site changes

[SuperJETT]

I'm tweaking some stuff to decrease our server load. Some items may have to be nixed, like the Who's Online.

[sjkawgirl]

I hate to see " who's online" go away. I would rather see the newest member go away and even the calendar of upcoming events LISTINGS on the front page could go. All we have to do is click on the calendar tab at the top to see the info.

[SuperJETT]

I hate to see " who's online" go away. I would rather see the newest member go away and even the calendar of upcoming events LISTINGS on the front page could go. All we have to do is click on the calendar tab at the top to see the info.

Believe it or not, those are going away ALSO until I get the server load under control, then I'll start adding things back.

[SuperJETT]

Ok, I'm disabling more and more things to see what our minimum load *can* be.

However, from talking with another webmaster running vbulletin on Dreamhost, it sounds like we won't be able to get within their limits on cpu usage due to how they have php setup to run.

So, where do we go?

Possibly to another host the runs php as an Apache module instead of cgi so that the cpu minutes will be much lower. This would still be a shared server. Price-wise, probably a little more but within our advertising $$ for now.

Possibly to a dedicated server, but those are $150+ per month. No way can we afford it unless we run the site as a subscription-based thing for like $1/month maybe. If we went that route, we could do away with advertising because the subscriptions would pay for the hosting and as before any extra goes back to the events, not our pockets.

Temporarily if we get suspended, I can move the site to a server at my work but it's only a T1 connection so I'd have to severely limit attachments or do away with them and let everyone use off-site image hosting. I'd rather not go that route.

Feedback? BTW, it's not just a "throw more money at them" deal, Dreamhost doesn't have any dedicated servers available currently, and you can't just pay for more cpu usage.

[Moondance]

I say do whatever it takes to keep it fast, exciting, enticing & home to a growing group of enthusiasts. This is a great & unique site & I for one will be willing do pay a subscription fee to keep it on top.

[njfl]

The dedicated server/subscription sounds like a reasonable possibility. Would this allow us to be able to post large pictures once again? It's kind of a pain to crop and resize pictures to post them within the allowable limits.

Would there be any other added-benefits of the dedicated server route?

[Mark44]

Do what ever it takes, I will pay right now! I do believe if it is a pay site it may be harder to get new users.

I really have no idea what all the tech info means that you posted just keep up the good work.

Mark44

[Rickster]

$1 per month, what a rip off!:biggrin:

I have no problems paying for speed and usability. Make it a little bit more per year, and throw in some X-H2O stickers in as well.:biggthumpup:

[SuperJETT]

I forgot to add the final option, shut the site down and we all go back to pwctoday, sea-doo.net, jetskinews, wherever.

[The Penguin]

uhhhhh....NO

[Frosty]

If it means you will be able to enable some of the other lost features... then I'm ok with Pay Per View... I liked seeing the who's on line area, and I liked the number of posts since my last visit counter... so, whatever it takes bro... I'm in.

Instead of $12/year ($1/month) maybe make it $25/year and when you subscribe you get a decal and a t-shirt or something... just a thought.. that might help with luring newbies to the site who might otherwise be detured from wanted to join.

[Moondance]

I forgot to add the final option, shut the site down and we all go back to pwctoday, sea-doo.net, jetskinews, wherever.:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: ........wait, you're kidding, right?!?!?!


(hehe, yu so funna)

[Mark44]

I forgot to add the final option, shut the site down and we all go back to pwctoday, sea-doo.net, jetskinews, wherever.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKKKK............:bigeyes: :bigeyes: :bigeyes: :bigeyes:

Mark44

[SXIPro]

I forgot to add the final option, shut the site down and we all go back to pwctoday, sea-doo.net, jetskinews, wherever.

:banghead: God Forbid...pwcyesterday is no fun anymore, and jetskinews gets about 1 new post a week...

I'm willing to pay to play...

[njfl]

Keep in mind that although you state $1/month, you would probably want to do a once-a-year charge of $12.00 to reduce administrative hassles of keeping up with who is up to date on payment.

[SuperJETT]

Keep in mind that although you state $1/month, you would probably want to do a once-a-year charge of $12.00 to reduce administrative hassles of keeping up with who is up to date on payment.

yes, but that's an administrative issue to be figured out later on. there are a lot of options on payments. I'd rather not get into the t-shirt/sticker thing because we'd be sending out a TON of them every week. We don't run this site to make money, so anything that makes more work for us just makes it more of a job without pay.

