701 conversion bed-plates to Kawi.

[crab]

Just finished the initial prototype bed-plate mock-up, just tacked together but the alignment is spot on. I don't have T cases to check clearance at the intake manifold, and still need to mock-up a Bpipe to make sure the head-pipe and chamber clear as well, but its looking like a winner. Get in line if your interested, X2addict will be doing the testing for me in the weeks ahead since I'm out until March. Should have them installed to show at Daytona, at least thats the plan right now. This is setup with the Tigershark coupler and stock kawi motor mounts, just bolt to the factory bedplate location, align and shim the motor as normal. I'm not taking deposits, they will be built from scratch one at a time. Stainless may be an option down the road, just harder to work with at this time. (critique welcome)

[RAGS]

very nice crab!!

[Motorheads5]

There ya go good job Crab

[ADDict]

Sweet. Thats great Jeff! I knew you could get something worked out, just didn't know how fast it would be! Can't wait to test it!:headbang:

[dirtyoz]

So you eliminating the stock Yami plate altogether? And why the Tigershark coupler?

Oz

[dirtyoz]

Oh yeah, almost forgot........Looks pretty cool!

Oz

[crab]

So you eliminating the stock Yami plate altogether? And why the Tigershark coupler?

OzThe coupler replaces the stock one and fits the stock yami on the motor. Yes, just bolt them on in place of yami bedplates.

[superx2]

sweet put me inline! looks good

[WFO Speedracer]

Looking good Crab!

[dbrutherford]

Looking good Crab!

I agree.

[Scorn800]

Looks good for the 1st mock up.
What gauge steel?
How was it bent?
Any gusetts planed?

[crab]

Looks good for the 1st mock up.
What gauge steel?
How was it bent?
Any gusetts planed?
3/16
Bent with brute force.:smashfreakB:

Gussets where needed.

[dbrutherford]

Looks good, I knew someone would do it! I am just too lazy...

[dual_carbed_650]

put me down on the list for one crab!

[superx2]

so how is this coming along?

did you get the b pipe to fit?

[ADDict]

so how is this coming along?

did you get the b pipe to fit?

It will fit. His engine is in same place mine is, atleast it should be as we used the same coupler setup. I fit a TNT chamber in my hull, it went in easier than a limited blaster chamber. I may end up back with the SJ chamber as it fits a little better.

[crab]

Willray (x2addict) will have his 701 powered x2 at Daytona later this week if anyone wants to get a peek at the bedplate and how everything fits. I'm there in spirit, but not in person this year......:smoker:

[COwakerider]

so how long till you got some ready for sale crab? I might score another hull this week... any idea on price?

[crab]

so how long till you got some ready for sale crab? I might score another hull this week... any idea on price?Going to wait and see how things hold up, price will depend on materials used and if they need paint or powder coating. My preference would be stainless, but I need to update my welding gas/wire and get some SS drill bits and cutting tools. Should have an answer sometime after Daytona and I get the prototype back for inspection.

[ADDict]

Engine is in. I'll try and post pics today before we had for Daytona, but we may be there before I have the time. Running WAY behind. Bedplates worked out great J. I'll give you a call in a few.

[dbrutherford]

I am in there in spirit too... One of these years I will go, I just can't afford it yet. And I am not going back in debt ever again over Jet Skis! Cash only from now on.

[crab]

Talked to Will Ray, everything seems to be working out great with the plates, as the weekend progresses we will see more pounding of the hull since his new motor will be broken in, but the early word is good!!

[crab]

Introductory pricing, $235 shipped usa, plain steel bare and blasted, ready for coatings, made per order. I may make some and do ebay at some point as a buy it now. (waiting for pics from Willray.

[Vumad]

Introductory pricing, $210 shipped usa, plain steel bare and blasted, ready for coatings, made per order. I may make some and do ebay at some point as a buy it now. (waiting for pics from Willray.

Does that mean they are built the same as stock Kawi plates (once they are coated of course).

[RAGS]

Does that mean they are built the same as stock Kawi plates (once they are coated of course).

even better!!

