View Full Version : wave jumping death in jacksonville
WaveDemon
06-06-2006, 09:15 AM
Posted at the other site...
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=58835
Ollie Rastabean
06-06-2006, 09:34 AM
So, who wants to start the countdown to when they try and ban wavejumping.
WaveDemon
06-06-2006, 09:37 AM
isn't it already illegal?
Prem1x
06-06-2006, 10:25 AM
isn't it already illegal?
Wake jumping is illegal (either too close to another craft or reckless operation) but I've never heard of wave jumping being illegal.
Matt_E
06-06-2006, 10:47 AM
No ******** sherlock. Someone jumps a freakin' 1000lbs whale and is surprised to get smashed?
jetskier79
06-06-2006, 11:49 AM
Wake jumping is illegal (either too close to another craft or reckless operation) but I've never heard of wave jumping being illegal.
Why would jumping a wake be considered reckless operation, and not a wave?
That's the BS I've been given in CA.
beachjunkey
06-06-2006, 11:54 AM
In Va Beach we're supposed to be 100' or 50yds or something offshore, away from objects, away from surfers, and away from each other :bs2: . So yes, jumping waves is illegal here fwiw.
yamaslut
06-06-2006, 01:23 PM
wave jumping is far from illegal and can't be stopped... the zone I ride in has specifc rules for riding and jumping waves is not prohibited... If I'm out the mouth of the inlet, no one can say anything about what I do... The coast Guard can't even tell us to stay out of huge surf... they have to let us go out... I've been over this w/ them a few times... they just will not go out to rescue you... simple as that...
WAVE JUMPING IS NOT ILLEGAL IN FLORIDA
SJKny
06-06-2006, 03:37 PM
WAVE JUMPING IS NOT ILLEGAL IN FLORIDA
I wouldn't go as far as to say all that...... while the premiss of your vessle leaving the water could be debated night & day whether it's legal or not, safe, etc.... you'll get a different answer from every water cop you ask. But there are laws for how close to shore and objects you can do this. Most states have a 100-300 ft law stating you cannot operate a powered craft within these limits and beaching/launching is usually a no no too. Now whether they care to enforce this is not a factor, but the law is there. With exception to Daytona where they have zones where this is allowed assuming you follow the other rules they have in place. Jet out of one of them fancy zones and see how legal you are.... :biggrin: (Spoiled bastids... oh how I envy you :disappointed: )
Ollie Rastabean
06-06-2006, 04:21 PM
I wouldn't go as far as to say all that...... while the premiss of your vessle leaving the water could be debated night & day whether it's legal or not, safe, etc.... you'll get a different answer from every water cop you ask. But there are laws for how close to shore and objects you can do this. Most states have a 100-300 ft law stating you cannot operate a powered craft within these limits and beaching/launching is usually a no no too. Now whether they care to enforce this is not a factor, but the law is there. With exception to Daytona where they have zones where this is allowed assuming you follow the other rules they have in place. Jet out of one of them fancy zones and see how legal you are.... :biggrin: (Spoiled bastids... oh how I envy you :disappointed: )
I think Nick is correct.
Wavedemon and I went out when there was a hurricane just off tampa bay. Realistically, we had no business even being our there. It was 6-8' windchop, raining, windy w/tons of debris in the water. As we were putting in a park ranger showed up and said
" I cannot legally tell you not to go out. I can only strongly recommend that you do not launch. If you get into trouble there will be no-one to rescue you. By the way, the harbor pilot almost sank about 20 minutes ago. Have fun!" and he drove off.
-O
SJKny
06-06-2006, 04:53 PM
I think Nick is correct.
Wavedemon and I went out when there was a hurricane just off tampa bay. Realistically, we had no business even being our there. It was 6-8' windchop, raining, windy w/tons of debris in the water. As we were putting in a park ranger showed up and said
" I cannot legally tell you not to go out. I can only strongly recommend that you do not launch. If you get into trouble there will be no-one to rescue you. By the way, the harbor pilot almost sank about 20 minutes ago. Have fun!" and he drove off.
-O
I wasn't questioning it being illegal to go out when conditions are severe. i.e. small craft advisories... I agree that is up to you and at your own risk. I'm talking about riding close to shore/wave jumping within whatever amount of feet/yards the law says you can be to land. :cool2: :biggrin:
WaveDemon
06-06-2006, 04:57 PM
I think Nick is correct.