[T-bone]

would it help if you got ride of the upload and just used a image hosting service? its easy enough to use something like imagevenue.

[onesojourner]

I wouldnt mind paying but if I was new no way in heck would I pay for a forum. I wouldnt mind loosing the attachments we always have places like imageshack.us that would work great to host our pics. I think paying should be a last resort.

[SuperJETT]

would it help if you got ride of the upload and just used a image hosting service? its easy enough to use something like imagevenue.

No, we're averaging 125,000 pages/day or so with peaks around 150,000 and the way they have PHP set to run causes high cpu usage. We're just becoming a big site and need a hosting package to match, the problem is we're too big for a shared package probably but not big enough to really need a dedicated yet, and definitely don't have enough money coming in to pay for a dedicated.

[T-bone]

:banghead: God Forbid...pwcyesterday is no fun anymore, and jetskinews gets about 1 new post a week...

I'm willing to pay to play...


can you imagine if one day we all showed up posting there, the polaris/honda/tigershark guys would have a cow...........i mean we would be starting all these new threads about our freashly washed sj's and howto gwt along with the enviroment more.

[T-bone]

look at www.motonews.com, mototalk is a member only board and their going like gang busters, but they also do alot of advertising and im sure its a "for profit" forum, so that might end up turning your hobby into a buisness

[Rickster]

Keep the upload feature, and ask for donations. I hate having to go to hosting sites.

Many of us donated to PWCToday back in the day, and would do if for the X.

$15-25 per year is only one tank of gas.

Although this site is non-profit, it still take $$$ to run it, and any extra proceeds can go toward food/drink/giveaways/advertising etc at the freerides.:Banane01: :cheer: :Banane01: :cheer:

[Blaster94]

I second the member donations route.

[PancakePete]

Darin,
Can we all pitch in and get up grades or something. I keep seeing things get taken out. Chat, whos online, viewing things. I know its hard, I just think the site should grow.. I can raise money quickly and I want our site to grow not get cut on things... I mean the best with this post.... I will do whatever nessecary... Give a call if needs be.

Its like we are getting bigger and more people and we have to cut things because of that... as we grow bigger lets do more things and bring all that stuff back... Let me know.. I have $$ right now for the site !

[SuperJETT]

Dedicated is probably where we need to be, which means ~$200/month. That's a lot of money. $12/year from all active users would cover it plus provide money for events. That would allow us to bring back all the cool features plus add new ones.

[PancakePete]

Dedicated is probably where we need to be, which means ~$200/month. That's a lot of money. $12/year from all active users would cover it plus provide money for events. That would allow us to bring back all the cool features plus add new ones.

I would like to start a post and get a donation started... Is that ok Admins ? I am also going to ask Ross and Jerry, we were going to Donate the Double Barrel Fund.... I think we found were to do it ! :biggthumpup:

that will be first months and then some... then we can start donations. If we move to the big surver and nobody pitches in for next months. I will personally Pay Half ! Cool ?

[Rickster]

Darin,

Make it optional and see where it lands. I would never had paid Rob and Bobby in the beginning if it was required, I probably would have wound up on some other site.

Once I found out how valuable the site was, I gladly paid a donation.

Set up a paypal account, and let's get some speed going!

Rick

[Mark44]

I would like to start a post and get a donation started... Is that ok Admins ? I am also going to ask Ross and Jerry, we were going to Donate the Double Barrel Fund.... I think we found were to do it ! :biggthumpup:

that will be first months and then some... then we can start donations. If we move to the big surver and nobody pitches in for next months. I will personally Pay Half ! Cool ?


Count me in for whatever it takes!

Mark44

[SuperJETT]

Hold on, we don't have a hosting company or a server yet.

[Mark44]

Hold on, we don't have a hosting company or a server yet.


Whats the hold up? its been a couple hours since you started this thread.:smile:

[PancakePete]

Hold on, we don't have a hosting company or a server yet.

Say when. I am going to talk to Ross and Jerry to get you first months and then some ! :biggthumpup:

[SuperJETT]

Maybe an easier option would be for some of the companies to step up with advertising $$. We'd only need 6-7 more to cover the hosting completely.