:djsmilie:

[ADDict]

Heres the deal. Plates seem to be holding up great. I'm planning to have mine powdercoated here locally after I get them back from the Crabster. I'll have them back out very soon and should have some better pics of the plates themselves. I had such little time to get it all working that the few pics I took were on my crappy cell phone camera, and were of the engine installed and not the plates by themselves. You get the idea. Plate uses X2 motor mounts, and stock Yamaha wing mounting locations. I've burnt about 3 tanks of gas through it and I can't see any problems what so ever. Everything is still good and tight. Here are the pics I have for now.

[ADDict]

Also posted a couple of the finished setup, well almost finished setup posted here
http://x-h2o.com/showthread.php?t=49212

[RAGS]

mmmmmm Pete's!!

[crab]

Does that mean they are built the same as stock Kawi plates (once they are coated of course).
No Mike, wings similar to what yamaha does only out of steel. I did the one for Will out of 3/16 x 2" flat stock, but will probably switch to 1/4" for a little added strength (although perhaps not needed) for those who run a little hotter setup. Anyone ever seen a stock bedplate rusted out to the point its unusable???:trink26:

[crab]

First preorder bedplates go to:

1 superx2
2 COwakerider (with option for another)

[Vumad]

No Mike, wings similar to what yamaha does only out of steel. I did the one for Will out of 3/16 x 2" flat stock, but will probably switch to 1/4" for a little added strength (although perhaps not needed) for those who run a little hotter setup. Anyone ever seen a stock bedplate rusted out to the point its unusable???:trink26:

What I ment by how it is bilt was more of a corrosion based question. The stock plate is steel covered in a powercoat or something like that. By made the same I mean is this the same material as the kawi plates and will hold up just as well (or better or worse) than that material in the salt (After they are covered, and if the covering avail is better than what Kawi offers).

I don't know much about different kinds of steel and coatings when it comes to holding up. I know the Kawi plates can last a long time. I wont be buying one soon as I'd have to get a motor too, but curious as to how they will last. Also, how much does coating run?

[crab]

What I ment by how it is bilt was more of a corrosion based question. The stock plate is steel covered in a powercoat or something like that. By made the same I mean is this the same material as the kawi plates and will hold up just as well (or better or worse) than that material in the salt (After they are covered, and if the covering avail is better than what Kawi offers).

I don't know much about different kinds of steel and coatings when it comes to holding up. I know the Kawi plates can last a long time. I wont be buying one soon as I'd have to get a motor too, but curious as to how they will last. Also, how much does coating run?
The secret to coatings, paint or other is to prepare the steel properly by blasting. Then use the correct primer and topcoat, even powdercoat will do better with the proper primer. I wouldn't hesitate using rustoleum after using their bare metal primer, just fixed up my 250 gallon propane tank with it. Another option is galvanizing, but probably overkill. Either way, they will be clean and almost look like they have some kind of coating on them, but its just from being blasted. (;perhaps I should prime them?)

[COwakerider]

No need to prime mine man...

[COwakerider]

Hey addict... is that just a sj mod chamber?? you think there is room for my blaster limited chamber or should I be looking for someone to swap with???

[superx2]

Hey addict... is that just a sj mod chamber?? you think there is room for my blaster limited chamber or should I be looking for someone to swap with???


was wondering the same thing. maybe a blaster mod chamber would fit bettter. seems like sj chambers are hard to come by.

[ADDict]

Yeah guys that is a SJ Mod chamber. The blaster limited will NOT fit, tried it. I did however get the TNT chamber to fit. It was dented on one side to fit into a superjet, and it fit perfectly into the X2. However the centerbleed design made for a pain in the ass trying to fit any type of fuel tank in. Ended up cutting up a 2 gallon gas can and modding a kawi fuel pickup to work in it, haha.
I couldn't find a SJ chamber ANYWHERE when I needed it, and couldn't hardly sell my blaster chamber. Ended up buying a brand new SJ mod chamber from Wammer.

[COwakerider]

FOR ANYONE INTERESTED...factory pipe has some sj mods in stock. my buddy got a nice shiny new one last week!

[ADDict]

FOR ANYONE INTERESTED...factory pipe has some sj mods in stock. my buddy got a nice shiny new one last week!

They look SO nice when they are new. All it takes is a couple salty rides.

