire time you are in the tray of that ski you will be thinking of the issues.

I say fix it all now and have a new ski done how you want it.
 
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I bought it from the guy in sac not knowing what I was getting
got it home to find 45psi front cylinder and 90psi back
replaced pistons and domes to get 180psi each cylinder and rode it everyday for probably 4 months straight
got an account on here and instantly wanted an am hull and sold it
 

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WOW!!! I am plannin a project and hope I don't get that involved. With my luck it'll be next season til it gets wet..
 

tom21

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looks like maybe it had paint inside the hull and that could be why all the glass didnt bond. paint is not glue. smc is not the easiest stuff to bond to. epoxy only.

since you got it all cleaned out inside take a look up at the nose and if you see repairs its a good bet that nose is poorly repaired. if its solid maybe they just cracked the rail and the repair wont be so deep. more cosmetic and weight saving.

if you are going all the way something else to think about too, the bondline usually has a weak spot where the glue is letting water in. you may want to fill and reinforce the perimeter of the hull if you are in it that far.

at least after the fx you have the skills now. look forward to a ride report or a build update.

remember riding>wrenching
 
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