Yamaslut - Bogus hood mods

[BombThreat]

I had Nick mod my hood for me last summer while building my SN. I just finished and got it in the water this year. Ive got approx/ 3 hours of riding and 2 subs on the boat. This is the results=
http://www.x-h2o.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=84962&stc=1&d=1243037392

I guess liquid nails and a drop ceiling tile dont work so good for a hood liner mod.:nutkick:

Remember kiddies, if you want something done right do it yourself.

[Etheraldreamer]

wow. hope you didnt spend too much.

[suva]

I did mine like that and ended up putting a layer of glass over it.

[Idok]

did you talk to him about it first, or just post this up??

[BombThreat]

Posted it right up, I dont plan on sending anything back to him or lookin for him to make it "right". Who really would do something like this and have a sack to charge for it. Im just posting it up to show what kind of craftsmanship you can expect when sending something to him.

[Etheraldreamer]

Posted it right up, I dont plan on sending anything back to him or lookin for him to make it "right". Who really would do something like this and have a sack to charge for it. Im just posting it up to show what kind of craftsmanship you can expect when sending something to him.

IMO i dont think that is fair. granted, yes, the workmanship is obviously not quite what you would expect but i would also give the guy a chance to explain himself even if not to fix the problem. it goes a long way in these kinds of posts to say "heres the problem and heres what the offending party says about it". not saying that this is defendable or should be taken lightly, obviously the work was sub par. but i do think he deserves the right to at least explain himself to YOU the buyer before being called out here in a public thread.

just my .02

[SurferSmurf]

i would just contact him. he seems like a pretty stand up kinda guy. i dont think he would screw someone intentionaly

[yamaslut]

I guess this is where things are at.... you could have just contacted me and I would have made it right. Either way you obviously wanted something since you had to post this up... What gives???

I can refund you if you like...

or do you just want to bash people on the internet???

[cattledog]

nick is a great guy and does good work, you should have called him before posting this thread, he does a lot for the sport, happens to host the best freeride event in the world ,he has done so much for the freeride sport and community, you should only post a negative thread when something cant be resolved or other person wont make it right

[Idok]

nick is a great guy and does good work, you should have called him before posting this thread, he does a lot for the sport, happens to host the best freeride event in the world ,he has done so much for the freeride sport and community, you should only post a negative thread when something cant be resolved or other person wont make it right


you know, the more and more I talk to people and the more I read (recently)...it seems more and more people dont care about this kind of stuff...


I saw someone earlier this year get refused a tow by another standup rider....


Its :-):-):-):-)ty attitudes and riders not working together that make me want to ride my same little corner with the same 4-5 guys week after week and say F the rest :censored:

[skinnyman]

I have a WD hood He modded after it was broken Killer JOB no ISSUES
after way too many 3/4 roll and surf abuse.

Chit Happens its how the parties involved handdle it:ugh2:

[SuperJETT]

you know, the more and more I talk to people and the more I read (recently)...it seems more and more people dont care about this kind of stuff...

Nick does a great job with the freeride, but that really has nothing to do with quality of work on skis.

I've seen tons of positives for Nick, this is the first negative I believe. It happens, unfortunately you can't please every single customer.

Sometimes negative feedback threads backfire on the poster...

[Wolf Child]

Nick does a great job with the freeride, but that really has nothing to do with quality of work on skis.

I've seen tons of positives for Nick, this is the first negative I believe. It happens, unfortunately you can't please every single customer.

Sometimes negative feedback threads backfire on the poster...

Nick did a nose repair on one of my Octanes, and its the only part of the ski where the turf isn't falling off and the paint isn't flaking.


HOORAY, Nick! :woot:

[GDFL]

So what are the details? I know that isn't ceiling tile. Looks like the fiberglass panels you can buy at home depot. That's what I've used before and it works great. What's the exact problem? Looks like the adhesive is letting go along one side. Not that you should have to, but even if you have to do a bit of repair, you're tons ahead if you didn't have to remove the liner and cut the new liner to size. It's not the easiest job. If you're going to accuse him of bad workmanship and using bad materials, then you should at least be complete and accurate. If you're going to call it ceiling tile, then you might as well say it was elmers glue and paper mache.

[WaveDemon]

Nick does great work and is a stand up guy - everyone knows this. Not contacting him and posting this was a mistake and makes you look bad.

[yamaslut]

thanks for the backup guys... I will do what I can to make it right. Maybe the adhesive did not take like it should.... I have done the same mod to my skis and no problems.

TO be completely honest I did have another problem w/ Kennay's hood and he acted the same way as this guy. I offered to refund but they both acted like I did there girlfriend or something.

Oh well, I don't do that mod for anyone anymore due to the issues w/ these guys and the way they choose to handle it... You live and learn and that's about all I can say about that...