[COwakerider]

They are so nice.. sucks when your throwing it in for the first time and put the first big scratch in it.. lol

[ADDict]

They are so nice.. sucks when your throwing it in for the first time and put the first big scratch in it.. lol

Yeah, and when your mad as hell that your having to pull it back apart for something retarded and you cram it into everything possible trying to get it done in a hurry. The backside of my new pipe looks like HELL. haha.

[COwakerider]

Yeah, and when your mad as hell that your having to pull it back apart for something retarded and you cram it into everything possible trying to get it done in a hurry. The backside of my new pipe looks like HELL. haha.

YEP!!! If it don't get you on install, that first beach teardown always does the job!!

[crab]

Yeah guys that is a SJ Mod chamber. The blaster limited will NOT fit, tried it. I did however get the TNT chamber to fit. It was dented on one side to fit into a superjet, and it fit perfectly into the X2. However the centerbleed design made for a pain in the ass trying to fit any type of fuel tank in. Ended up cutting up a 2 gallon gas can and modding a kawi fuel pickup to work in it, haha.
I couldn't find a SJ chamber ANYWHERE when I needed it, and couldn't hardly sell my blaster chamber. Ended up buying a brand new SJ mod chamber from Wammer.
He is right on the Blaster limited, its about 2 inches two short, since the hull tapers in right there. Not sure why it works with the Kawi stuff....go figure. Type 4 drypipe or Wetjet pipe will work if I want to cut into the footwell area....still debating on that one.:poke:

[COwakerider]

think I should be looking for a sj mod or limited?? going on a ported 61x..want everything down low!!!

[FL-cracker]

^^^ That is basically a Toss up.... I would probably go with a Mod chamber just because it is a little shorter, and it may fit easier with your tank. At least that is how I see it for a Superjet.

[crab]

think I should be looking for a sj mod or limited?? going on a ported 61x..want everything down low!!!limited is best, you have to mod the tank anyway.

[FL-cracker]

^^^^^Listen to him!

[superx2]

limited is best, you have to mod the tank anyway.

i am hoping to run a superjet tank i have.

[COwakerider]

limited it is!

[x2skier]

B1 Mod chamber with SJ tank fits nice with both the Kawi and 701.

[crab]

Apparently so will a TNT.

[COwakerider]

whats gonna pull harder down low.. shooting for 180-190 range in compression on a ported 61x??

[ADDict]

701 sits further forward in my hull. X2 fuel tank is T I G H T already, I'll be running a small 2-3 gallon kart tank this season. Also, my mod chamber only has a few inches to make the 90 degree bend needed to catch the water box. My waterbox has the mounts all cut off, and is resting on turf so I can roll the top input tube as far forward as possible. Just keep this in mind if going with the limited, it's the reason I bought a mod. I don't know from experience, but I doubt your going to see THAT much difference from limited to mod. Maybe going from SJ mod to blaster limited or something.. Again just opinions, I really don't know. When putting together a puzzle like a 701 X2, the more room the better.

[crab]

701 sits further forward in my hull. X2 fuel tank is T I G H T already, I'll be running a small 2-3 gallon kart tank this season. Also, my mod chamber only has a few inches to make the 90 degree bend needed to catch the water box. My waterbox has the mounts all cut off, and is resting on turf so I can roll the top input tube as far forward as possible. Just keep this in mind if going with the limited, it's the reason I bought a mod. I don't know from experience, but I doubt your going to see THAT much difference from limited to mod. Maybe going from SJ mod to blaster limited or something.. Again just opinions, I really don't know. When putting together a puzzle like a 701 X2, the more room the better.I use my shoehorn all the time when working on it...

[Motorheads5]

Shoehorn and Mod pieces :cool2:

[ADDict]

Shoehorn and Mod pieces :cool2:

Thats trick!! I want! I want!
I actually have the first setup that hasn't fallen off the exhaust yet. I used the big thick hose from my SJ stock pipe to waterbox, and cut the 90 out of it. It fits on the end of the b-pipe with some force. It's too big for the waterbox, so I just used a piece of stock x2 hose as an adapter and fitted it over the waterbox inlet. The SJ hose slides tightly over the top of the X2 hose, two clamps, bulletproof!!
I can't even count the times my pipe came off last year.. Almost all of them right there in that bend. Hell I sank it a couple times due to it coming off to out and getting bashed the whole way in.

