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Didn't want to jack any threads so I started this one to follow my progress over the winter. The first mod I am tossing around is the front hull re-shape to be more like an SXR or new X2 by cutting off the deep skegs on the front 1/4. Then re-shaping the center to get rid of the sharp V . That way it will tend to ride up on the waves instead of plowing through them. The skegs are fine for racing with the trim down, but for freeride we turn on the back of the ski and want the trim up always. They also have a bad tendancy to throw the boat to one side or the other when hitting large surf slightly off angle.
D Slicker
11-12-2006, 08:15 PM
Sweet I cant wait to see how it comes out.
CoreyLKN
11-12-2006, 08:46 PM
I wonder how different the shape of the old x-2 top deck and an sxr-800 bottom deck are?
Conversion?:sneaky:
wydopen
11-13-2006, 11:08 AM
Didn't want to jack any threads so I started this one to follow my progress over the winter. The first mod I am tossing around is the front hull re-shape to be more like an SXR or new X2 by cutting off the deep skegs on the front 1/4. Then re-shaping the center to get rid of the sharp V . That way it will tend to ride up on the waves instead of plowing through them. The skegs are fine for racing with the trim down, but for freeride we turn on the back of the ski and want the trim up always. They also have a bad tendancy to throw the boat to one side or the other when hitting large surf slightly off angle.
ive been thinking of matching an x2 top deck to one of my sxi pros that arnt being used..:headbang:
DBLOCK
11-13-2006, 02:11 PM
Hey Crabman!
Please post pics of your tubbies if you decide to build them... I may be interested if they prove to be as good as you think.
Hey Crabman!
Please post pics of your tubbies if you decide to build them... I may be interested if they prove to be as good as you think.
Crabbies!
Why does it only take 3 hours to gut it and clean it...lol. 116 pounds like this.
DBLOCK
11-18-2006, 05:06 PM
Throwing stuff into piles is very easy.
Are you going to separate the hull, or cut out part of your tray to install a scupper?
I'm to the point where I'm sanding and filling, then sanding again. At some point, I just need to be happy with what I have and not try to make the hull perfect. Hell, I'll probably just break the hull again the first time I try to do something tricky...
DBLOCK
11-18-2006, 11:09 PM
Cool. Where's the check valve? Are you just going to install one of the flappers on the back
Cool. Where's the check valve? Are you just going to install one of the flappers on the back
In the first picture it is laying on the left tray, it installs just inside the finished hole, incase the flapper jams you can reach in.
DBLOCK
11-18-2006, 11:30 PM
OK - is that one of the spring loaded sewage check valves, or a sump valve?
What did you build up the back of the boat again - all this today...?
You Rock!:arms:
OK - is that one of the spring loaded sewage check valves, or a sump valve?
What did you build up the back of the boat again - all this today...?
You Rock!:arms:Lol, those are pictures of Pete's (leggdrager) boat, its not spring loaded, it has a flapper inside.
DBLOCK
11-18-2006, 11:35 PM
Man, you had me going there. I thought you were a wildman with fiberglass or something...
The flapper type sump check valve is the one I just bought. I will get this all installed and glassed back up this weekend.
Man, you had me going there. I thought you were a wildman with fiberglass or something...
The flapper type sump check valve is the one I just bought. I will get this all installed and glassed back up this weekend.What size? I think I will have to go with the 1.5 inch, not enough room for 2 inch.
DBLOCK
11-19-2006, 12:33 AM
I'd bought both. I thought I'd decide after I get some room to play...
So far, it's looking like the 1 1/2 check valve will work best. This will take the least amount of cutting & I think I might be able to just seal around the cutout rather than glass or epoxy everything back together.
I know you can do the 2 incher, but even the smaller will be a huge improvement for hull draining.
As of this morning, one way install. Foam was nice and dry.
. Ready for foam and glass.
DBLOCK
11-23-2006, 04:15 PM
Lookin' good!
Which 2 part foam did you decide to buy?
I just finished sanding the bottom of my hull. I didn't get as far as I wanted by today, but maybe after feasting, I'll go back out and try to install my check valve.
Lookin' good!
Which 2 part foam did you decide to buy?
I just finished sanding the bottom of my hull. I didn't get as far as I wanted by today, but maybe after feasting, I'll go back out and try to install my check valve.
I decided to go with the 4lb, it is stronger and should take the shock and impact better from the waves. I will also use it to foam in around the one way and for filling in under the gas door. I'm also going to get a gallon of their epoxy and hardener, way cheaper than the West Systems.
Update: I got the interior ready for reinforcement today, grinding down the tiny upper ribs but leaving the beefy lower ribs in place. Ordered supplies from US composites, on to foam and glass hopefully next weekend. Wifes boat going up to the loft for winter storage.
Got my long curved deck brace in the mail today, 5 minutes of tweaking and it fits the right side just like the left one. Now I can do duals with ease.
Got my chemicals today, couldn't wait to play with the foam!:arms: :arms: :arms: :arms: :arms:
D Slicker
12-07-2006, 08:54 AM
Lookin good crab.
Working on the X2 today. And some carnage at the crabshop.
DBLOCK
12-09-2006, 12:53 PM
Lookin' good Crabman!
So you decided to use the expanding foam and trim it to get the shape you want (I like this idea)...
What did you do to the hull before pouring the foam to get it to adhere?
Lookin' good Crabman!
So you decided to use the expanding foam and trim it to get the shape you want (I like this idea)...
What did you do to the hull before pouring the foam to get it to adhere?
Some sanding, and rollock surface prep tool. Im heading back to the shop now, 4252390125.
D Slicker
12-09-2006, 04:52 PM
Cant wait too here how that rides with the hull like that.
More today. Not sure I am 100 percent comitted on the shape yet, after the epoxy is cured in the morning, I will sand it out and check it all for true. I may narrow up the very front center a tad before I call it good.
DBLOCK
12-09-2006, 09:35 PM
Lookin' good Crabman!
You really continued the shape of the bottom forward well.
I see what you mean by the shape of the underside. My hull comes into a point.
I wonder if this even matters since we ride with the nose up more.
I'd better get on the ball if I'm going to have a whizbang ride like yours this spring, or just a pile of parts that never got assembled.
WDKfan
12-09-2006, 09:36 PM
lookin good crab:woot: :Banane01:
WFO Speedracer
12-09-2006, 10:11 PM
I had a similar thought today Crab but I was going to use a solid shapeable foam and cut my rough shape into it and glass over it.Good job .
I had a similar thought today Crab but I was going to use a solid shapeable foam and cut my rough shape into it and glass over it.Good job .I was going to do that, but I want it to bond good and not have to worry about the epoxy melting the foam.
Lookin' good Crabman!
You really continued the shape of the bottom forward well.
I see what you mean by the shape of the underside. My hull comes into a point.
I wonder if this even matters since we ride with the nose up more.