[SuperJETT]

One other thing, the reason I'm being so open about this is because it's not "my site" or Paul's or Harrison's, we just keep it pointed in the right direction (we hope). It's the users' site so everyone needs to know what's going on and help make decisions when needed just like what happens with the freerides.

[PancakePete]

One other thing, the reason I'm being so open about this is because it's not "my site" or Paul's or Harrison's, we just keep it pointed in the right direction (we hope). It's the users' site so everyone needs to know what's going on and help make decisions when needed just like what happens with the freerides.

Lets mass email the user list and ask opinions. Lots of peeps probly miss the thread. All in all, I appreciate what you guys do and I am in to keep this site with some Bling factor not cut factor.... :Banane01:

[Rickster]

How many users are on this site that have more than like 50 posts?

I was going through the registered user list, and there are 600+ users but alot of them have never posted.

[Moondance]

One other thing, the reason I'm being so open about this is because it's not "my site" or Paul's or Harrison's, we just keep it pointed in the right direction (we hope). It's the users' site so everyone needs to know what's going on and help make decisions when needed just like what happens with the freerides.
Lets mass email the user list and ask opinions. Lots of peeps probly miss the thread. All in all, I appreciate what you guys do and I am in to keep this site with some Bling factor not cut factor.... :Banane01::cheer: Agreed & appreciated on all accounts!:cheer:

[Frosty]

There you go bro... do a pay per post... LOL... seriously... charge like a penney a post, and at the end of each month charge the users CC for the posts... Also, posts that have attachments could cost like $.1 or something.

ie... a user posts 400 times in a month, they pay what $4 for that month... And if the user posted 10 attachments they would pay an additional $1. This way users who do not post much will pay less, as they did not contribute as much to the site load.

of course, less posting users would still have the bennefit of all the good dialog and information on the site... so I'm not sure what the benefit of posting for some people would be...

And would be much more complex and require more admin work... so... maybe not a good idea after all... sorry, but just brainstorming to try and come up with a way to help... Whatever eveyone decides... I'm in...

[Dollar Bill]

One other thing, the reason I'm being so open about this is because it's not "my site" or Paul's or Harrison's, we just keep it pointed in the right direction (we hope). It's the users' site so everyone needs to know what's going on and help make decisions when needed just like what happens with the freerides.
That's the kind of attitude that will set this site apart and help it grow.
I think the money should come from advertising dollars and voluntary contributions. I'm willing to pitch in but I don't think the site will reach its full potential if restricted to paid members only.

[SuperJETT]

Here are our cpu usage minutes since I've been tracking them:

5/18 Thursday: 221
5/19 Friday: 153
5/20 Saturday: 117
5/21 Sunday: 209
5/22 Monday: 435
5/23 Tuesday: 390
5/24 Wednesday: 351

Our "limit" is 60.

From what I've read, running PHP the way it is with this host causes it to use around 6 times what it should.

Notice that even on Saturday during the Riot Ride, we were right at double our limit.

[Phill]

That's the kind of attitude that will set this site apart and help it grow.
I think the money should come from advertising dollars and voluntary contributions. I'm willing to pitch in but I don't think the site will reach its full potential if restricted to paid members only.



Keep it free so you dont run off new people .... ask for donations from members.





If we went that route, we could do away with advertising because the subscriptions would pay for the hosting and as before any extra goes back to the events, not our pockets.


Dont get rid of the advertising....its nice to know who supports us!

[SuperJETT]

Ok, we're working on several different approaches to this, so we'll see where we end up.


I have an extra server I'm not using, I can setup Linux on it and have it colocated at a datacenter for under $100/month. The server is over 3 years old though and I'm not great on Linux, just capable.
Find a different hosting company that runs PHP properly.
Get more advertisers so we can cover a dedicated server somewhere, we'll need several more companies to help support the site/sport or a few more plus donations that would have to be sustained over time.
Move the site to my webserver at work. Costs nothing, and it's only a T1 circuit so pics will probably be slow, plus it would only be temporary becuase I really can't do that permanently.
There are a couple of other options that have been sent my way.A dedicated server is the best option IMO. It would allow us full control so we can add all the cool features back and not worry about impacting other sites.

[PancakePete]

A dedicated server is the best option IMO. It would allow us full control so we can add all the cool features back and not worry about impacting other sites.


:cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

Let X know what and how we can help ! :biggthumpup:

[Big Kahuna]

Either Advertising sales and or Donations, making it a pay only site would be detrimental...........

Darin, thanks for the hard work.

[Frosty]

Let us know when you are ready to accept donations, and to what Pay Pal address to send them... I am ready to do my part to support this great site.

:Banane01: :Banane01: :Banane01: :Banane01:

[MILF]

One other thing, the reason I'm being so open about this is because it's not "my site" or Paul's or Harrison's, we just keep it pointed in the right direction (we hope). It's the users' site so everyone needs to know what's going on and help make decisions when needed just like what happens with the freerides.

Let me know what I can do to help - as an individual and/or a company....:cheer:

[Big Kahuna]

Uh Huh......... you posting but not answering the phone!!!!!!!!!


;)

[romack991]

how about having next freeride support the X instead of a community organization? It sounds like one ride a year would fund the X.

Then the rest could help out the orginzations.

[guiness92]

I was thinking the same thing.

[steve802cc]

Dedicated is probably where we need to be, which means ~$200/month. That's a lot of money. $12/year from all active users would cover it plus provide money for events. That would allow us to bring back all the cool features plus add new ones.


I would like to start a post and get a donation started... Is that ok Admins ? I am also going to ask Ross and Jerry, we were going to Donate the Double Barrel Fund.... I think we found were to do it ! :biggthumpup:

I like the donation idea like we had at PWCToday.
Anybody have any idea how much money that brought in??


that will be first months and then some... then we can start donations. If we move to the big surver and nobody pitches in for next months. I will personally Pay Half ! Cool ?

I'll match Pete's offer. I'll put up the other half of the next months $200 if the donations don't cover it.

Later
Steve

[cookerq62]

What about something like PBS does? where you pay like $10 for a sticker $25 for a t shirt and a sticker and $75 for a DVD, tshirt, and sticker. I also like the idea of how pwctoday had the different levels of supporters. A subscription fee would not attract new members.

[WaHoo_1]

Just remember how tight of a community this is and how valuable a resource this site has become to all of us. I like the idea(s) of donations, more advertising, and a designated ride of the year to help cover costs of the site. Rock on bruthas! Keep up the good work Jett!
:headbang:

[Big Kahuna]

I dont feel we need to show levels of support kinda like bragging..........

T Shirt, Stickers etc is a good idea, but unfortunately, Like Darin said, we all work full time jobs (50 hrs a week minimum for me). Trying to send out T Shirts and stickers would take entirely too much time, then when we forget to send one out, someone will be screaming bloody murder.........

[SJ/XPBri]

I say sell it to SBT for a huge chunk of change, then start a new site with the profit :biggrin:
Honestly, I'm all for donations :biggthumpup:
Bri

[PancakePete]

I like the donation idea like we had at PWCToday.
Anybody have any idea how much money that brought in??



I'll match Pete's offer. I'll put up the other half of the next months $200 if the donations don't cover it.

Later
Steve

THat is Awesome Steve ! I keep sending alot of people here and I want
to have us shining... From features to bandwith or whatever the
gigaplexasurver we need. I am so ready to pic up some of the tab.
It will be well worth it to keep our Freeride Family together and then
some. I just sent all the Region 8 racers and riders over here to x... Even
some of the Promoters were showing some intrest... I should Probly bring
some stickers to Wildwood this weekend.

[crab]

:banghead: God Forbid...pwcyesterday is no fun anymore, and jetskinews gets about 1 new post a week...

I'm willing to pay to play...
JSN seemed like it lost a lot of momentum with the split in the local freeride group, a lot fewer posts.

My 2 cents, throw a paypal donation button up top. Even if 1/3 the users paid the $1 per month it should cover the $200.

[waxhead]

how much doe sit cost to advertise

i am also on in for a $1 a month or 25 for a t-shirt

Its a great site i dont want to see it get held back because of budget

[SJBrit]

THat is Awesome Steve ! I keep sending alot of people here and I want
to have us shining... From features to bandwith or whatever the
gigaplexasurver we need. I am so ready to pic up some of the tab.
It will be well worth it to keep our Freeride Family together and then
some. I just sent all the Region 8 racers and riders over here to x... Even
some of the Promoters were showing some intrest... I should Probly bring
some stickers to Wildwood this weekend.