Realistically, we had no business even being our there. -Owhat the ******** are you talking about? Don't turn into a wussy on me now, hurricane season is here! I love that ********! I'm just messing with ya. it was rough but I'd do it every chance I get.
besides, I need you to tow me in...
near impossible to say wave jumping is illegal, nearly every boat samller than a freighter, . comes out of the water at times in waves to an extentand i imagine they can as well .
where could the line be drawn on that, any object moving forward given the right wave is going to leave the water period, the legal description of jumping would have to be way to specific to make into any enforcable law
i bet some where they are woking on laws about inverted jumping though, and trying to make that a reckless op situation
wake jumping can be illegal and that law make all the sense inthe world to me as a boat owner... there is nothing i hate more than some newb on a sea doo trying to jump my prop wash or other riders when our clan is out that see no sense in following any type of order when trying to catch air off any wakes. that is dangerous business and i am sure the day will come in our area when someone will get hurt badly trying to get pole position
yamaslut
06-06-2006, 05:06 PM
I never claimed it was legal everywhere in Florida... I said it was not illegal in florida... there is a difference...
SJKny
06-06-2006, 05:09 PM
I never claimed it was legal everywhere in Florida... I said it was not illegal in florida... there is a difference...
I gotcha... :wink:
FL is a little muddy b/c its not statewide, only by ordinance....
But there are a few states that my above statements are correct. Unfortunately I ride in two of them.... :banghead: DE & MD.
see pg 39 for more detail
http://www.uscgboating.org/regulations/Nasbla_Ref_Guide_6.pdf
Ollie Rastabean
06-06-2006, 05:27 PM
what the ******** are you talking about? Don't turn into a wussy on me now, hurricane season is here! I love that ********! I'm just messing with ya. it was rough but I'd do it every chance I get.
besides, I need you to tow me in...
Just for clarification..... I was on a standup and it was almost unrideable.
Wavedemon was on......get ready for this everyone.
A 3-SEATER SEAPOOO.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it. :biggthumpup:
Dont worry, I will be out there next time.
Moondance
06-06-2006, 05:30 PM
Just for clarification..... I was on a standup and it was almost unrideable.
Wavedemon was on......get ready for this everyone.
A 3-SEATER SEAPOOO.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it. :biggthumpup:
Dont worry, I will be out there next time.Seapooo....I think there already was something in Tim's pipe:biggrin:
WaveDemon
06-06-2006, 05:31 PM
Just for clarification..... I was on a standup and it was almost unrideable.
Wavedemon was on......get ready for this everyone.
A 3-SEATER SEAPOOO.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it. :biggthumpup:
Dont worry, I will be out there next time.
hahaha it's true. My blaster was broken down as usual. I'd rather be out on my friends POS loaner than not at all. we're talking hurricanes people!
WaveDemon
06-06-2006, 05:37 PM
the best part of that day was the guy we meet up with there. he just got his ski and we're pretty sure he didn't know how to swim. he was horrified of falling off his ski. but he stuck it out and rode those awefull conditions. For some reason he's never hooked up with us again though...
butti
06-07-2006, 12:34 AM
Posted at the other site...
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=58835
natural selection? :irked:
jetrock
06-07-2006, 05:51 PM
I personally don't know anyone hitting 8-10' waves @ 60-70mph:rolleyes:
Well...maybe Carmine!
yamaslut
06-08-2006, 08:14 AM
I personally don't know anyone hitting 8-10' waves @ 60-70mph:rolleyes:
Well...maybe Carmine!
ha ha... he would sky that thing:bigeyes:
Mike W
07-08-2006, 09:03 AM
Why didnt this surprise me.
butti
07-09-2006, 09:21 PM
well it seems they have started issuing tickets for wave jumping in jax:bs2:
today about 6 or 7 guys from jax showed up at our local break after being pretty much run out of hugenot park.
it makes me sad to see the writing on the wall:frown:
WaHoo_1
07-09-2006, 10:55 PM
well it seems they have started issuing tickets for wave jumping in jax:bs2:
today about 6 or 7 guys from jax showed up at our local break after being pretty much run out of hugenot park.
it makes me sad to see the writing on the wall:frown:
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuque! :bsflag:
:banghead: :sucks: :lame: :cussing: :grumpy: :indifferent: :irked: :rant: :thumbsdown:
Mike W
07-10-2006, 11:14 AM
well it seems they have started issuing tickets for wave jumping in jax:bs2:
today about 6 or 7 guys from jax showed up at our local break after being pretty much run out of hugenot park.
it makes me sad to see the writing on the wall:frown:
well that sucks
yamaslut
07-10-2006, 11:44 AM
well it seems they have started issuing tickets for wave jumping in jax:bs2:
today about 6 or 7 guys from jax showed up at our local break after being pretty much run out of hugenot park.
it makes me sad to see the writing on the wall:frown:
that's not good.... don't tell em about the inlet that starts w/ an M
BTW - are you sure they weren't in the line up and or riding illegaly?? You know how people make crap up...