I'd better get on the ball if I'm going to have a whizbang ride like yours this spring, or just a pile of parts that never got assembled.I did narrow it up in the nose about 2 inches, it looks way better and continues the strakes forward cleaner looking. I know this new shape will get rid of the goofy handling issues with the X2, and may also negate the need for tubbies. Ready for glass now.
Snackem
12-10-2006, 01:56 AM
Looks great crab, makes me wanna go tearin into my ski and buy that 750 from Luke. . .
Looks great crab, makes me wanna go tearin into my ski and buy that 750 from Luke. . .Do it.
First coat of e-mat over the foam, I will follow it up with one layer of cloth for the final layer with white pigment added.
blaster800
12-10-2006, 11:47 PM
its lookin pretty nice !
Project Ski
12-11-2006, 12:57 AM
when will you be testing the new hull design? do we have to wait until spring to find out how it performs?
when will you be testing the new hull design? do we have to wait until spring to find out how it performs?Its going to be a while, probably March or April.
Final layer of glass, ready for fairing and filler.
DBLOCK
12-17-2006, 11:34 AM
Lookin' good!
What did you mix in with your epoxy to color it white?
WFO Speedracer
12-17-2006, 12:14 PM
Nice work crab,looking good.
DBLOCK
12-17-2006, 12:36 PM
OK, I see in a previous post where you mention white pigment... Where do you find this & is it going to take the place of paint?
OK, I see in a previous post where you mention white pigment... Where do you find this & is it going to take the place of paint? It won't replace the paint, but I like the idea of color in the mix to show less scratches from the beaching. US composites has it in many colors, you just mix it in.
One problem is the filler powder is reddish, so I want to add color to lighten it up some. Also, when I do the inside of the hull, I want the color to be the finished product.
DBLOCK
12-17-2006, 12:58 PM
I like that idea - wish I'd have thought of that too.
I've been distracted from working on my hull lately. Should get my transfer switch installed today.
When you are ready to paint, let me know (if you haven't already bought the primer and paint, or gelcoat). I'll go half with you on the supplies...
If I get my other projects done here soon and get back to work on the hull - maybe we could even get together and paint both hulls at once.
I like that idea - wish I'd have thought of that too.
I've been distracted from working on my hull lately. Should get my transfer switch installed today.
When you are ready to paint, let me know (if you haven't already bought the primer and paint, or gelcoat). I'll go half with you on the supplies...
If I get my other projects done here soon and get back to work on the hull - maybe we could even get together and paint both hulls at once.
Thats not a bad idea, I was thinking of some epoxy based marine paint. I have used Easypoxy before, but they (Westmarine) have 2 part paints as well. I see they don't have that product anymore.
DBLOCK
12-17-2006, 02:25 PM
I've been told epoxy paint, urethane based paint, and gelcoat for best durability. That's all I care about on my hull, so am open to any options.
Gelcoat seems to be the most expensive, and I've got some pretty detailed instructions on how to paint the hull this way. Never done it myself & I'll need some help with the other systems too.
If you've done epoxy before, I'm thinking we should just go this way...
Rickster
12-18-2006, 08:54 AM
Wow, can't beleive I missed this buildup.
Lookin good crab, I look forward to a full ride report ont he handling of the hull.:biggthumpup:
Great job crab...looks great!
I hope it performs aswell as it looks!
Got the gas door area, and scupper glassed tonight. There was major cracks at the nose where another ski ran over the front.:biggthumpup:
Reinforcement done, scupper done, hull done, got a lot of filler and sanding to do to get ready for paint, but very happy how things are turning out. Pics up shortly. Almost ready for motor mockup.
kurtwolff
12-22-2006, 10:13 AM
looks awesome! you got some kind of homebrew setup in the background there?
looks awesome! you got some kind of homebrew setup in the background there?Sharp eye, 10 gallon setup.
GASGAS
12-22-2006, 09:43 PM
Hey crab I think it's time for some HOOK BREW!!! maybe 10 gallons
Hey crab I think it's time for some HOOK BREW!!! maybe 10 gallons
You know, we havn't fired up the cookers since 01 or 02, no wonder I have been so thirsty. Maybe after I get the sanding and paint done, its time to get all the stuff out and make 20 gallons. (10 each). That should hold us for at least.......a few.:purr:
DBLOCK
12-22-2006, 11:33 PM
I've got a bit of crystal malt left over from "an experiment"... Will that buy my way in for a 5 gallon keg? I'll bring my own keg...
I've got a bit of crystal malt left over from "an experiment"... Will that buy my way in for a 5 gallon keg? I'll bring my own keg...
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
DBLOCK
12-23-2006, 12:32 AM
How's about I up the ante'?
10 lbs of Crystal & I supply a growler of my own cultured ale yeast...(I tried a mini mash not too long ago and have lots of stuff left over):sneaky:
By the way - thanks for the glass fabric. I think I'll be fitting it to my hull for reinforcing tomorrow...
goodq
12-23-2006, 09:00 AM
You rock bro. I got lots of ideas from this thread. Thank you.
I forgot to mention, I went from 116 pounds, to 122 from the foam and glass.
GASGAS
12-24-2006, 03:45 PM
Are you tired of sanding yet?:bigeyes: :bigeyes: [/SIZE]
Are you tired of sanding yet?:bigeyes: :bigeyes: [/SIZE]
Oh yea, but the end is in sight I think. I still can't decide on a color for sure.
follow the nemo ski paint theme..but intead paint it like the crab from the little mermaid :biggrin:
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g78/playtime27/waverave06019.jpg
Im thinking of a huge crab laid across the top and the legs coming down the side of the hood.
Internal fuel fill, and reserve tank.
D Slicker
12-28-2006, 06:58 PM
Lookin good crab.
D Slicker
12-30-2006, 04:26 PM
Sweet how much did you have to cut off.
Sweet how much did you have to cut off.
Picture 2 shows it, about 3/4 inch at the top to nothing at the bottom. I left some buildup of epoxy and biaxial just incase I need to grind a little more for clearance. Also, the hull is really thick there, so I can also take it down at least a 1/4 inch if needed. The small air tubes are moved over about 1/2 inch, and the front is opened up to about 2 3/8 inches with a 750ss type splash deflector. This setup should keep the water out, and be unrestrictive like running open tops I hope.
D Slicker
12-30-2006, 08:35 PM
When I was running that on my SX-R I pulled the tubes. You dont need them.
When I was running that on my SX-R I pulled the tubes. You dont need them.I know, its just that there seems to be much more driveline water whip on the X2, and I don't want a large hole at the rear. The huge front one should compensate.
Metal4130
01-21-2007, 01:14 AM
Hows this build going?
Hows this build going?I feel like I am stuck in neutral, been too busy at work and the weather sucks. Just need to sand and paint, then get the motor together and finish her up. Most of the parts are here now, and even my B chamber showed up friday.
DBLOCK
01-21-2007, 11:16 AM
Hey Crabman!