It's weird - there's this "PancakePete" guy who used to post on PWCT who was a complete jerk - had a huge sig line and everything! Nothing like the cool, supportive, giving guy that we have over here.... :wink: :27:

You rock Pete - you too Steve. Just point me to the Paypal button: I'm ready.

[Anthony]

However, from talking with another webmaster running vbulletin on Dreamhost, it sounds like we won't be able to get within their limits on cpu usage due to how they have php setup to run.

Crap, they run it as a CGI....grrrrrrr. I didn't even check for that when I recommended and clearly that is a problem for a larger site (I use them mostly for mom & pop size sites so its never really a problem).

My apologies for that slip.

Let me know what I can do to help.

[sjkawgirl]

I'm cool with the $12 a year subscription or a paypal donation option.

I also really like the idea of a "support the X" ride. Or even a support the x donation box at each ride. I think you might acually raise more money with less adminstration work that way.

Heck, rasing money at a ride could acutally be fun...charge for Tigger's and Moons green shots... Photos ops with Par Daddy in his speedo, or maybe we could have that penguin fellow poll dance for tips?:shocked:

[Gainera2582]

Donations should be optional personally just like pwctoday. I know we all want to help out, but we dont want to scare noobs away by making this a pay site by paying by post or monthly.


Btw, Im down for 25/year for a donation as long as I get a tshirt to represent my site :Banane01: :Banane01: :Banane01: :Banane01: :Banane01: !!!!!!

[SuperJETT]

On the $25/year option, I am against that after a lot of thought.

What I'm considering now is a combination of all of these, where we do a fundraising campaign to cover our costs for a year (once we find a dedicated server and know the costs).

I'd rather not do it at a ride, the rides are for fun, and worrying about money for the site just doesn't belong IMO.

I'll have to chat with Paul/Harrison about it, but I'm thinking we do one big campaign where we can do t-shirts ONCE, and we're done for the year hopefully. If contributors want a special tag or something for their signature or something, that's cool, but not required.

I do think we'll make one final big push to get advertisers to cover the $$$ and that's where all of the members can help, by telling the companies you deal with which site you frequent and that if they support the site, they are supporting the riders and not buying BMW's for me/Paul/Harrison (though if someone wants to donate one, that's fine with me!).

[superrob750]

I am willing donate my empty can collection next time i fill the barrel up w/ emptys..

[showmepro1200]

Sell stock in the site -

after all the folks move over from 'somewhere else' and then they buy the site, we'll be rich :Banane01: (anyone else notice the seemingly increased flow of persons coming over "just to check this site out" lately??)

[Gainera2582]

I suggest do the shirts and/or hoodies for the X as part of fundraising.

[SuperJETT]

Just so everyone knows, we are not in the business of selling shirts----I don't get paid to pack up shirts and mail them out, etc.

It's possible that we do a one-time thing as a fundraiser, but it's very labor intensive to pack up and mail t-shirts to 200 different addresses. We'll see.

We have some good developments just in the past 24 hours that may secure our future, stay tuned.

[Moondance]

Just so everyone knows, we are not in the business of selling shirts----I don't get paid to pack up shirts and mail them out, etc.

It's possible that we do a one-time thing as a fundraiser, but it's very labor intensive to pack up and mail t-shirts to 200 different addresses. We'll see.

We have some good developments just in the past 24 hours that may secure our future, stay tuned.:hail: Thanks for all your hard work & I know whatever decisions are made will be best for the site & all of us involved. Let us know what we can do to help.:hail:

[Ross_C]

I had a little discussion w/ Pete via PM about this and so long as everyone who has donated to the double challengs is ok with it...I say the $$ would be best spent promoting our sport and what we love to do via puting it back in to the website. My plan was to donate it to a worth cause anyway.

Also, I think donations are the way to go. Just creates less hassel for the admins that way, and I am sure if there is a thread or something on the front page that states a goal, and how close/far we are from achieving it...people will be motivated to donate.

We are part of a great and very generous community and I think we could raise all we need by simply asking for it.

Manditory subscriptions would isolate our selves and would cut us off from new members, and I think that is the opposite of what we are going for.

I will gladly donate to help out the site...

[Idok]

you could charge a penny a post!!!