[shawn_NJ]

The limited bpipe chamber is better then the mod, but its alot easier to install the mod. Thats the only reason I am running it...lol

[x2skier]

701 sits further forward in my hull. X2 fuel tank is T I G H T already, I'll be running a small 2-3 gallon kart tank this season. Also, my mod chamber only has a few inches to make the 90 degree bend needed to catch the water box. My waterbox has the mounts all cut off, and is resting on turf so I can roll the top input tube as far forward as possible. Just keep this in mind if going with the limited, it's the reason I bought a mod. I don't know from experience, but I doubt your going to see THAT much difference from limited to mod. Maybe going from SJ mod to blaster limited or something.. Again just opinions, I really don't know. When putting together a puzzle like a 701 X2, the more room the better.

I don't have a picture right now with the SJ tank in place but the X-Metal water box fits further up in the nose and ultimately allows the tank to sit further up in the nose.
This picture is with the 701 in place, B1 mod chamber & X-Metal box.....same setup I ran with the 750. You can simply plug the rear exhaust outlet if you wanted run front exhaust only.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x188/x2skier/X2018.jpg

[COwakerider]

any updates crab? did you get the prototypes back yet? how do they look?

[crab]

any updates crab? did you get the prototypes back yet? how do they look?Nothing yet, let me know if you go and try the other type.

[COwakerider]

oh you will know. but I am going to try that on my other hull. I told you I was in for yours so I am not going to back out on that. I still haven't sent the mo for the tubbies either. I was kinda holding off hoping to do that in one shot, but your probably still a week or two out on the plates so I'll mail it out tomorrow.

[crab]

Taking orders now. $210 shipped for the time being....
http://x-h2o.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=76627&d=1234843520

[shawn_NJ]

Are you using Tigershark coupler or UMI/ADA for these?

[crab]

Tigershark coupler

[X2guy]

I've got a tigershark coupler. PM me if interested.

[COwakerider]

Anyone ever compare the ada and tigershark couplers? I have a set of ada's I ordered when I first started looking into this swap, think i will be able to run it or should i get a tigershark coupler? anyone need a set of superjet kawi style couplers?? :)

[BBYamaha]

FOR ANYONE INTERESTED...factory pipe has some sj mods in stock. my buddy got a nice shiny new one last week!


Yup, I have called several times over the last year and they have had them in stock everytime. The whole, "they are out and not making anymore for a while" is a load of crap started by some tool so they could charge 700$ for a used b pipe. great ideo for this plate. Great upgrade over that 650 or even 750 motor.

I just ordered a set of kawi style couplers from ada, I may know someone looking for pair. What do you want shipped and I will spread the word or list them in the fs section for a few bucks cheaper and they ought to go quick.

[crab]

This set going to superx2. 6lb 9oz

[COwakerider]

money order dropped in the mail tonight on the way home from work crab!!! enough for the mounts and tubbies!

[crab]

money order dropped in the mail tonight on the way home from work crab!!! enough for the mounts and tubbies!
YOurs are mostly cut out, should finish them either tomorrow or wed..

[COwakerider]

:biggthumpup::headbang:

[crab]

:biggthumpup::headbang:Done...:Banane37:

[COwakerider]

NICE!!! :beerchug:

[crab]

Bring it on girls, I'm on a roll.....

http://www.robert-sanderson.co.uk/Resources/welder.jpeg

[crab]

Twins!

[COwakerider]

awww... how cute... qouchie qouchie qoo

[crab]

awww... how cute... qouchie qouchie qooLittle CO jr. on the left, Addict on the right.:dance:

[superx2]

received mine today. thanks

maybe this will get me out in the garage and do something.

[crab]

received mine today. thanks

maybe this will get me out in the garage and do something.
Let us know how the install goes.

[COwakerider]

Got my bed plates today! Thanks Crab! Got some Crab tubbies aswell! I'll get some pics and post them when i drop this puppy in. I am just about ready to lay some glass inside, maybe tommorrow. Not going crazy cause I have came to the conclusion my hull is pretty beat. Main goal is to get it to the point it will last till I can find a clean hull to swap everything over to!