What did you decide to do about the chamber fit issues we saw when trying to fit mine in there?
WFO Speedracer
01-21-2007, 11:34 AM
How about this mod? 300 SX fuel tank .
D Slicker
01-21-2007, 11:37 AM
How about this mod? 300 SX fuel tank .
there is an idea.
WFO Speedracer
01-21-2007, 11:45 AM
I will have to check to see if it clears the stock waterbox,I am going to be running rear exhaust with integral muffler,no waterbox.I will also be moving the fuel tank closer to the front since the waterbox is no longer in the way.It fist in there pretty well but will fit better if I remove the rib under it.I was thinking of removing the rib and glassing in a piece of kevlar underneath it for strength.
How about this mod? 300 SX fuel tank .
Are you glassing over the fuel door?
WFO Speedracer
01-21-2007, 02:15 PM
Yes But I think I am making a recessed fuel fill there to hook up to the 300 sx tank.It should line up somewhere in the middle of the stock fuel door location.I should be able to splash a mold off something around here for that.
Hey Crabman!
What did you decide to do about the chamber fit issues we saw when trying to fit mine in there?Not sure why the mod chamber was giving us trouble, I am picking the limited up this week at the UPS center.
Porting trace for Rotation.
WFO Speedracer
01-21-2007, 03:47 PM
Yes that is a Seadoo exhaust pipe on there.
Snackem
01-22-2007, 03:01 PM
Hey Crab it's looking great. I can't wait to try out the new hull design. I got a couple of questions for you
1. What size of scupper are you running and what size of bilges do you have?
2. Did you mod the hood at all? I've thought about taking the "hump" out of the middle of it before and trying to find a better spot for the air intake, it dumps right on my carbs now.
It looks like it's coming along great, keep up the good work. . .
Hey Crab it's looking great. I can't wait to try out the new hull design. I got a couple of questions for you
1. What size of scupper are you running and what size of bilges do you have?
2. Did you mod the hood at all? I've thought about taking the "hump" out of the middle of it before and trying to find a better spot for the air intake, it dumps right on my carbs now.
It looks like it's coming along great, keep up the good work. . .
1.5 inch one way valve, the hood mod is somewhere in this thread.
SXIPro
01-23-2007, 08:27 AM
Damn Crab, you do some nice work!! Everytime I do glass work it ends up looking like stucco. I just don't have patience for sanding anymore. Too many years doing drywall work I guess. Great Job and nice buildup thread.
D Slicker
01-23-2007, 08:50 AM
Crab, Why wont the mod chamber work? It is shorter than the limited so i would think it would be easyer to fit.
Crab, Why wont the mod chamber work? It is shorter than the limited so i would think it would be easyer to fit.
It might, but when we were doing mockup, I couldn't get the coupler halves to come together. The chamber was hitting the lord mount and the front of the case cover and leaving a big gap at the coupler on the inboard side. I havn't tried the limited chamber yet, going to the UPS center to get it tonight after work, signature required.
Damn Crab, you do some nice work!! Everytime I do glass work it ends up looking like stucco. I just don't have patience for sanding anymore. Too many years doing drywall work I guess. Great Job and nice buildup thread.
Tell me about it, this was a lot more work than I anticipated.
D Slicker
01-23-2007, 09:47 AM
What head pipe are you running?
What head pipe are you running?
The FP Kawi 650/750/800, its brand new.
It might, but when we were doing mockup, I couldn't get the coupler halves to come together. The chamber was hitting the lord mount and the front of the case cover and leaving a big gap at the coupler on the inboard side. I havn't tried the limited chamber yet, going to the UPS center to get it tonight after work, signature required.
Slicker, it hits at the bottom corner of the lord mount, I am going to cut about 1/2 of it off but save the top for use with my Coffmans if needed later. I think it will clear the cases just barely, sure is purdy!
Snackem
01-23-2007, 08:12 PM
Did you think about shaving off the 'hump' in the middle of the hood? I like the look of the ski without the fuel door. I've been thinking about doing that to my ski for a while along with the removal of the 'hump'.
D Slicker
01-23-2007, 08:22 PM
Slicker, it hits at the bottom corner of the lord mount, I am going to cut about 1/2 of it off but save the top for use with my Coffmans if needed later. I think it will clear the cases just barely, sure is purdy!
Pic's crabman?
Did you think about shaving off the 'hump' in the middle of the hood? I like the look of the ski without the fuel door. I've been thinking about doing that to my ski for a while along with the removal of the 'hump'.That hump, shields the water from my relocated air tubes, it is functional for me.
Pic's crabman?
Soon as I can find my f-ing camera....:banghead:
Snackem
01-23-2007, 10:44 PM
That hump, shields the water from my relocated air tubes, it is functional for me.
that's a great idea let me know how that works out for you.
that's a great idea let me know how that works out for you.
It works fine, I ran it like that last summer. Its like having a snorkle up high.
Slicker, it hits at the bottom corner of the lord mount, I am going to cut about 1/2 of it off but save the top for use with my Coffmans if needed later. I think it will clear the cases just barely, sure is purdy!
Ok, got the pipe to lay in there flat to the headpipe after cutting at the lord mount, but now there is only about 1/8 inch between the flange at the coupler at the exhaust manifold. Its really going to be snug by the time I get the coupler in there, I wish I knew how thick the casting is, as I need to shave a little off it. Perhaps I can trim a tiny bit at the flange also, as it just keeps the clamps from going anywhere. The pipe seems to clear the cases ok, but I don't have the front cover on yet. This is going to be a very tite assembly, but hopefully worth the trouble.
Snackem
01-24-2007, 03:02 PM
It works fine, I ran it like that last summer. Its like having a snorkle up high.
You got any pics of that set up? I need a project. . .
You got any pics of that set up? I need a project. . .Look at post #67.
Snackem
01-25-2007, 12:44 AM
Wow that looks like it would work pretty good is that just ABS pipe? I may have to try that this spring. Did you put some foam back on the inside of the hood? If not do you think that you have enough flotation on the ski without it?
Wow that looks like it would work pretty good is that just ABS pipe? I may have to try that this spring. Did you put some foam back on the inside of the hood? If not do you think that you have enough flotation on the ski without it?
The stock foam is cut to fit around everything, I don't want to sink it. 2 inch abs with a pvc snorkle. Behind the pvc are 2 air tubes that go into the upper air baffle to compensate for no hood scoop. The right side water drain is foamed and filled, the left one remains to drain water and draw additional air when riding.
Snackem
01-25-2007, 01:20 AM
Thanks that's good to know I may tear into that soon. I hate where the air comes in the hood now, it just dumps right on top of my carb, and since a sub is really the only trick I can do it's no good.
Thanks that's good to know I may tear into that soon. I hate where the air comes in the hood now, it just dumps right on top of my carb, and since a sub is really the only trick I can do it's no good.
