Extreme Back Pain....

[yamaslut]

I pulled some muscles in my mid-lower back saturday for about the 1,000 time since I started riding and the this morning the pain is off the map. No matter what position I'm in it feels like someone stabbing me w/ a knife. Is there anything I can do besides drugs???

Someone said horse linement or something like that...

What is the strongest muscle cream????

I'm literally in pain continuously... w/ spasams that will bring you to your knees... oh yeah, I have had pink eye for a week too... I'm just falling apart over here... Someone please come to my house and kill me...

:toothache::toothache::toothache::toothache:

[MADMAT]

Dude this is my life!!! I hang from a pull up bar and hang upside down when I feel the need.

Mine goes out really bad like once per year.

Hanging upside down is a pain but hanging for like 10 minutes from a pull up bar is easy and helps me anyway.

If those 2 things don't fix me I resort to Vicodine and then I go 4 wheeling (trail couching) and all is well after:biggrin:

[crab]

2 things work for me, my Chiro. and a hot tub.

[djkorn1]

That horse stuff smells gnarley, but it works killer! Get your ol lady to give ya a good rub too.

[Frosty]

i'm going to see my deep tissue sports massage therapist this weekend for my lower back muscles. Both side of my lower spine muscles. This guy used to work for the Buffalo Sabres Hockey team and does a killer job.

I kinda over did it two weeks ago doing squats at the gym... sucks.

[Proformance1]

Threw mine out swinging a golf club 5 weeks ago. I have been stretching and slowly working out since then. I make small progress, then have a set back. I am getting better but i'm calling for drugs today.

[Big Kahuna]

moved to Health and Fitness.........

Nick, is this the same pain you were getting a year or so ago??
what did you do then?

[yamaslut]

I always have back soreness, but not like this...
This is a step above the other... I took 5 advil and
that is taking the rough edge off, but I still almost
brings me to tears if I cough or move the wrong way...

I am using Icy Hot pads but they are just not cutting it...
my back is still spasaming w/ them on there...

[blaster800]

dont forget a good ol heating pad ,2-3 times a day along with all of the above ! '' it really works for me '' I lay on mine on the couch or put it behind me when im at the computer , once your back in the game start doing lots of crunches, a strong belly = a strong back , My back stoped hurting when i got back into the crunch game, and my back is much older than yours ! IMO ! PS : stretch EVERY MORNING or before you ride , your not 18 anymore !!!

[Big Kahuna]

I got a table early summer, have not had time to use it much lately........but have not been doing much to cause back pain, not been on a ski since August...........

[yamaslut]

THANKS..

OMG.... I can barley stand up right now...
it takes about 30 seconds and a lot of pain to get to my feet....
I can't wait to go home and lay down... I hope this day goes fast

[Big Kahuna]

Mine is the same only it does not have the swimming pool latter bars to pull up on, just handles that extend upwards.......

yeah, wear shoes and socks...........

[crab]

Sounds like what I went through a couple years ago, anti inflamatory's like Aleve may be in order, bet your doctor puts you on those for a couple weeks. The muscles go into spazm and put pressure on the nerve's, ice and anti inflamatory's got be back to where I could function, but I was not able to pick up anything for at least a month. The Chirodoctor put the bones back in line, and it just took time to get right again. Heal up good and strong for Daytona, should be plenty of time.

[sjetrider]

PM GODOCGO, he should be able to offer an expert opinion.

[MADMAT]

Chiros rock this world!!!!

[yamaslut]

I was under the immpression that chiros were for bones, not muscle

[crab]

Like every other profession, there is good and bad. I too have a history of back issues that goes back to my framing days, if it were not for mine (the best I have ever found, and I have been to a lot of them) I would not be riding today. My back is in better shape today, than it ever was back in the 90's. The hard concept for most people is that the spine is an organ. My problem typically is where the nerves run through the bones in my hips/pelvic, if I lift wrong they go out of alignment and pull muscle in there, putting pressure on the surrounding nerves. And I have 23 degree scoliosis.

[Frosty]

we'll have to agree to disagree on that. forceably cracking joints isnt my idea of good health measures. when sakit2me was in an accident, the insurance co made her go to a chiro. she called and cancelled one of her appointments because she had the flu. the person on the phone actually told her that chiropractic can help with her flu. :rolleyes:

needless to say, she never went back.

i went to a chiro a couple of times... i prefer to stretch good, and approach injury with more of a physical therapy mindset than anything else... rather than crack my joints.

[yamaslut]

Like every other profession, there is good and bad. I too have a history of back issues that goes back to my framing days, if it were not for mine (the best I have ever found, and I have been to a lot of them) I would not be riding today. My back is in better shape today, than it ever was back in the 90's. The hard concept for most people is that the spine is an organ. My problem typically is where the nerves run through the bones in my hips/pelvic, if I lift wrong they go out of alignment and pull muscle in there, putting pressure on the surrounding nerves. And I have 23 degree scoliosis.