[Kennay]

Don't even think about dragging me through the mud on this. These PM's I am posting are responses after multiple messages asking for an update on when I might get my hood. I am going to post it all up when I get home on Monday night. I really don't have time right now. It's a real shame I don't have every single message anymore; I had to delete a few for space. I just wanted to get this up before any of you other Yamaslut fans turn this around on Bombthreat even further.

Cliffs for now: I paid for EVERYTHING in advance (Hell, I even threw a 20 spot in as a tip and a thank you note taped to the hood when I sent it) and Nick knew that I had an appointment with my painters before I sent anything. It took over 3 weeks to get my damn hood back. It's very ironic that the only reason I sent it to Nick in the first place was to actually SAVE time.

My main beef is that Nick didn't do ANYTHING that I asked and paid him to do. Of course, as a direct result, the hood liner FAILED. It failed before I even put my ski in the water for the first time. I will get more into that when I get back home on Monday night. Don't worry, I took A LOT of pictures when it happend. This all stems back to May of 08 when I was building my squarenose.


This is after multiple messages of the same old "It is going to be sent out this afternoon, blah blah blah" type responses from Nick. It really sucks to work on a build for months, and then turn around and get BS'd in the end to the point of it holding up the whole build from being completed.



You know Nick. You really need to chill out man. I didn't want any hard feelings between us after this, but it sure is getting there fast.

Short and sweet, I don't want a refund. I didn't want my money back from the beginning, I wanted my hood done by the man who supposedly had a bitching hood mod. How can you possibly turn this around on me???

and please tell me how I haven't been decent? Have I threatened you in any way? Said I was going to make a neg feedback thread? Threatened a paypal dispute? No. Not once, not ever have I even called you anything derogatory.

By I was expecting more out of you, I meant that you seemed like a cool guy and your word would be something I could trust. I didn't expect this to be something like I read in the neg feedback forum. I understand delays happen in business, but if you couldn't deliver on a certain date on the multiple times after I asked fro the start, you shouldn't have tried to.

I really don't see how you could possibly turning this around on me man... thanks alot. If you'd rather talk about it on the phone I'd be more than happy.


******** yourself asshole!!!!!

you know I was really close to refunding you 100% but since you can't even be decent.... screw you!!!
-Nick


Sorry, I guess I was just expecting a little more out of you. It just pisses me off that I absolutely busted my balls to have you the money before you started on anything, and here is almost a month later I might be getting the hood. And don't get pissed at me man, I think I have been more than understanding. If I told someone I was going to do something, I would be out there working late, working on the weekends, whatever it took to make sure it was at least reasonably taken care of. I fell like I was taken advantage of to a degree, and you can say what you want. It is what it is and the facts are on the table. Just please get me my hood, and don't blow smoke up my ass again.

Kenneth


I said I was sorry for the time it took... You think 2 weeks late is bad??? HA HA HA, I have waited much longer for much less in this sport. You can hate me bro... whatever... -Nick

ps. I just got into doing this as a job, which means, yes I am working through trying to time things and price things accordingly and no I'm not perfect...










it's boxed and going out in about 20 min...

Once again... I am very sorry for taking so long. I just over extended myself and no excuses... -Nick


Any news for me?


So now I won't be able to take it to the painter until NEXT week. No offense Nick, but you have really ********ed me over bro. This little hood thing has cost me two weeks (So far) on finishing this damn thing that I have worked so hard on. I've literally been sitting here with my hands in my pockets for the last two weeks (nearly) for something you told me the turn around time would be a week on your end MAX back when I paid you in the beginning of May. I hope it was at least worth the wait. I talked to you twice when you were at the beach. In the future, you should probably thing about how your hold ups are going to affect people who have paid money and are counting on you man.

[yamaslut]

HA HA HA.... He's still pissed!!!!!!


get a life and get over it. I charged you 150$ to glass the vents, smooth them prime/paint it and put a new liner in it.. That was cheap and didn't work for you... sorry!!!

[Wolf Child]

well this just went from bad to worse.

All I can say is somethimes things go wrong. Everyone need to realize that. I'm sure Nick never ment to screw anyone over.

[yamaslut]

well this just went from bad to worse.

All I can say is somethimes things go wrong. Everyone need to realize that. I'm sure Nick never ment to screw anyone over.

how do you know what I intended to do???

It's pretty obvious I set this whole thing up. I had to work myself into this scene of kook jet skiers and then after a few years of pretending to like these idiots I stike!!!! I figured i would take out the weakest first, that' why I picked Kennay... Then it was the obvious Bomb threat... I mean seriously these guys stand upright??? Anyway after I got the 150$ I pretty much invested right away and now I am worth millions... HA HA HA HA.... You stupid mwater scooter fags!!!!