I have seen some who hang some plastic or rubber sheet down like a shower curtain to keep water away from the carb.
Snackem
01-25-2007, 03:05 AM
Yeah I was thinking about taking some 4" PVC that I have and cutting it in half to make a kinda scoop and angle it away from the carb. I'd not thought of the curtain.
Soon as I can find my f-ing camera....:banghead:Found it!:purr:
GASGAS
01-27-2007, 12:14 AM
Cool Cool Cool
That coffmans would fit inside the B chamber!
D Slicker
01-27-2007, 05:15 PM
Crab, You should be able to cut that lord mount down more to give it alittle more clearance. Have you mocked it up in the ski yet? I an currious how it will fit with the tank.
Crab, You should be able to cut that lord mount down more to give it alittle more clearance. Have you mocked it up in the ski yet? I an currious how it will fit with the tank.I need to heat mold the tank over just a little, no big deal.:Banane01:
Snackem
02-01-2007, 01:31 AM
I was re-reading your thread and though that I would post these pics side by side so that people could see the difference between you old hull and the mod hull. I can't wait to see how this thing handles If it works for you I may have a project for next winter.
~~~Old Hull ~~~~~~~ Mod Hull~~~
Finally got into the paint booth and laid primer on the bottom, tomorrow I will color the bottom and this weekend lay the primer and paint on the top deck and hood.What you can't see is scratches from the 50 grit sandpaper. Not sure if I want it to be perfect on the lower hull, I would rather put more time into the top deck's paint.
Snackem
02-15-2007, 11:21 PM
Lookin' good Crabman. Keep the pics commin' and keep up the good work Get that thing done for the freeride. :arms:
Lookin' good Crabman. Keep the pics commin' and keep up the good work Get that thing done for the freeride. :arms:
It will be painted this weekend, that gives me 5 weeks to get it done. I am just going to go 650 for now, big power in the spring.:Banane01:
Rickster
02-16-2007, 08:51 AM
That hull sure is pretty.:biggthumpup:
Crab, how did that PVC camera mount work? Did it survive any nose stabs?
That hull sure is pretty.:biggthumpup:
Crab, how did that PVC camera mount work? Did it survive any nose stabs?
It was surprisingly stable, no stabs, but here in the 2nd half of the vid you can see it in action. A couple of big airs off a 6 footer.
http://www.barry-blanchard.com/crabman/Mukilteo21007.wmv
RiverRat
02-16-2007, 10:30 AM
Now thats how you launch a boat :haha:
Rickster
02-16-2007, 02:15 PM
It was surprisingly stable, no stabs, but here in the 2nd half of the vid you can see it in action. A couple of big airs off a 6 footer.
I saw the video when you first posted it. Sure looked cold!:purr:
I saw the video when you first posted it. Sure looked cold!:purr:Well we don't live in Florida, so we do what we can. It really wasn't that cold, with the right gear.
Bottom of the hull painting is done!:Banane01: :Banane01: :Banane01:
Some progress today, first coat color.
D Slicker
02-18-2007, 06:34 PM
Lookin good crabman
Rickster
02-18-2007, 09:56 PM
I like that color!:biggthumpup:
rasper99
02-18-2007, 10:27 PM
Will it be ready for the March freeride at Long Beach, WA?
Will it be ready for the March freeride at Long Beach, WA?
Yes.:Banane01:
I like that color!:biggthumpup:
Unfortunatly, I have to wet sand it all down and start with a different color. Turns out the paint has some problems with a fine grit that won't filter out. We opened another can and it was the same, I decided to switch brands and go bright red instead.
Project Ski
02-19-2007, 01:24 PM
was that video with the mod hull?
was that video with the mod hull?
No, still untested.
Hogggman
02-19-2007, 06:18 PM
Did you try double or triple filters when pouring it into your spray gun
Did you try double or triple filters when pouring it into your spray gunWe did double filters at the marine supply, its just defective paint. They have never seen anything like it, and pulled all that color off the shelf. I'm all sanded down, and will re-shoot tomorrow. Sad part is I really liked the color.
Snackem
02-19-2007, 06:44 PM
Too bad about the paint it looked really good. That is kinda the color I'm thinking of for my X2. Will the boat have the 750 in it for the March Ride or the old 650?
Too bad about the paint it looked really good. That is kinda the color I'm thinking of for my X2. Will the boat have the 750 in it for the March Ride or the old 650?
Red paint, old engine.
Snackem
02-19-2007, 07:08 PM
I should have the 750 in my X2 by then I think that I may be doing the swap this Sat. We'll see if I can't get it done and get it down to the river once or twice before the ride.
Matt_E
02-19-2007, 07:21 PM
I should have the 750 in my X2 by then I think that I may be doing the swap this Sat. We'll see if I can't get it done and get it down to the river once or twice before the ride.
I hope so. :biggthumpup:
The biggest problem you might have at the ocean is water injestion. If your 750 has the stock airbox, mod it to fit. You will need another LH deck brace, and clip the back corner of the airbox. If you have A/M flame arrestors, you will have to do something to shield them. Seems like I always suck water even with my SJ airbox. You will get rolled out there.
We did double filters at the marine supply, its just defective paint. They have never seen anything like it, and pulled all that color off the shelf. I'm all sanded down, and will re-shoot tomorrow. Sad part is I really liked the color.Its red now, laid down smooth as glass.:woot: :arms: :purr:
Snackem
02-20-2007, 04:45 PM
Pics crabman????
Pics crabman????
I'm not jinxing it, after the second coat and I'm done.
w-nut
02-21-2007, 04:02 AM
its looking real good crab man im painting my x2 candy red in a couple off months when i do the build up on my spare hull . with the flame arrestors ive been have some real good luck with a b1 factory set on on the duel 40mm that i put on last week , ill put up a pic off them tommorw for you
Paint done, my gun quit spraying 1/2 way through, but I struggled and got it. PITAss
The pics show the color as a bit orange, but I assure you its red.
FL-cracker
02-21-2007, 12:13 PM
Nice!
Snackem
02-21-2007, 12:37 PM
Looks good :biggthumpup:
Project Ski
02-21-2007, 08:33 PM
i think that thing is going to launch off the waves much nicer then a stock hull.
When is the march ride you are bringing it to? Im building up an X2 myself and would definitely attempt this mod if you have good things to say. It looks more like a SJ bottom which launches to well.
Cant wait to hear what you have to say after the first ride
i think that thing is going to launch off the waves much nicer then a stock hull.
When is the march ride you are bringing it to? Im building up an X2 myself and would definitely attempt this mod if you have good things to say. It looks more like a SJ bottom which launches to well.
Cant wait to hear what you have to say after the first ride
Thats my whole purpose for doing the work to the hull, the waves hit the stock hull and tend to throw it right or left if you are not dead straight on. I'm certain it has to do with the stock front sponsons/skegs. I took a good 3/8 out of them, they are fairly thick (drilled).