(that might at least shut slutty up for awhile :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: ):sneaky:

[Superjet3]

Out of curiosity what would it cost to build our own server... Of course big enough to for expansion. Cant you lease that ******** form dell? That way it is always updated. I never really looked into it but I am sure you have. Just didnt see it mentioned. I will donate so let me know.

[kingnothing3]

ill do what it takes to keep the site going with the extras like whos online, chat, and everything else.

pete and steve you guys are the sh*t!!!:Banane01:

i like all the ideas so far. And i dont think that donating the money raised at a freeride to the site would take any of the fun out of it. If anything it would make me feel a little better to be supporting something im a part of instead of the georgia youth sheriffs or whatever that was. but then again i do understand the need to giveback to the communitees we have the rides in.

keep up the good work!

[SuperJETT]

Well, it's a leap of faith, I've started the process of moving to a new host. Expect some downtime this weekend at some point.

Go ride if the site is down, or at least look at your ski.

[PAIR-A-DICE]

Well, it's a leap of faith, I've started the process of moving to a new host. Expect some downtime this weekend at some point.

Go ride if the site is down, or at least look at your ski.


:frown: I can't ride until Monday since the wife is out of town and I have to watch my little girls.

Wait another week, Darin. :cool2:

I'll be happy to make a donation or whatever when you figure it all out.

Ross and Pancaker---awesome of you to volunteer your funds to the site. Both of you guys rock. :arms:

[kawasakit2me]

Just so everyone knows, we are not in the business of selling shirts----I don't get paid to pack up shirts and mail them out, etc.



Totally agree that doing t-shirts could become quite a nuisance. Did anything ever happen with the Cafepress acct that pwct had? I use Cafepress and it's absolutely not a way to make big bucks, but it could be a very hassle free way to let members buy t-shirts, stickers, etc etc. They do all the shipping/dealing with customers. You just collect the checks. Whatever money is made could also be used to purchase your own products in bulk to sell/giveaway at freerides.

Just a sort of off-topic thought. I'd be happy to help maintain it. Maybe we could get Ronny to design some cool schit for us to slap on some products and buy.:cheer: :cool2: :sneaky:

[kawasakit2me]

Hey! Who's online? I can't stand not knowing!

[Moondance]

Hey! Who's online? I can't stand not knowing!hehe....I'm having withdrawals too:biggrin:

[kawasakit2me]

Maybe I'll start a who's online thread as to de-hijack this thread :biggrin:

[raidermike]

Just tell us where to put the money at,i dont think anyone on here would not give something.


Thanks mike

[raidermike]

hehe....I'm having withdrawals too:biggrin:


Me too .whats up with that

[SuperJETT]

Not much complaining, any issues out there?

I'm still working on the ads (sorry to our advertisers, changine php and mysql versions wreaked havoc on the system) and chat.

Other than those, just about everything is re-enabled.

BTW, on Sunday I had the old server's board disabled just about all day and the cpu usage was still ALMOST DOUBLE Dreamhost's limit.

[SuperJETT]

Oh, the only small issue that may come up soon is attachments. I spent some time resizing the attachments from before the 200kb limit to get us down within our disk usage limit. We're ok for a while, but eventually I would like to move them to the Dreamhost account. That takes some hacking of vbulletin. We'll see about that.

[Frosty]

all seams good to me... :Banane01:

[kawasakit2me]

Not much complaining, any issues out there?



LOL! Something's not right. No one's complaining.:haha:

I know you know about the chat not working. No other issues here.:biggthumpup:

[SuperJETT]

Yeah, messed around with chat earlier, no go.

I'll get it later tonight hopefully.

[kawasakit2me]

Cool! Thanks!! :cheer:

[superjetstaruk]

i didn't read all the posts but selling skis and parts is so important to have everyone and anyone see (not just members)... why don't you charge a small amount to list a ski...minimal compared to ebay so people still list them all the time...take it right from paypal

[SuperJETT]

Chat, did someone say chat???

:cheer:

:sneaky:

[Moondance]

Chat, did someone say chat???

:cheer:

:sneaky:whew....DTs & withdrawals were killing me:biggrin:

[djkorn1]

:hail:Whatever you need Darin...I can't imagine keeping a site like this going... I can't even figure out how to post pictures...:hail::hail:I'm in for a sizeable donation... just put up the button to push!
:djsmilie:

[kawasakit2me]

Chat, did someone say chat???

:cheer:

:sneaky:


:cheer: :woot: