New X-2 goodies from Japan

[ROTATION]

Check out these goodies:
http://www.dasajapan.com/newpage4.html

[redrrocket]

Thats awesome.. but 8 grand for a hull?

[FL-cracker]

That is some nice shizzle.......but you sure do have to pay out the arse for it!

[SXIPro]

: LMFAO...did you see the Steering Mount System for Fleestyle??..They HAD to have done that on purpose.:biggrin:

[ROTATION]

Here the hull works out at about $6722
http://speedmagic.co.jp/parts/NEW_X2/NEW_X2.html

This is what can be done with a STOCK hull!!!
http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/jetwavejp/imgs/5/6/5632ab6f.wmv

[rizk828]

what a tease! anybody know when we might see them stateside?

[groaty]

what a tease! anybody know when we might see them stateside?
never unless you import it

[Legdragger]

Where can I get an aftermarket cylinder that can go bigger that 85.5mm bore? I was planning on building an 85mm bore SX cylinder with a stroker ( 2mm maybe) knife edge crank but maybe I should locate an aftermarket cylinder. I know Mad Power has them in Japan but I have no idea how I would get one and how to dial it in.

[ROTATION]

You can email Shinji at Jetwaves/Fennec, fennec@jetwave.jp, his english is very good. Website: http://www.jetwave.jp/global/

Or DASA Honda, email: rmysf704@ybb.ne.jp, his english is readable
Website: http://www.dasajapan.com

[Yamah0]

WOW i want one... lightweight mat black with stroker:bigeyes:

[ROTATION]

You don't need a stroker, stock is already 74mm, just need some nice 90mm pistons(941cc)

[Legdragger]

You don't need a stroker, stock is already 74mm, just need some nice 90mm pistons(941cc)


YES I DO!:Banane01: :arms: :Banane01: :arms: :Banane01:

[ROTATION]

Going to order carbs and filters in the next week.

[Legdragger]

I am going to get the single 49 Full Spectrum to go on the 820 for now.

I figured out out how to get inverted on the lake yesterday with the X2. It isn't that hard with the trim system. Just an inverted stab/sub but it made me happy. I got it on video. I will get the tape from my buddy and upload it this week.

P.S. Have you seen any price in any currency on that 90mm cylinder?

[ROTATION]

I will ask next week when I order my stuff

[Legdragger]

I will ask next week when I order my stuff


Thank You:Banane01: :biggthumpup:

[Legdragger]

Does anyone think a lightweight X2 hull for flatwater or a semi light weight reinforced hull for surf with built in handling mods like SXR sponsons and a trim system would be desirable?

I have heard talk about one.:sneaky:

[ROTATION]

They may not have built-in tubbies but they are light.

http://www2.ocn.ne.jp/%7Emeng/newx2.htm

http://speedmagic.co.jp/parts/NEW_X2/NEW_X2.html

http://www.motoine-racing.com/newx-2-2.htm

[Legdragger]

I have seen those. They are sweet. I have heard about some being made in the USA though..........maybe someday........

[butti]

Where can I get an aftermarket cylinder that can go bigger that 85.5mm bore? I was planning on building an 85mm bore SX cylinder with a stroker ( 2mm maybe) knife edge crank but maybe I should locate an aftermarket cylinder. I know Mad Power has them in Japan but I have no idea how I would get one and how to dial it in.





one word........yamaha:bandit:

[Legdragger]

This is why I am thinking of a light weight hull.


YouTube - Pete Kawasaki X-2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b14miAgCLc4)

[ROTATION]

Needs more hp

[Legdragger]

Needs more hp


That too.

[dbrutherford]

Pete,

I believe Speed Magic has one of those oversized Kawasaki 750/800 cylinders on their website. I have a pic somewhere of Josh Lustic's 750 SXi Pro from like 4 years ago when he had one.

Also West Coast used to have a pimp new cylinder but I never saw one in person. I may have a pic of it too. I meat to save everything from their website years ago before it shut own... too late now....

PS, what do you think of the Maeksawa Engineering regular X2 hull? I am debating on getting one once I am out of college and making the big bucks. I hope to buy an 800 SXR as well just for the pump, electircs, and engine.