March ride is Long Beach WA (calender).
I will post some feedback when I get out in the sound in a couple of weeks for a test ride, but most the waves are only 3-4 footers. I'm really anxious to see how it handles coming over the wash/falls toward the beach, with a little more hull under the nose, it should keep the nose up much easier. The 30 degrees of trim also helps...lol.
Everything in back of the engine including the bilges, water feeds, shaft, pump, rideplate, scoop, mechanically etc. is done. Next is the upper e-box and cdi, i'm just working up to the front. Still undecided what to use to bond the hood seal on so it will stay put.
D Slicker
02-23-2007, 08:39 AM
Lookin good crab.:biggthumpup:
Rickster
02-23-2007, 09:20 AM
Still undecided what to use to bond the hood seal on so it will stay put.
Use contact cement, it will definitely hold the hood seal on.
Glued the hood seal on with GOOP, I don't think it will come off now, even if I wanted it to. Exhaust is piped out and thru the hull, may have to enlarge the waterbox inlet and outlett at some point with more cc's.
Snackem
02-26-2007, 05:57 PM
That's commin' along nicely crab, when are you gonna fire it up and go test the new hull?
That's commin' along nicely crab, when are you gonna fire it up and go test the new hull?I'd like to say by the weekend. Really all I have left is the lower ebox and solinoid, and squish the gas tank a little more, it still hits. That pipe is in there so solid, I can't even move the chamber now. Almost forgot I'm waiting on the turf. Throw in the battery and some fuel.......:biggthumpup:
Project Ski
02-26-2007, 06:12 PM
what waterbox is that? With it setup with the exit coming out the top, wont it just fill up with water, fill your exhaust chamber with water and choke your engine out? Kind of like holding your hand over the exhaust exit
what waterbox is that? With it setup with the exit coming out the top, wont it just fill up with water, fill your exhaust chamber with water and choke your engine out? Kind of like holding your hand over the exhaust exitDude, they work great! Most all 550's were like that, and I will probably run a flow control valve also.
Snackem
02-26-2007, 07:37 PM
I see that you also got rid of your waterbox mounts. I was looking at those things and they look HEAVY. I may try and make another set of mounts out of something a little less heavy. Do you think that it will cause any problems having your waterbox essentially just sitting on the hull?
D Slicker
02-26-2007, 07:41 PM
I see that you also got rid of your waterbox mounts. I was looking at those things and they look HEAVY. I may try and make another set of mounts out of something a little less heavy. Do you think that it will cause any problems having your waterbox essentially just sitting on the hull?
I took 2 pieces of turf under the corners to keep it off the hull.
Snackem
02-26-2007, 07:50 PM
Do you have the stock water box? and did you just glass some bolts into the hull for the retaining straps?
Do you have the stock water box? and did you just glass some bolts into the hull for the retaining straps?
I do have the stock one, and a Mariner (FPP) box also. The straps and mounts are stock, there is no movement between the inner hull and waterbox. I have a piece of neoprene turf between them for vibrations, remember there is 1.5 inches of foam between the inner and outer hull now!!!
I see that you also got rid of your waterbox mounts. I was looking at those things and they look HEAVY. I may try and make another set of mounts out of something a little less heavy. Do you think that it will cause any problems having your waterbox essentially just sitting on the hull?
They weigh as much as the box itself.:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: This new setup is really light, thats a good thing.
Snackem
02-26-2007, 08:27 PM
I may try and rig up a combination like that (minus the hull mod) after the Long beach ride. I'd love to get a couple of pounds out of the nose.
The stock nose bumper also weighs a ton, loose anything rubber.
Snackem
02-26-2007, 09:57 PM
Did you dump the rubber on the back and outside of the trays as well?
Did you dump the rubber on the back and outside of the trays as well?Never had any on this one, it was beat up a bit and had some thick turf that worked well. I''m going diamond turf over the lip up to the front of the tray.
Rickster
02-27-2007, 09:47 AM
I went back through, and could not find what you used for fairing and filler of the bottom of the hull.
I'm about ready to finish the bottom of my hull, and am interested in what you used.:biggthumpup:
I went back through, and could not find what you used for fairing and filler of the bottom of the hull.
I'm about ready to finish the bottom of my hull, and am interested in what you used.:biggthumpup:SM Fairing Compound
Blend of multiple fillers that when mixed with epoxy resins are ideal for multipurpose fairing, filling and sanding. Good for fine and large surface filling that needs a easy sanding, creamy putty. info@uscomposites.com
Rickster
02-27-2007, 10:02 AM
Thanking you very much!:woot:
Thanking you very much!:woot:
What you working on?
Rickster
02-27-2007, 10:33 AM
I am giving my 90 SN a complete makeover, which is one of the reasons why I have been watching your thread closely.:biggthumpup:
The SN was an ex region 7 Free styler's ski, and was beat to hell, and repaired worse. The first pic is how it was, the second/third pic is how it is now.:bigeyes:
I am mechanically done now, just waiting for the battery to charge up as the starter won't spin. Its possible the solinoid is shot, or I need to pull it all apart and swap starters. I went through the solinoid, dissasembled and cleaned everything, but it still didn't look too good, I have 2 others. Waiting for my turf, but that won't stop me from a test ride with my footholds. Glad its about over, too many hours involved. BTW, it weighed in at 300 pounds even, with the battery installed and no fuel.
Follow up: It wouldn't turn over because the battery is faulty, swaped in a good one, not sure whats up it was new last year. I had a little trouble priming the fuel lines, then she fired right up!!!:Banane01: :cheer: :arms: :woot: I still need to replace the solinoid as it clicks but only catches about every 2 or 3 tries on the start button (minor fix).
DBLOCK
02-28-2007, 09:24 PM
I'm so danged jealous crab! I bought some vacuum bagging equipment today on the way home from work to help me in reinforcing my sides - still need to get epoxy though...
Snackem
02-28-2007, 11:50 PM
I am mechanically done now, just waiting for the battery to charge up as the starter won't spin. Its possible the solinoid is shot, or I need to pull it all apart and swap starters. I went through the solinoid, dissasembled and cleaned everything, but it still didn't look too good, I have 2 others. Waiting for my turf, but that won't stop me from a test ride with my footholds. Glad its about over, too many hours involved. BTW, it weighed in at 300 pounds even, with the battery installed and no fuel.
Follow up: It wouldn't turn over because the battery is faulty, swaped in a good one, not sure whats up it was new last year. I had a little trouble priming the fuel lines, then she fired right up!!!:Banane01: :cheer: :arms: :woot: I still need to replace the solinoid as it clicks but only catches about every 2 or 3 tries on the start button (minor fix).
:woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot:
Get that thing in the water ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Final pictures, just waiting on the turf to get here.Special thanks to Pete Jacobs for the inspiration to take on this project, if it wasn't for your forward thinking and build thread, this would have never happend for me.