[crab]

Got my bed plates today! Thanks Crab! Got some Crab Clonies aswell! I'll get some pics and post them when i drop this puppy in. I am just about ready to lay some glass inside, maybe tommorrow. Not going crazy cause I have came to the conclusion my hull is pretty beat. Main goal is to get it to the point it will last till I can find a clean hull to swap everything over to!:beerchug:

[COwakerider]

:wavey:

[crab]

Price adjustment, $250 shipped US.

[COwakerider]

slow and steady.. I got a new sj and been helping my buddy with his sj too, so I been switching back and forth. I am almost to the point where I can clean the garage out and start getting motors together. The last of the fiberglass dust should fly tomorrow!!! So far on top of all the x2 stuff covered in my build thread the past couple weeks,have also got done two sets of sj tubbies, one set of sj footholds, one sj refoam and reenforce with reinstall of footholds... what have we been doing all winter???

[COwakerider]

:smokin:

[sxi4evr]

you still makin these?

[crab]

you still makin these?
At some point, got a full plate right now.

[crab]

May make a couple sets next week.

[DezKnotz]

crab i don want to be a pain in ur ars but if u look at these links you will understand why i need those plates bad and fast please
http://www.x-h2o.com/showthread.php?t=54429
http://www.x-h2o.com/showthread.php?t=55087

[crab]

bedplate shop is open again.,

http://x-h2o.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=79665&d=1237227286

[crab]

May have another order going to France.:cheer2:

[crab]

Shipping a set today to SXR-Forever.

[crab]

Set for SXR forever, operators standing by....
http://x-h2o.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=109071&stc=1&d=1266457134

[shawn_NJ]

Should have another set coming to NJ soon....2010 is the year I dump all Kawi motors.

[crab]

Should have another set coming to NJ soon....2010 is the year I dump all Kawi motors.I feel your pain...

[wadman]

Should have another set coming to NJ soon....2010 is the year I dump all Kawi motors.


let me know what you have for sale as it comes available.

[SXR-FOREVER]

sweet buddy, thanks again!

[SXR-FOREVER]

got them in today and holes drilled, going to oval them out then paint!

fit great at perfect alignment!

**excuse the dirty engine compartment**

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q228/fatty344/P1020142.jpg

[crab]

got them in today and holes drilled, going to oval them out then paint!

fit great at perfect alignment!

**excuse the dirty engine compartment**


Good to hear, operators standing by to take orders.......:shocked::woot::bump:

[Foximus]

I powdercoated a couple of these for some people, and they all looked extremely consistent with each other. Good stuff.


* subliminalselfpromo

[shawn_NJ]

got them in today and holes drilled, going to oval them out then paint!

fit great at perfect alignment!

**excuse the dirty engine compartment**

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q228/fatty344/P1020142.jpg

Is that your EVO? What pump/prop do you have in there?

[crab]

ttt

[loictahiti]

Crab, did you have received my pm ? thks

[crab]

Crab, did you have received my pm ? thks
no

[loictahiti]

no

:grumble:

I LL TRIED AGAIN

[crab]

Just finishing up number ????, lost track but these are heading to France!

http://x-h2o.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=112417&stc=1&d=1268864304

[trd_yota]

these will work on a 650sx right? and what else would we need for the 701 conversion?? would a 650sx pump be big enough to handle the extra juice without cavitation?

[crab]

these will work on a 650sx right? and what else would we need for the 701 conversion?? would a 650sx pump be big enough to handle the extra juice without cavitation?
All should work great.

[trd_yota]

thanks man!! ill drop you a line when i want to get more power!!

[ADDict]

thanks man!! ill drop you a line when i want to get more power!!
Go ahead and drop him the line, it's worth it! Absolute best mod for bolt in power, and RELIABILITY.

[picklediddy]

How much post to post a set to Brisbane Australia. 4053

thanks in advance

[crab]

ttt

[thjoekr]

Hey Crab I want a set. how much buddy?

Joe

[crab]

Hey Crab I want a set. how much buddy?

Joe $250 shipped US.

[Evo]

Crab, what's the eta on a set of these? Also, whats the preferred method of coating treatment, Paint or powder coat? I can do both, just curious. Also, any avenue for the Tigershark coupler? What model Shark fits this combo (if they are different)?

