Not enough rotation (Back Flips)

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+1 - thats a really good point about the pre-hop. Make sure you don't pre-hop too big . Just a little blip before you go into the trough, pull trim while you are off throttle after the pre-hop and the ski should be at a much steeper angle when you come off the wake.
Thank you for the advice!
 
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Let's see if those links work. The "Attempt 2" video is what I took the screenshots from.
I would say you're going just a little too fast and not squatting hard enough off the wake. Im not sure what your set up is, but for me with a 701 I have to remind myself to slow down into the wake as i approach and put all my body weight down and back (like a really low squat) while leaving the face to get full rotation. Not saying that is the best form but it works for me with a 701.
 
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I would say you're going just a little too fast and not squatting hard enough off the wake. Im not sure what your set up is, but for me with a 701 I have to remind myself to slow down into the wake as i approach and put all my body weight down and back (like a really low squat) while leaving the face to get full rotation. Not saying that is the best form but it works for me with a 701.
Thanks for watching the vids! I think you are right. Maybe a little fast. Also, The above people talked about pushing into the troff, which I am definitely not doing. I am pretty much just leaning back very early.

I am running a JM 718. My setup seems weak though. Not the motor's fault. Probably tuning and pump.
 

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Also, You should really have the pole up. You have far less leverage to rotate the ski with the pole down. I stepped through the first video and it looks like you are hanging off the back with the pole down as you come into frame. You shouldn't really be squatting that early.
 

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That pic of lee is after he hit the throttle and his ski is trying to leave the planet. That's probably the most powerful ski in the world so it's not the best comparison. Just wanted to illustrate what the head does. Heres one of mine. Not a clean flip by any means but it might help show what I'm talking about. This is a full length carbon fx1 with a 701.

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Yeah i have to slow down a lot, let the nose drop, then focus on pulling. Definitely not saying it is the "right" way, or saying i'm a pro but it works with small power. IMG_2811.jpg IMG_2812.jpg IMG_2815.jpg
 
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That pic of lee is after he hit the throttle and his ski is trying to leave the planet. That's probably the most powerful ski in the world so it's not the best comparison. Just wanted to illustrate what the head does. Heres one of mine. Not a clean flip by any means but it might help show what I'm talking about. This is a full length carbon fx1 with a 701.

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I see what you mean. Your video is a great view point! Thanks for that!
 
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keep them bent. when i was learning to FW flip a small-ish motor i kept trying to extend my legs. didn't get all the way around til i stayed crouched and very tight to the ski.
 
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keep them bent. when i was learning to FW flip a small-ish motor i kept trying to extend my legs. didn't get all the way around til i stayed crouched and very tight to the ski.

Ok, thanks for confirming that!

You mean closer to the actual boat producing the wake? So hit the wake before it curls?
 

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Ok, thanks for confirming that!

You mean closer to the actual boat producing the wake? So hit the wake before it curls?
You are getting close but definitely need to slow down! I learned to flip with a 701 as well.
I ride on a well populated and policed lake so I never hit less than 100 feet back , and I've had absolutely no issue flipping off the wake further behind the boat. I go for where there's a deep trough(so basically behind the first wake) and a slight lip and you can go nice and slow and climb up.

Having the boat do a wide turn around can make for a wave much nicer to hit than anything right off the back of the boat and is something to try too.

Riding in a bay with many different boats going by and having to keep a decent distance away, I've tried everything.. But the absolute best is when a wakeboard boat goes slow, makes a super wide turn and after a few seconds it creates multiple waves(quite chaotic) that are hard to navigate through but are taller than anything you could hit off the back.

If the person making wakes does it right and you wait long enough for the waves to form you'll want to blip the throttle and hop over one wave to land in the trough of the next wave, just pull the trim and pin it and you'll rotate more and get higher than you ever have before.

It's almost as exhilarating as a vwake if you get it all right. Rollers are a magical thing...
 
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