EvanB85
03-02-2007, 02:15 PM
Looks great. Looking forward to seeing that thing rock in Long Beach.
I think the flame arrestor is my favorite part.
Looks great. Looking forward to seeing that thing rock in Long Beach.
I think the flame arrestor is my favorite part.I'll be airborne!
sea-dude
03-05-2007, 03:41 PM
Well did you go out yesterday? It wasn't that cold, we want to hear how it rides!
Legdragger
03-05-2007, 04:23 PM
I LOVE IT!
What a sweet modded X2 project! I like the innovation and the lack of fear to try stuff! It is totally worth it!
I'd like to try that hull out. Paint looks really nice Crab. You have totally inspired me to go work on the replacement hull I started to build then set aside to go to Daytona and then when I got back I went snowmobiling........
Your the man Crab!:hail: :Banane01: :woot: :woot: :woot: :Banane01: :cheer: :cheer:
And I left room for tubbies! I want to test the hull before any more changes. When I switch to the 752 dual carb motor, I will post the pictures and performance results also.
Project Ski
03-05-2007, 09:46 PM
when is this thing gonna hit the water? WE HAVE TO KNOW how it does
when is this thing gonna hit the water? WE HAVE TO KNOW how it doesHere is the hot scoop, I just got back from the local lake a few minutes ago and WOW!
The trim is insane and almost impossible to keep the nose down, can you spell "backflip". The acceleration was much better than before, and it pulled more rpm than with my Coffmans pipe. It was a huge difference, and now I need to check my plugs to make sure I'm not lean. Its a 44 with 170 main at 1 turn out. The pipe has the screw settings at lower 1/2 turns, mid closed, upper 1/4 turns, and the chamber does not sizzle. The only problem is the waterbox is running hot, its not getting enough water, and visually I noticed that also. I think the backpressure is not allowing the stinger fitting to flow water, as the tee is inline with the hull fitting.The only two mechanical changes are the pipe, and reducing to one screen in the flame arrestor.
Now the hull, first thing I noticed is I don't need much if any trim to get a nice ride, and it doesn't hook as hard in a sharp turn, it dumped me in...brrr. After getting a little use to it, its going to be nice i'm sure. Now remember, I only spent 20-30 minutes on it and its hard to evaluate things properly when the water is 40 degrees. I was more stoked about the pipe than anything. At full speed which must be 2-3 mph faster than before, it was rock solid with no trim at all. The water had a light wind chop and there was no sign of the screwy ride that I remember with a stock hull. I'm anxious now to do a real test launching it off some ocean waves and verify my results.
Hogggman
03-06-2007, 03:39 PM
What did you do for the trim maybe I missed it somewhere in the thread. Is there an easy way to put a lever on it. Just curious cuz I have 2 X2 builds goin on right now.
What did you do for the trim maybe I missed it somewhere in the thread. Is there an easy way to put a lever on it. Just curious cuz I have 2 X2 builds goin on right now.Stock controller.
sea-dude
03-06-2007, 05:00 PM
You are the new X2 king!:hail: :hail: Way to go Crab.:arms: :woot: Can't wait to see it at the beach.:beerchug:
Project Ski
03-06-2007, 07:38 PM
can you go into more detail abotu "doesnt hook as hard in a sharp turns" and "it dumped me".
Do you mean it doesnt carve as well? and make as sharp of turns? Did it just roll over on you and dump you off?
Snackem
03-06-2007, 08:00 PM
can you go into more detail abotu "doesnt hook as hard in a sharp turns" and "it dumped me".
Do you mean it doesnt carve as well? and make as sharp of turns? Did it just roll over on you and dump you off?
:arms: :arms: :arms: :arms: :arms: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :Banane01: :Banane01: :hail: :hail: :hail:
I was wondering the same thing. Also do you see tubbies in the future??? Did you do something different to the trim? or did the hull make that much of a difference? I can't wait to see this thing in action. . .
:woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot:
To quote Sherry O teri, "simmer down now". To answer the turning, I really need more time on it. The water was plenty cold , and I really did not want to be in it much. I did my usuall quick turn, and it dumped me in the water, not over the high side. Its probably a suttle change, but there was a difference in the balance. I did hit some small boat waves, and it seemed to jump easy, and surfskiing the waves felt great. No bad tendancies at all, just a little balance change and I will be set. I havn't ridden anything but my wifes stocker lately, and that could explain why I need to re-adjust to my quick turn and extended turning limits. It turns very quick and fast, "just the way uh-hu, uh-hu, I like it". Also, I still have no turf and could not move around on the tray at all. B pipes rock!
DBLOCK
03-06-2007, 08:44 PM
:cool2:
Good job crabman!
:Banane01:
Legdragger
03-07-2007, 07:27 AM
I had a feeling you would like it :woot: :woot:
I had a feeling you would like it :woot: :woot:
Oh yea, so worth all the extra work to get the pipe to fit. Now I just want to play with the water screws to see if it will hit harder down low. TBM conversion is on my list now, probably need it to handle the 752's extra torque.
D Slicker
03-07-2007, 09:23 AM
I cant wait to hear a full report one you get some more time on it.
Snackem
03-07-2007, 09:46 AM
Crab I may have missed it but are you running a total loss system?
Crab I may have missed it but are you running a total loss system?
No, I have the stock 650 flywheel in there now, my 752 will get the precious Jetnetics charging flywheel. If I get really motivated between now and then, I may put it in before Long Beach.
Snackem
03-07-2007, 06:38 PM
No, I have the stock 650 flywheel in there now, my 752 will get the precious Jetnetics charging flywheel. If I get really motivated between now and then, I may put it in before Long Beach.
Educate me, the Jetnetics charging flywheel is just a lightened flywheel correct? It's kinda a cross between a TL system and a stocker, in other words it charges like a stocker and hits like a TL? or am I way off, which is very likely if not probable.
A charging Flywheel is a billet aluminum replacement for the stock steel flywheel. Since the stock versions are generally very heavy, they require a large amount of horsepower to overcome their weight and this substantially reduces the engine’s ability to respond to throttle movements. The patented Jetinetics Charging Flywheel is significantly lighter, 50% in some cases, which greatly reduces the energy used to overcome flywheel mass and allow the engine to increase rpm’s rapidly. A significant benefit is the fact that the engine will produce horsepower only after it has reached it’s powerband which usually begins around 3800 rpm. By using a Jetinetics Charging Flywheel, the engine is able to reach it’s powerband much more quickly and create usable power much sooner. Further, during rapid cornering such as course racing or slalom runs, this becomes a significant factor for acceleration.
How does it work
Put quite simply, a flywheel is a rotor which supports a ring gear for starting, and magnets which are used to electrically charge both a (capacitor discharge ignition) and the on board battery. The Jetinetics Charging Flywheel uses aluminum as the basis for the rotor, specially designed high temperature magnets, and a tough, alloy steel ring gear to reproduce all aspects of the stock assembly. The rotor is started turning by the starter motor, then the magnets create electrical energy to fire the ignition and charge the battery.