:loser:

[WFO Speedracer]

What ever happened to doing a great job just because it was the right thing to do and so you wouldn't ever have to worry about it coming back,that concept seems to be totally foreign here.I have found that if I am happy with the finished product then the customer is happy with it as well,if I have a concern I fix it because if I don't time has proven it will be back at which point you get to fix it for free.

[butti]

I had Nick mod my hood for me last summer while building my SN. I just finished and got it in the water this year. Ive got approx/ 3 hours of riding and 2 subs on the boat. This is the results=
http://www.x-h2o.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=84962&stc=1&d=1243037392

I guess liquid nails and a drop ceiling tile dont work so good for a hood liner mod.:nutkick:

Remember kiddies, if you want something done right do it yourself.



just for the record i have seen this mod done exactly like this on at least a half a dozen hoods and it works awesome.nick did scotts silver square hood like 4 or 5 years ago and its still going strong.the square nose is practiclly unrideable in the surf without it.the hood in stock form lets in tons of water.



bombthreat,if you are so unhappy then why dont you want your money back? im not bashing but just like you have the right to post neg feedback i think we deserve to know why you didnt give nick the opurtunity to make it right somehow.


kennay,obiously you enjoy sour apples because from what i can see in the pms nick apologised a couple times.

[Waternut]

Let's be honest with each other here... Who here has contacted Yamaha because they cracked their stock hull, hood, or got water in the foam? I don't know anyone that has. Yet you'll bash someone you may know personally because they screwed up a job that they made chump change on after materials and time. The guy made a huge thread on how to do this yourself. What more do you want?

Seriously, no one is perfect. If you crack a $5k carbon hull or blow a $3k motor on the first couple rides, take it back. If you crack something like this...slap some glass and resin on it when you get home and ride tommorrow. Problem solved!

[BombThreat]

jfw432- If i pop of 3k motor or crack a 5k hull within the first few rides and it clearly didnt have anything to do with my riding or work, then damn right I would be calling the people who made it to make it right. Im sorry but I dont have the same disposable income then you seem to have... On the other hand in this particular instance the person I had do this work was not a professional at his work an I should have known better then just do this myself. I dont want this money or "help" because Im not going to take his forgiveness. This is the absolutely worst work ive ever seen on a ski and I actually paid for it and waited months. I feel like a complete moron.


Im not looking to get anything out of this, to tell you the truth Im sick and tired of companies/people offering services and having very poor customer service and quality of work for the the money. Im not going to get into details because it doesnt do any good on here. Everyone knows everyone so nobody does anything wrong. If for some ungodly reason there is a mistake in build quality/craftsmanship it wasnt the builders fault by any means... Or you gotta go through about 50 hoops and the ringer before its realized.

[SuperJETT]

unlocked

[Kennay]

In response to Yamaslut, Butti, and JFW

1.) Thank you for bringing my name into this. Until now, the only people who knew about our problem were the people who had actually seen the hood in person. I am glad you brought me up however, because I should have made this post long ago. Maybe if I had, Bombthreat wouldn't be in this situation.

And you most certainly did NOT prime and paint my hood. You painted it with a mixture of flat spray paint colors for "Protecting it during shipping" as you called it. I call it making me spend 2 hours of my life making sure I had every last speck of it sanded off before I could take it by the body shop. Thank you.

2.) Nick kept repeatedly apologizing and that was it.... update after update... "It's being sent out tomorrow, I'm sorry, it's being sent out tomorrow, I'm sorry," over and over. I felt BIG TIME like I was being taken advantage of. Nick knew before I sent him anything that I needed it back pronto because of my appointment at the body shop where the ski was being painted. WEEKS of these "I'm sorry, it's being sent out tomorrow, soon, in 20 minutes," or whatever was getting really old. the rest of my build was done, and I was just sitting there waiting on Nick to please for the love of god deliver my hood.

If I sold you a service, and then never deliver, will it be ok if I keep saying sorry? I spent a lot of time and money on my build, and for Nick to know I was close to the end, and then just not do a damn thing but keep saying sorry.... yeah, it rubbed me the wrong way. Even when my head was about to explode, I still managed to stay composed enough to send him a message without cursing or telling him what a POS he was for doing this.

He then responds with I was just about to refund you... yeah right. I didn't want a refund at that point. For all I knew, the hood I was getting would make up for the wait time on it's own. Boy was I wrong. I asked for a refund later after I had actually seen the hood, and was promptly told the refund didn't apply anymore.

And yes, I love sour apples. I'd take a granny smith over the regular red anyday.


3.) Jfw... oh boy. When you speak along the lines of what did you expect for the money... Well, I personally was expecting something that wasn't falling apart before I even put my ski in the water. Also, it's not like I called him and made an offer. I called him in response to his post about him being out of work and needing money and asked him what he would charge me to do his mod to my hood. We then talked about what I, keyword being I wanted done. The inside was to be reinforced, and the fiberglass liner was to be fiber glassed in. HIS way of doing it was not only a poor concept of how to install a hood liner and make the sn hood stronger, it's was poor craftsmanship as well. Trust me, I wish I had known what I was getting before I thought of even calling him. Gluing a piece of shower liner into a hood with liquid nails isn't exactly my idea of a good idea. Based on his reputation and popularity, I would have never expected that. I even asked a good friend of mine what he thought about Nick before this, and I got nothing but a clear go ahead... don't worry about it. He's a good dude. Ever since this, my buddy won't stop apologizing.

All Nick did in exchange for the roughly 200 dollars I have tied up in this mess of a hood was give me something that was WAY worse than what I started with. I spent a LONG time getting all the mess he made out. Not only that, but to get all the crap he left in there out, it cause the brand new paint job to spider crack all over because it was so damn flimsy I couldn't even work on it. Then lets not mention the 50-60 bucks in materials I spent doing the hood like it should have been done the first time.


I am going to post my pictures in the next post... I'd imagine I am about to start running out of characters.

And for clarification, I didn't post this expecting anything out of Nick. I just want to clear my name since it was brought up, and warn others about what they may be getting themselves into.

[Kennay]

And I might add before I go any further, that Nick himself said even way back when something to the tune of "I don't :-):-):-):-)ing care anymore... bash me online talk about me to your dog, whatever."

I hope this is what you were wanting Nick. A simple I'm sorry and a refund or either just doing what I paid you to do would have been awesome. You gave me the sob story about how it was your first time running a business and not knowing how to deal with all this at a time means relatively nothing considering how well into my waiting, I called you asking for an update on TWO seperate occasions when you answered the phone while hanging out at the beach ON A WEEKDAY when he was supposed to be so short on time with so much going on.


Cliffs of what we agreed upon

Wanted:

-Crack fixed on the side of the hood
-Inside reinforced
-Liner glassed in

What I got:

-Painted with spray paint (I didn't even want ANY paint added)
-Crack not fixed apparently, it came right through the new paint
-No reinforcement (He didn't even take the old liner out.)
-Hood liner made of the thinnest shower liner made of chop on the planet
-Glued in with Liquid nails
-Sloppy liquid nails painted over with LATEX PAINT. Yes, latex paint.
-enormous gaping holes cut in the back on the hood to be covered over with some stainless louvers that wouldn't supply my lungs with enough oxygen because the slits were so small and close together, much less an engine

And so, without further adieu, I present the members of x-h20 with what I received and apparently should have been thrilled about for the low price of only 200+ dollars and a lot of my time (150 + shipping each way + the 20 dollar tip and thank you note attatched.)


First 6 from when I first opened it... I opened the box in disbelief

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/smod1.jpg
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/smod2.jpg
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/smod3.jpg
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/smod4.jpg
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/smod5.jpg
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/smod6.jpg


Next ones are after the maiden voyage in Lake Martin, AL. I didn't take any pics of the cracks from before it hit the water. You could hardly see them, but it was indeed cracked. I guess using the hood made it worse.

And please excuse the poor looking work I did adding the hoses and the glassed in piece so the drypipe would clear. I had to do it really quick one night. I wonder why I was in a rush :omfg:


http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/firstlakeride1.jpg
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/firstlakeride2.jpg



A month later, I rode it in the surf for the first time with the hood mod... awesome. It was dumping saltwater all into the carbs and engine compartment.


http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/firstlakeride2.jpg
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/firstsurfride2.jpg
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/firstsurfride3.jpg



Thank god for gorilla tape. It got me through the last few months of summer. ugh.



http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/thanksgodforducttape1.jpg
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/ducttape2.jpg
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/ducttape3.jpg
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/ducttape4.jpg
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/ducttape5.jpg
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/ducttape6.jpg



Got air? And mysteriously, it sure didn't smell like epoxy when I was grinding it out. Pretty sure it was poly. Let's not forget to mention that the resin was about 1/4"-3/8" thick... yes I had to grind all that crap out along with the liquid nails and latex paint. It took me a very long time to get back down to decent material so I could do it right.



http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/gotair1.jpg
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/gotair2.jpg
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/mmmpeanutb1.jpg



SURPRISE!!!! It rips right out



http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/ripsrightout1.jpg



Why bother?


http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/SurferKennay/crappy%20hood/whybother1.jpg
















I think anyone looking at the pics can really see what is going on here. It's crap. Sorry bombthreat