No wave jumping in jax anymore?? That sucks fat sweaty nuts. :bs2:
:thumbsdown: :grumpy: :grumble: :sad2: :banghead:
In Lake Havasu (Arizona), you cannont intentionally get more than 70% of your craft out of the water. Their logic: out of the water = out of controll. Ironic that this is the same lake where world final are held.
As for the dead dude in Florida: It seems funny that I live 1 1/2 house away from 5 differend moto-x tracks. I have been way more hurt on my bite than my ski. I would say there are way more injuries on dirt bikes thn skis. Seems silly to me that one guy gets hurt on a ski and its news, yet I have seen an amulance out at the MX track several times, and never hear a word about it.
yamaslut
07-11-2006, 08:16 AM
In Lake Havasu (Arizona), you cannont intentionally get more than 70% of your craft out of the water. Their logic: out of the water = out of controll. Ironic that this is the same lake where world final are held.
As for the dead dude in Florida: It seems funny that I live 1 1/2 house away from 5 differend moto-x tracks. I have been way more hurt on my bite than my ski. I would say there are way more injuries on dirt bikes thn skis. Seems silly to me that one guy gets hurt on a ski and its news, yet I have seen an amulance out at the MX track several times, and never hear a word about it.
Wow... never really thought about it that way, but you are so correct.....
That's a real good way to help make people understand the how we get singled out and F'ed w/ all the time when there are much more dangerous sports that don't get a second look.
tom21
07-11-2006, 12:08 PM
does it seem that the guy was from NY visiting FL and probably on a rental and was not familiar with his craft or is that just me?
thats the diff between the BMX track and a rental rider. the guys at the track and family are aware of the risks and accept the outcomes.
the rental guy and his family are all up in arms, how could this happen? why are you allowed to rent such dangerous craft and I'm suing! and now its big news because somebody made a scene.
my deepest sympathies to the family, I would hope that this sort of thing never happens again, but it seems we live in a tight lipped community. Outside these ski forums not much info is shared about skis , riding, safety, maintainace, etc. And it starts with the dealer and goes on down the line.
Half the time I finish repairing a ski and ask the customer how it came to be his ski is in such bad shape and find out that for years they are not taking care of it. they never got the info. who's gonna tell em? now I get to school them after its too late.WTF
Sorry for the rant. but maybe if someone had taken 5 minutes to explain to this poor guy that riding into even a small wave at top speed(if that was really the case) can be very dangerous.
I sent an email to Chris Winterman, the contact person listed on Huguenot's web site. He's the HNIC. I told him we do 'aerial maneuvers', but wear helmets, observe the No Wake Zone, yadda yadda. I had to find out for myself what the deal was.
(http://www.coj.net/Departments/Parks+and+Recreation/Recreation+Activities/Huguenot+Memorial+Park.htm)
And here's the reply I got:
Andy, There are no changes taking place due to the accident. Everyone
at the park did their job to prevent the accident, even had a lifeguard
ride out and speak with them 2 hours prior to the incident due to their
carelessness and they were ejected from the park the previous day for
not observing the no wake. You are welcome to come to the park and
trick ride, however, I would stop by one of the lifeguard towers and let
them know your intentions or you may get some unwanted attention. The
station closest to where you will be riding would be your best bet. The
guards and the Sheriffs Officers are of course a little cautious
regarding jetskis for the time being.
Christopher
Sounds good to me. :biggthumpup:
tom21
07-11-2006, 04:58 PM
so are you saying that before the incident the guy was warned about being a jackass? twice?
Yes, the dead guy was a dumbass before he was dead.
tom21
07-11-2006, 05:26 PM
Not a real big surprise! sucks for us with the bad press. luckily it sounds like clear heads prevail and no restrictions because of it. At least in this instance. thanks for the legwork!
Kingtut
07-11-2006, 05:48 PM
Yes, the dead guy was a dumbass before he was dead.
Guess that says it all!!!!!:highhorse:
Moondance
07-11-2006, 05:50 PM
I sent an email to Chris Winterman, the contact person listed on Huguenot's web site. He's the HNIC. I told him we do 'aerial maneuvers', but wear helmets, observe the No Wake Zone, yadda yadda. I had to find out for myself what the deal was.
(http://www.coj.net/Departments/Parks+and+Recreation/Recreation+Activities/Huguenot+Memorial+Park.htm)
And here's the reply I got:
Andy, There are no changes taking place due to the accident. Everyone
at the park did their job to prevent the accident, even had a lifeguard
ride out and speak with them 2 hours prior to the incident due to their
carelessness and they were ejected from the park the previous day for
not observing the no wake. You are welcome to come to the park and
trick ride, however, I would stop by one of the lifeguard towers and let
them know your intentions or you may get some unwanted attention. The
station closest to where you will be riding would be your best bet. The
guards and the Sheriffs Officers are of course a little cautious
regarding jetskis for the time being.
Christopher
Sounds good to me. :biggthumpup:Great thinking WAB...good to see you're stepping in & trying to give a positive spin to the sport in spite of someone else's dumbassness:cheer:
Prem1x
07-11-2006, 05:53 PM
Yes, the dead guy was a dumbass before he was dead.
Easy now, we are still talking about a dead person
albiet a couch rider.
sjkawgirl
07-11-2006, 07:39 PM
albiet a couch rider.
:rolleyes:
kawasakit2me
07-11-2006, 08:22 PM
Easy now, we are still talking about a dead person
albiet a couch rider.
:haha: :bigeyes:
ouch
yamaslut
07-12-2006, 10:05 AM
I sent an email to Chris Winterman, the contact person listed on Huguenot's web site. He's the HNIC. I told him we do 'aerial maneuvers', but wear helmets, observe the No Wake Zone, yadda yadda. I had to find out for myself what the deal was.
(http://www.coj.net/Departments/Parks+and+Recreation/Recreation+Activities/Huguenot+Memorial+Park.htm)
And here's the reply I got:
Andy, There are no changes taking place due to the accident. Everyone
at the park did their job to prevent the accident, even had a lifeguard
ride out and speak with them 2 hours prior to the incident due to their
carelessness and they were ejected from the park the previous day for
not observing the no wake. You are welcome to come to the park and
trick ride, however, I would stop by one of the lifeguard towers and let
them know your intentions or you may get some unwanted attention. The
station closest to where you will be riding would be your best bet. The
guards and the Sheriffs Officers are of course a little cautious
regarding jetskis for the time being.
Christopher
Sounds good to me. :biggthumpup:
see.... they threw them out cause they suck
butti
07-12-2006, 10:19 AM
see.... they threw them out cause they suck
i had a feeling that was the case:rolleyes:
well, at least we know that hugenutz is not down and out.......
unlike sebby :bs2:
Ollie Rastabean
07-12-2006, 11:26 AM
well, at least we know that hugenutz is not down and out.......
unlike sebby :bs2:
what is wrong with Sebby??
-O
yamaslut
07-12-2006, 11:39 AM
what is wrong with Sebby??
-O
he was refering to the BS cops telling us to not do rolls and flips w/i 100 feet of each other...
he was refering to the BS cops telling us to not do rolls and flips w/i 100 feet of each other...
and the no pulling up to the water with the vehicles......
O, you dont know what your missin' up here man.........
yamaslut
07-12-2006, 02:17 PM
and the no pulling up to the water with the vehicles......
O, you dont know what your missin' up here man.........
YEah... it just doesn't compare to North Florida anymore
Kingtut
07-12-2006, 02:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WAB
Yes, the dead guy was a dumbass before he was dead.
Easy now, we are still talking about a dead person
albiet a couch rider.
Are we gonna hurt his feelings?
Ollie Rastabean
07-12-2006, 05:31 PM
and the no pulling up to the water with the vehicles......
O, you dont know what your missin' up here man.........
I hear ya. I hope to know soon what I have been missing.:sneaky:
Those water cops were only CG reservists lookin for something to do. They did not end up giving any of us tickets.
-O
I hear ya. I hope to know soon what I have been missing.:sneaky:
Those water cops were only CG reservists lookin for something to do. They did not end up giving any of us tickets.
-O
well get on it bitch...........casa Idok, the 22nd..............:Banane09:
(and dont forget to bring your hot wife :sneaky: )
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