Jetinetics is the originator of the charging aluminum flywheel, and proudly retains the manufacturing right to its patented designs. Any other charging flywheel is nothing more than a copy of the original!
From their site.
Just got back from 4 hours of testing, SWEET! We went out and did wave jumping in the sound, 10-15 kt. winds with seas 1-3 feet. The handling is soooo much better, I couldn't get it to do something not predictable. Thumbs up from me on the hull changes, and the added power is also a nice bonus. Can't wait to swap flywheels this next week and give it one more outing before Long Beach.:Banane01: :arms: :purr:
DBLOCK
03-10-2007, 10:13 PM
I'll second that Crabman! Your ski is super sweet as is...! I can't imagine how sweet it will be with a bigbore.
I rode the X2 around for a little bit and am officially jealous. This ski handles night and day different from the stock configuration that its a wonder Kawasaki didn't figure this out on their own - they could simply have put an SX hull on and would have had a better platform.
Someone should fab a kit to convert older X2's to this configuration...
Once I figured out how to get on the ski, I took off and maneuvered through the same chop that was giving me a hard time on the 650SJ. I sailed through it due to the wider stance, and the added power. I absolutely launched off the rollers, stuck the landing, and had sufficient power to turn tail and head back for more (this is a considerable thing - being a newby on the X2, and a bigger rider).
The added power from the B-pipe is phenomenal! I'm amazed that one simple change (from an aftermarket pipe no less) to the B-pipe can make so much difference. Simply put, the ski rocks! The powerplant is otherwise stock.
Factory Pipe, you'd better fab a couple exhaust manifolds (contact crab to see what he had to go through to get the pipe to fit) - word in the X2 crowd will spread like wildfire, I'm sure.
Crabman, I'm not worthy :hail:
Project Ski
03-10-2007, 11:33 PM
thats awesome Crab. does it still turn as well as the non modded hull? Bsically turn the thing on its side and drag your face on the water or has it changed somewhat?
GASGAS
03-10-2007, 11:39 PM
I also took the X2 for a ride and coudn't agree more with dblock. the thing is way more stable than before and the B-pipe makes it go. I was actually able to stay on it this time:bigeyes: :bigeyes: Good job CRAB :smile:
thats awesome Crab. does it still turn as well as the non modded hull? Bsically turn the thing on its side and drag your face on the water or has it changed somewhat?
It turns much more like an SJ, super stable and controllable. Gasgas and Dblock jumped on it and never fell once, that is unusual, but they both ride SJ
's. Another thing, I think if floats a little higher in the front from all the foam in there now, even with a full tank of fuel. 2 things though, there might be a little more spray in the face from time to time, and its not anyeasier to get back on from the deep water start. I have no idea how it would run with my PJS ride plate on, and set up for bouy's, I might have to try it later this summer just for kicks. I don't think it needs Tubbies at all. J
Project Ski
03-11-2007, 01:14 PM
Ok you have me intrigued enough to try it out on a spare 86 hull i have. I have a ton of foam and should have enough epoxy resin after im done with my other X2 to do this. You'll be getting hit with questions from me left and right.
Did you use any special method make sure both sides were true? or did you just eyeball it?
Ok you have me intrigued enough to try it out on a spare 86 hull i have. I have a ton of foam and should have enough epoxy resin after im done with my other X2 to do this. You'll be getting hit with questions from me left and right.
Did you use any special method make sure both sides were true? or did you just eyeball it?
Eyeball, why don't you wait until I get some more flat water testing, I would like to see how it does for a race boat setup. Another option is the pre-formed piece that comes from Japan, Legdragger ordered one and was going to make a mold from it. I did remove about 1/4-3/8 inch. from the lower chine as shown in the last picture.
Project Ski
03-11-2007, 02:47 PM
yeah i wont be doing this for a little while. I have my other X2 to finish up and get ready for the spring before i start on this. I didnt know there was a preformed piece you can order. Where can you get it from and how much is it?
sea-dude
03-11-2007, 03:35 PM
Just got back from 4 hours of testing, SWEET! We went out and did wave jumping in the sound, 10-15 kt. winds with seas 1-3 feet. The handling is soooo much better, I couldn't get it to do something not predictable. Thumbs up from me on the hull changes, and the added power is also a nice bonus. Can't wait to swap flywheels this next week and give it one more outing before Long Beach.:Banane01: :arms: :purr:
Uhm Crab... your pump looks like it's sporten wood!
Turf tuned out great too.
WFO Speedracer
03-11-2007, 04:06 PM
I will have to try the hull mod on mine the hull is messed up in that area anyway so this is the perfect hull to try it on,I am also doing some other mods that have not been seen before.
You will love this, I pulled the flywheel off and found that the timing was retarded 6-7 degrees from specs.. I had earlier made marks running with a timing light to verify this when it came off, and compared that also with the static factory specs. taken with a dial indicator. The stator is in the stock location (marks aligned), so with the correction and the Jetinetics in place this sucker should be even better.:woot:
The precious is in.:Banane01: :arms: :woot:
Snackem
03-13-2007, 02:51 AM
With the new pipe and the flywheel I bet that thing'll hit hard enough to pull your arms off. . .
With the new pipe and the flywheel I bet that thing'll hit hard enough to pull your arms off. . .
One can hope. :Banane01:
Project Ski
03-13-2007, 01:22 PM
when is it going back into the water. Would like to hear how the jetinetics performs
kawasakit2me
03-13-2007, 06:42 PM
Wow that's a pretty X2! Hopefully this thread will inspire hubby to start hacking into my X2........ :biggthumpup:
Thanks, I just finished the turf about 15 minutes ago.:woot:
kawasakit2me
03-13-2007, 07:08 PM
:woot: more pics!
Snackem
03-13-2007, 07:35 PM
Yeah get some pics up here crab. . . What turf did you use and what footstraps did you use? Water ski bindings again? or did you go w/ Dakine?
Yeah get some pics up here crab. . . What turf did you use and what footstraps did you use? Water ski bindings again? or did you go w/ Dakine?Same as before, I just got the sides turfed and chamfered. As good as this thing runs now, I'm almost starting to think it may have some port work done. Perhaps it just took a better pipe to wake it up.
DBLOCK
03-13-2007, 08:29 PM
I could believe that the engine was ported - that B Pipe made a phenomenal change. Did you happen to notice anything unusual when you swapped your exhaust manifolds (like larger, oval shaped ports)?
Your jetting is huge too...
I could believe that the engine was ported - that B Pipe made a phenomenal change. Did you happen to notice anything unusual when you swapped your exhaust manifolds (like larger, oval shaped ports)?
Your jetting is huge too...
Duh, I didn't really look. BTW, it revs up super clean and fast now on the stand!