DBR

[Legdragger]

Pete,

I believe Speed Magic has one of those oversized Kawasaki 750/800 cylinders on their website. I have a pic somewhere of Josh Lustic's 750 SXi Pro from like 4 years ago when he had one.

Also West Coast used to have a pimp new cylinder but I never saw one in person. I may have a pic of it too. I meat to save everything from their website years ago before it shut own... too late now....

PS, what do you think of the Maeksawa Engineering regular X2 hull? I am debating on getting one once I am out of college and making the big bucks. I hope to buy an 800 SXR as well just for the pump, electircs, and engine.

DBR

I can get Josh Lustic's number from a friend, I should give him a call and see what he has for Kawi motor advice.

I have no idea how good those hulls are but a stock X2 hull weighs around 130 or 140 lbs stripped. If they are a lot lighter than that they would be sweet. I wiant to get a lightweight X2 hull in the next year or so with a big bore motor for it. Like 900- 1000cc's in a 75 pound hull. I don't know if your really need to part out an SXR that bad. I have all 650 kawi running gear and electrics on the big bore motor and they seem fine. I would like to see about making a Magnum pump out of a 650 housing though..

[SJBrit]

Ah crap!! I went to the home page and now that song is stuck in my head again: "DJ, please take me to the party..." NOOOOOO!!! :banghead:

[dbrutherford]

Pete,

Check here for a 750 pump install/swap I was tinkering around with.

http://s51.photobucket.com/albums/f368/dbrutherford/?start=all

Also that SE Engine is here:

http://speedmagic.co.jp/parts/800SXR_FS/800sxr_FS.html


So what types of electrics are you running? I want to do an 800 SXR engine swap. I want to use the 800 electrics and an 800 pump. A magnum pump is really my fist choice along with total loss but you know how the money situation goes....


I figure once I get out of school I should be able to get one... hopefully....

I wat all the goodies like the Maeksawa Hull, Trim System, carbon fiber this, that....



What we need is a badd ass stroker engine like Pancake's ADA engine!!

[dbrutherford]

Pete,

I need sme info from you. I am not sure if you saw my foot srap thread on pwctoday and x-h2o but I need to buy some epoxy. What type of epoxy do I need? The guys from Blowsion weren't that helpful when I called them. Also if you know somewhere to buy it let me know. They did say that if the hull is SMC I will need an SMC compound. I could be killing the tricks a lot better with some foot straps!!! Well subs maybe. haha

DBR

[ROTATION]

Cylinder kits available in about a month from Jetwave: 300 000 yen = +/- $ 2 615. You get cylinder, head, pistons, etc.

[Legdragger]

Thank you for the information Rotation!

[ROTATION]

Legdragger
What motor are you running?

[Legdragger]

Legdragger
What motor are you running?

96 SXI cylinder, bigbore sleeves, 84 mm pistons 820 cc
stock stroke
freestyle ported
165# compression witht he domes in it now
single 46 mikuni
Vforce II reeds
Factory pipe wet pipe with Yamaha superjet limited chamber

Overall I am really happy with it. I just always want more.

I am thinking about selling my superjet and just building another of my old X2 hulls for flatwater with a super serious race gas motor and a lightened hull. Then use the 820 I have now in a sturdier hull for surf.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/racerboypete/820X2.jpg

I am going to upgrade to this 49 Full Spectrum/Blowsion/Joe Kenny carb this week.
http://www.blowsion.com/prod_images/detail/01-02-150.jpg

[ROTATION]

Was the transfers lifted when the porting was done?
The SXI cylinder has too much blowdown timing in stock form for freestyle.

[Legdragger]

I am not sure about the transfers but the exhaust port is stock location. I have a new engine builder that is more high teck than the last one that worked for me. My buddy is getting an 840 small pin SX motor done with him right now and if it is better than mine I might just do an SX big bore cylinder this season.

I am going to look at the transfers next time I get the motor apart and compare it to a stock ZXI motor I have.

[ROTATION]

You want the timing of the Exh/Trans to be in the 86/118 range.
If you lift the SXR cylinder 1,3mm with a thicker base gasket(1,8mm), you will have timing of 85/118, which gives bottom-mid power.
The rest of the porting should be done for peak hp rpm's @ 6500rpm.