[loictahiti]

HI Crab
did you have a conversion bedplate Kawi/yami in stock ? my new engine is ready....
thks

[loictahiti]

up

[loictahiti]

up
thks

[madd_dips]

still available? and whats the ETA shipped to my door?

[SXR-FOREVER]

great product, loved mine!!!

[wadman]

still available? and whats the ETA shipped to my door?

????

[arcatf7]

He said he was not making them anymore.

[shawn_NJ]

Anyone who bought them have a set they want to sell? I have cash ready to go....

[ADDict]

Anyone who bought them have a set they want to sell? I have cash ready to go....
Are you planning to change out one of your X2's Shawn? I figured you'd be sold on the superjet by now!

[shawn_NJ]

Are you planning to change out one of your X2's Shawn? I figured you'd be sold on the superjet by now!

As crazy as it sounds. I'm not 100% sold on the SJ. I am going to put some of the bolt on tubbies on the SJ and see how that helps. I am building an X2 for the GF and want to get rid of the kawi motor.

I will pay extra over what anyone originally paid for there bedplates.... wish I bought a set when Crab was making them.

[whitca]

You can make a set for pretty cheap. I think I spent less than $30 on aluminum to make a set for my sxi and it was pretty easy. I got the idea from another member on here that did it with their x2.

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[shawn_NJ]

You can make a set for pretty cheap. I think I spent less than $30 on aluminum to make a set for my sxi and it was pretty easy. I got the idea from another member on here that did it with their x2.

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Thats my backup plan, I am just very lazy and hate fabbing things.

[whitca]

I hear that. If that's what it comes to it's a pretty easy fab. Let me know if I can help.

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[shawn_NJ]

I hear that. If that's what it comes to it's a pretty easy fab. Let me know if I can help.

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If you can send me what you bought that would be a huge help.

[whitca]

No problem, ill put together a list after work. Send me your email and I can get you pics. They'd be of the plates in a 750 hull but the spacing and driveline is the same as the x2.

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[wadman]

send me that info too if you don't mind. wadmanzr2@yahoo.com thanks

[whitca]

send me that info too if you don't mind. wadmanzr2@yahoo.com thanks

I forwarded you the email I sent shawn_NJ.

[shawn_NJ]

Ordered some material today...lol Thanks again Cam. Going to do 2 sets, one slightly different then you did to MAYBE save some machining time after running the project by my dad. Will report back how that goes.

[Twinturbostang]

Shawn do you have a set? I could always laser cut a few if you have one for me to copy

[scottie mac]

Has anyone ever made conversion plates to put a Kawi motor in a Yamaha?

Scottie

[Twinturbostang]

That seems more like something I would make!

[scottie mac]

Mark,

If you can come up with a plate that drops a kawi in a yamaha, I will be the first to buy. Joe and I want to put a 1100 all done up in a carbon blaster hull. If you make a plate, it, it sure would make life a lot easier.

Hook a brotha up.

Scottie

[Twinturbostang]

Does the sj and blaster have the same lay out? I'm selling the only blaster hull I have tomorrow but I could build it off the sj.

[scottie mac]

Yes, you can take a motor straight out of a blaster and put it in a SJ without mods and visca versa.

Scottie

[crab]

Its rocket science you guys, be carefull.

[shawn_NJ]

Mark lets talk...

And yes any SJ/Blaster 61x or 62t bottom end will bolt up interchangeably in the hull once its setup for it.

[madd_dips]

so ive been lost..... CRAB? ur not making these anymore?


So is anyone down to start fabbing these up?

[Motorheads5]

He'll make you one. Crab is awesome.

[crab]

He'll make you one. Crab is awesome.

Hey don't ressurect the dead...

[PitStop504]

so ive been lost..... CRAB? ur not making these anymore?


So is anyone down to start fabbing these up?

I guess you gave up on the Viper 9000 motor idea, huh :) If you want to drive up to Sebastian you can see how we did it in my X2 or we can do the conversion for you if you bring your hull.

[madd_dips]

Hey don't ressurect the dead...

so is that a yes ur down or a no give me a frown?