Duh, I didn't really look. BTW, it revs up super clean and fast now on the stand!
:woot:
DBLOCK
03-13-2007, 11:12 PM
Man, that was one rusty som'b!:bigeyes:
Your turf job looks good. What did you chamfer - the turf, or the rails?
Snackem
03-14-2007, 03:08 PM
:woot:
Hey crab is it legal to put your reg numbers and stickers on the side below the seat like that? I thought that they were supposed to be on the front of the craft?
Matt_E
03-14-2007, 03:33 PM
That depends on the local authorities. :rolleyes:
I guarantee that the Whitman authorities WILL give you grief about it.
That depends on the local authorities. :rolleyes:
I guarantee that the Whitman authorities WILL give you grief about it.Glad I don't live there, Nate and Jason went all year last year with no numers and stickers at all!!!! They ride in Lake Washington at least 3-4 times a week also, they could get me on a tech. violation, but that would be lame. I kept them clearly visible when riding, with a contrasting color:biggthumpup: .
On another note, we may be doing the Seafair show in front of the crowd and log boom (500,000 people) saturday after the qualifying is over, any good freestylers interested? PM me.:Banane01:
Picking up an SXR impeller this morning, need to get it cutback and prepared for my TBM/R&D big hub conversion going in with the 752cc.:woot:
special fx
03-16-2007, 10:02 AM
If your having a local shop cut back your prop, take your stock pump cone to them and have them part off a 4mm section and bore the inside diameter to clear the R&D cone o-ring surface. You will need this spacer to run the R&D pump cone on a 650 pump. I made the one pictured for mine and plan on putting a skim coat of clear silicone between the spacer and the rear of the pump to make it a permanent part of the pump. If you don't put a spacer in, the o-ring will be subject to pump pressures and I doubt it will not leak. It was only meant to protect against whatever might get past the metal to metal surface of the stock cone to pump interface.
Essentially your just extending the 650 pump to be the same length as the 800 pump. You'll get the idea from the pics.....
If your having a local shop cut back your prop, take your stock pump cone to them and have them part off a 4mm section and bore the inside diameter to clear the R&D cone o-ring surface. You will need this spacer to run the R&D pump cone on a 650 pump. I made the one pictured for mine and plan on putting a skim coat of clear silicone between the spacer and the rear of the pump to make it a permanent part of the pump. If you don't put a spacer in, the o-ring will be subject to pump pressures and I doubt it will not leak. It was only meant to protect against whatever might get past the metal to metal surface of the stock cone to pump interface.
Essentially your just extending the 650 pump to be the same length as the 800 pump. You'll get the idea from the pics.....
I may not have to do this after all, R&D is working right now on offering a modified version of their product that will just bolt up to the 650 pumps with no other modifications needed, I'm just waiting as I don't have the bigger motor assembled anyway. Thanks for the info though. :woot:
Project Ski
03-19-2007, 12:29 PM
were you able to get out and test that flywheel?
Yup, it goes from cruize to wound out instantly. Should be fun with an 8 footer starring you down.:purr:
Project Ski
03-19-2007, 01:58 PM
awesome, so it wa a big gain from the stock wheel
Snackem
03-27-2007, 11:07 AM
Well I had the honor of taking out the crab boat this weekend since my ski wouldn't run the entire weekend:banghead: that is until we got to Hood River to flush, then it would fire right up and rev to WOT:bs2: .
Here's what I noticed
Bottom End
This boat hits HARD. I couldn't believe that crab just had a 650 in there.
Response
There was NO lag time, you squeezed the throttle and the boat took off.
Handling
This is what impressed me the most, You could turn on a dime and the back end wouldn't "slide out". This proved to be very handy to a newby to the surf as it saved my arse on several occasions from a large wave landing on my head. It was like I was riding a completely different ski.
My question.
1. What mods have you done to the steering?
3. How many layers of glass did you put over the foam when you did your hull reshaping?
I can't wait to get back to the surf with my X2 so that I can do a real side by side comparison with the two boats and I can't imagine what the crabboat will do when crab puts the 750 in there.:biggthumpup: Thanks again for providing me with a ride last weekend:arms:
:biggthumpup: :biggthumpup: :biggthumpup: :biggthumpup: :biggthumpup:
Legdragger
03-27-2007, 02:05 PM
It is good to know the SJ chamber works good on the 650 motor too. Seems like the price on the good old B-Pipe will be going up even more now that we can use it on everything.
I still haven't worked with that bottem/nose cover I got but I am always toying with the idea of cutting those edges back like that picture you posted of the white re-shaped hull. I just don't think it will be very strong after I cut that area up and patch it. It would be something I would do as a plug to incorporate into a hull mold.
It is good to know the SJ chamber works good on the 650 motor too. Seems like the price on the good old B-Pipe will be going up even more now that we can use it on everything.
I still haven't worked with that bottem/nose cover I got but I am always toying with the idea of cutting those edges back like that picture you posted of the white re-shaped hull. I just don't think it will be very strong after I cut that area up and patch it. It would be something I would do as a plug to incorporate into a hull mold.
Thats partly why after I trimmed mine down to 1/4" or less material remaning, (I drilled them to see how thick they were and was surprised almost 3/4 inches) I wrapped the glass over the foam and the sides for more strength. I went first layer with 17oz biax, and 2nd layer with e-cloth.
Snackem
03-27-2007, 10:49 PM
Jeff, I meant to ask you this weekend what your plans were for the boat? Do you still plan on putting the 750 in there? or are you happy with how it was with the 650?
Snackem
03-27-2007, 10:54 PM
That's what I thought :biggthumpup:. One can never get enough brap
New power is in the boat, awaiting final assembly.:arms:
DBLOCK
06-01-2007, 11:37 PM
So, are we testing at Goodwin tomorrow?
I still need time to put the rest together, I seem to always run into new snags. Tomorrow I'm heading down to Olympia.......
Finally done, just need to fab a throttle bracket in the morning. Fired right up and sounds awsome!! :brap:
D Slicker
06-14-2007, 08:02 AM
Crap, did you seal up the intake in the back of the flame arrestor also? I am have some insane water ingestion issues.
Crap, did you seal up the intake in the back of the flame arrestor also? I am have some insane water ingestion issues.
I hope that was a misprint, I left the rubber plug in the rear but chopped the part that intrudes into the FA off.
special fx
06-14-2007, 02:02 PM
Did R&D end up making you a 650 specific pump cone or did you end modifying the sxr cone?
sea-dude
06-14-2007, 03:19 PM
Crap, did you seal up the intake in the back of the flame arrestor also? I am have some insane water ingestion issues.
Hey said crap :arms:
Now I really want to ride your X2 are you bringing both boat to LB?:brap::brap:
D Slicker
06-14-2007, 03:28 PM
I hope that was a misprint, I left the rubber plug in the rear but chopped the part that intrudes into the FA off.
:banghead::banghead: sorry about that. I had to go take one I.
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