[ROTATION]

You would a lot more power if you could fit something like a 'Blaster Mod' chamber. The 'big dent' in the superjet chamber's tailcone really kills the power.

[dbrutherford]

Yeah I would like to know what pipes will work on an X2. I am mainly meaning the FPP's. They all use the same headpipe. Say try a FPP Kaw 750 SX Limited, 750 Superstock, SJ Mod/Limited, Yamaha Blaster, Wave Raider, FX1, ect.....

I know SE and some of the other Japanese companies have a few pipes for the 650, 750, and 800's. They all mostly look like aftermarket Kaw 650 pipes.

Beats me... But I did ride a Kaw 750 SXi Pro with a FPP Dry Pipe on it and it was a rocket compared to my 650 SX 650 X2, and my friend's 750 SX.

Water Injection is your friend! I am debating on trying to add some water injection to a modified stock stock pipe I have.

Pete, I will get at you in a few days. This is finals week of summer school and I am slammed with work.

DBR

[Scorn800]

Yeah I would like to know what pipes will work on an X2. I am mainly meaning the FPP's. They all use the same headpipe. Say try a FPP Kaw 750 SX Limited, 750 Superstock, SJ Mod/Limited, Yamaha Blaster, Wave Raider, FX1, ect.....

I know SE and some of the other Japanese companies have a few pipes for the 650, 750, and 800's. They all mostly look like aftermarket Kaw 650 pipes.

Beats me... But I did ride a Kaw 750 SXi Pro with a FPP Dry Pipe on it and it was a rocket compared to my 650 SX 650 X2, and my friend's 750 SX.

Water Injection is your friend! I am debating on trying to add some water injection to a modified stock stock pipe I have.

Pete, I will get at you in a few days. This is finals week of summer school and I am slammed with work.

DBR
The FP head pipes look & act the same but are different. The yamaha head pipe will not wrk on kawi

[ROTATION]

A properly ported cylinder will not need water injection, you won't be able to keep the ski in the water as the motor accelerates so fast.

[dbrutherford]

The FP head pipes look & act the same but are different. The yamaha head pipe will not wrk on kawi

Pete and some others were using the Yamaha SJ pipe on their X2's. I thought since they both had the 3 bolt headpipe pattern they would just bolt up.


Pete will have to fill us in on what he did. What I mean is what head pipe and what chamber he used.


I forsee the bigger pipes being a problem fittign inside the hull. The X2 hull gets kind of narrow by the pipe. One of the Blaster pipe probably wouldn't fit. As for clearing the gas tank I am not too worried as you can have a custom aluminum one welded up or rig up a 550 tank. DBR

[ROTATION]

Legdragger
If you get rid of/mod the step in the tank a Blaster limited could fit.
Your carb is wrong way around, pump-out will give better bottom-end.
The tee in the header to stinger pipe is wrong if you don't have a Jetworks valve in.
It looks like the front head take-off pipe feeds the header, if so change it, put a tee in the mainline and run one pipe to the header and the other to the manifold. Gives you cold water into the pipe and when you shut-off the motor the water drains out to the pump.

[Legdragger]

The FP head pipes look & act the same but are different. The yamaha head pipe will not wrk on kawi

Really? I always though they wee identical. I have to take the Suprejet headpipe out and the original 650 wet pipe out and see if I can figure it out. Or I guess I could call Factory pipe.

My buddy just got a mod chamber. I am going to borow it for some testing:thinkerg:

[Scorn800]

Really? I always though they wee identical. I have to take the Suprejet headpipe out and the original 650 wet pipe out and see if I can figure it out. Or I guess I could call Factory pipe.

My buddy just got a mod chamber. I am going to borow it for some testing:thinkerg:
I've been told the shape is alittle different on yamaha head pipe than the kawasaki. The yamaha bend will hit the bed plate. I've never used a B style head pipe on a kawi so I'm not really sure.

[Legdragger]

Legdragger
If you get rid of/mod the step in the tank a Blaster limited could fit.
Your carb is wrong way around, pump-out will give better bottom-end.
The tee in the header to stinger pipe is wrong if you don't have a Jetworks valve in.
It looks like the front head take-off pipe feeds the header, if so change it, put a tee in the mainline and run one pipe to the header and the other to the manifold. Gives you cold water into the pipe and when you shut-off the motor the water drains out to the pump.

I have changed things a little since the picture was taken. The front head fitting was feeding the handlebar warmers but now it is just going overboard.

The rear head fitting feeds the bottem of the headpipe.

The top headpipe now goes to a jetworks valve and to the stinger.

Both cooling lines off the pump fed the exhaust manifold.

Should I tee into one of the main lines off the pump to feed the bottem of the headpipe? I like to have two sources of water for the motor incase of sand blockage.

Then send both lines off the head overboard?

And keep the top of headpipe to stinger with the Jetworks valve as it is?

I like the idea of the pipe draining out the pump when it is shut down.:fing02:

How does the orientation of the carb affect tuning?

[ROTATION]

The way you have the carb , the fuel from the progression holes can run down the manifold wall onto the bottom at low speeds. If you have it pump out, if the fuel runs down it is on the topside of the manifold an once it gets to a step(reedblocks) it will drip off and fall into the airstream.
Both from head overboard.
Keep the jetworks setup

When you tee into the feed pipe make sure the leg of the tee is facing the pump, then you will get equal flow to header and motor.

[ROTATION]

This may be for a superjet, but this is a real 'TRIM SYSTEM'
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.jetwave.jp%2fparts%2fbun%2f

[w-nut]

i cant believe i havent found this thread till now . ive been thinkin along the same lines as you pete with the hull and engine set up . with the engine i have a small pin 750 (bored out to 780) and i have new sleaves on the way at the moment (820cc) . i was thinking about useing a 650 crank and bore the pins out to take the 750 big pin pins . when i bore the crank to suit the pins i was going to off set hole 2.5 mm to give me a 5mm stroker crank .
with the light weight hull i havent decided which direction i was going to go yet . i work part time for for cousin who has a busness building stuff out of carbon fibre ( ive already built myself a push bike and a mutisport kayak out off carbon ) and i can build wot i wont there .
the new x2 is getting relised here next mounth and im working on a guy i know who is getting one to see if he will lend it to me to take a mould off it or i was just going to use one off my old x2s to make a mould off .
ive already been talking to my cousin about wot lay up process and weither it would be better to do a wet lay up and vac bag it or use resin infusion .

[dbrutherford]

Were you meamimg that you were going to use 750 rods on a 650 crank?

I am not sure but I think the rod lengths are the same just the distance from the center of the crank is different. I am not sure.

I know Kaw and a few other manufactures used the same rods on a couple of skis. Anyone?

I am going to try and find a crashed 800 and use it's engine.

Does anyone know if an 800 FPP "Wet Pipe" will fit in an X2?

DBR

[Legdragger]

i cant believe i havent found this thread till now . ive been thinkin along the same lines as you pete with the hull and engine set up . with the engine i have a small pin 750 (bored out to 780) and i have new sleaves on the way at the moment (820cc) . i was thinking about useing a 650 crank and bore the pins out to take the 750 big pin pins . when i bore the crank to suit the pins i was going to off set hole 2.5 mm to give me a 5mm stroker crank .
with the light weight hull i havent decided which direction i was going to go yet . i work part time for for cousin who has a busness building stuff out of carbon fibre ( ive already built myself a push bike and a mutisport kayak out off carbon ) and i can build wot i wont there .
the new x2 is getting relised here next mounth and im working on a guy i know who is getting one to see if he will lend it to me to take a mould off it or i was just going to use one off my old x2s to make a mould off .
ive already been talking to my cousin about wot lay up process and weither it would be better to do a wet lay up and vac bag it or use resin infusion .


Where are you from w-nut?

[D Slicker]

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Does anyone know if an 800 FPP "Wet Pipe" will fit in an X2?

DBR


I dont know if it will. I have a wet pipe on SX-R. I think the chamber may be an issue. I have a coffman on my X-2 now and it fits with a liitle bit on space left. I know my wet pipe is thicker. I have to take my head pipe out this week I will see if it will fit.

[Legdragger]

I am going to try and find a crashed 800 and use it's engine.


DBR


I was looking for an 800 motor for a friend of mine and Paul Lehr told me somebody had them on a shelf taken out of SXR's. I am not posative but I think He said Jazz Motorsports had them. If they don't hit Paul up. He knows where a lot of cool stuf is hiding.

[Legdragger]

I am going o try this Blaster Chamber on my 840 when I get it back together. It is supposed to be a Blaster Mod Chamber before they released the center blead style that is popular now.

http://i19.ebayimg.com/01/i/08/01/16/f8_1.JPG

[dbrutherford]

Yeah I am ticked that you cannot just buy an engine from Kawasaki! Well I figured I would use all aftermarket everything else for the powerplant (Reeds, Couplers, Manifolds, Exhaust, Carbs, Head, Electrics ie Total Loss... ect)

I am too broke now for an engine purchase. But If I find a good deal I will jump on it. After I put foot straps on my X2 I realize I am lacking everything else... mainly power. Who needs handeling?

As for the pipes, yeah I had a Coffman in my 650 SX. The instructions from Coffman's didn't mention that you need a crow bar and a gallon of 4D-40 to put the sucker in!

[dbrutherford]

I wish FPP would let me come to their shop and just "experiment" with all of the different pipe options..... As for gas tanks, I will do what Pete did and just have one made to fit any pipe I choose. The hull and positioning is the key factor. You can always have aluminum tubes bent up and get crazy bent looking rubber hoses.

DBR

[D Slicker]

Mine went right in. I had a harder time with my wet pipe.

[dbrutherford]

Yeah mine was a royal B!tch. Right were the two halfs are coupled together, the metal bands rubbed the hull but nothing too serious. I had to use a crow bar yo pry the hull out away long enough for my friend to slip the pipe inside the coupler and tighten it down. This si why I was goign to switch to a FPP 650 pipe for my X2 so I only had one coupler and the water box hose to deal with. Still though, that ski ripped way more than the stocker I tool around on now.

But atleats I am riding and not wrenching or maxing out Credit Cards

DBR

[w-nut]

im on the other isde off the world pete im in new zealand ,
dbr im just in the process off working out which is the best way to go for the cranks i know i can turn the 750 small pin into a 4mm stroker (20mm pin vrs 22pin giveing 2mm thirther offset) and am about to pull down my old 650 engine i have sitting round and working out wot i can do with that crank . i did a real quick comparsion at my engine builders shop the other day and the ros lenths were the same . my engine builder did alot off mdified x2 back in the day when they were the thing to have and race .
i am going to be doing all the machine work myself so that will keep the costs down to just parts .
i also emailed fpp last night askiing about diffrent chambers to see wot they would recomend havent checked for the replay yet

[Project Ski]

I have a FPP blaster limited like the one pictured above and the FPP 750SX limited. Im trying to decide which one to run. Let me know how your tests go Pete.

I am missing the Factory manifold, has anyone used a differnt brand (westcoast, PJS, LS) with a factory system?

[Legdragger]

Any kawi 650 manifold works. Factory pipe uses the 650 headpipe pattern for their mainfold to headpipe gasket so it is pretty easy to get any 650 manifold to work.

[Project Ski]

i didnt know if there were any issues with the exhaust hole diameter being different or misalligned.

[crab]

i didnt know if there were any issues with the exhaust hole diameter being different or misalligned.

Carefull, the PJS exhaust man is slightly indexed different, I have read that it causes the pipe to hit the side of the hull.

[ROTATION]

Got SE carbs and CDI-R(9 curves) on its way, tracking shows the parcel has already left Japan:biggthumpup:

[ROTATION]

Got my first order

[kawakid]

sweeettt.....

[Legdragger]

Did that all come from Madpower?

Can you change curves on the fly with those rotary switches?

What does that stuff cost?

[ROTATION]

Got them from Jetwave(www.jetwave.jp/global/), excellent service, sent the stuff the day the wired money showed up in their account. One week and I had the stuff, came by EMS(Japanese postal service). Cost was about $1 800, everything included.
Nine different curves can be selected with the rotary switches

[ROTATION]

Timing curve sheet

[Legdragger]

Thanks Rotation!

[ROTATION]

English diagram, I see it has got a water controller built-in