I serioulsy think I have some type of problem like that... really sounds like what happens to me...
:crutches:

the pain is always in my hips too

[swanny]

If a Chiro wants to find what is wrong with you and not just adjust they can be very beneficial. Mine found out about my crooked spine and I use to be like Nick all the time. Now with a simple heel lift I have very little to no back issues.

Nick- find out what is wrong if you havent already. MRI, Xrays, Etc. Cant fix an issue without knowing what is causing the issue.


Good luck dude, I feel for ya, backs suck.

[oxnard111]

I love having an uncle that is a Chiro. Free adjustments for life.

[yamaslut]

If a Chiro wants to find what is wrong with you and not just adjust they can be very beneficial. Mine found out about my crooked spine and I use to be like Nick all the time. Now with a simple heel lift I have very little to no back issues.

Nick- find out what is wrong if you havent already. MRI, Xrays, Etc. Cant fix an issue without knowing what is causing the issue.


Good luck dude, I feel for ya, backs suck.

just made an appointment to get the whole process going... God only knows how many ass********s I have to see before they let me go to the specialist. I hate dealing w/ any type of medical people... so much red tape and ********ing bull********

[sjetrider]

just made an appointment to get the whole process going... God only knows how many ass********s I have to see before they let me go to the specialist. I hate dealing w/ any type of medical people... so much red tape and ********ing bull********

I feel the same way bro. But I have friends and a wife with back issues and have noticed that the Chiro's have helped them as much if not more then the specialists and with less red tape BULLSHIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[yamaslut]

oh hell, my new insurance is a PPO, I can go to whatever doc I want...
getting scrips from my doc for MRI and X-rays then go from there...

might need chiro too... whatever works, I'm doing

[jetboy1004]

My Aunt is a chirpractor. She's been treating me for years. Trust me, there are some really bad chiropractors out there and there are some good ones. I used to have to go about twice a week because I had pain like your's Nick. I had to learn how to manage my back muscles, and strengthen them so that they would keep my spine in line. It's very rare that I go to a chiropractor these days. I say, find yourself a good Chiro. You go to a medical doctor and they'll be suggesting rods in you back before you know it.
Oh And swanny, I had the heal lift too. Worked great. You know, 60 percent of people have one leg slightly longer than the other. (My right is shorter.)
Nick, if the Chiropractor doesn't X-ray you before he touches you, Run out of his office. I've had Chiros adjust me with out xraying.....they have no clue what their doing unless they see what's wrong first. If you find a good one...you'll be MUCH happier than going with a medical doctor.

[yamaslut]

My Aunt is a chirpractor. She's been treating me for years. Trust me, there are some really bad chiropractors out there and there are some good ones. I used to have to go about twice a week because I had pain like your's Nick. I had to learn how to manage my back muscles, and strengthen them so that they would keep my spine in line. It's very rare that I go to a chiropractor these days. I say, find yourself a good Chiro. You go to a medical doctor and they'll be suggesting rods in you back before you know it.
Oh And swanny, I had the heal lift too. Worked great. You know, 60 percent of people have one leg slightly longer than the other. (My right is shorter.)
Nick, it the Chiropractor doesn't X-ray you before he touches you, Run out of his office. I've had Chiros adjust me with out xraying.....they have no clue what their doing unless they see what's wrong first. If you find a good one...you'll be MUCH happier than going with a medical doctor.


thanks...

I'll have my own x-rays when I go... no one is cutting into my back either, not for any reason. If it can't be fixed externally it won't be fixed

[jetboy1004]

Having your own X-rays may work if there receant. But if over a month old, any Good Chrio will want to take new ones.
I remember days like your having. I used to get pinched nerves so bad that I couldn't even walk. Literally felt like someone was stabbing me in the lower back with a knife. It may take a week or two with good chripractic care, to feel better. Good luck. just remember, their are crappy ones out there. So, if you find one your not happy with, go somewhere else.
Good luck bro. Hope ya feel better.

[yamaslut]

Having your own X-rays may work if there receant. But if over a month old, any Good Chrio will want to take new ones.
I remember days like your having. I used to get pinched nerves so bad that I couldn't even walk. Literally felt like someone was stabbing me in the lower back with a knife. It may take a week or two with good chripractic care, to feel better. Good luck. just remember, their are crappy ones out there. So, if you find one your not happy with, go somewhere else.
Good luck bro. Hope ya feel better.

thanks...

[crab]

Finding the good one is the hard part, best to go off of others reccomendations, and find one who surveys your back with his hands first. Mine always checks my shoulder tension and massages any tite muscles first, otherwise the adjustment might not take. Now that I'm in good shape, I probably only go every 1-2 months for a tune up. I have also found for me that as soon as I have a problem, go see him. Putting things back in line before the muscles get use to being out of wack seems to help the recovery. My guy works from home full time, use to have his own full tilt practice, and charges $25 per visit.

[yamaslut]

I went and got x-rays of my spine last night... I should have them in a couple days... Could hardly sleep last night... the pain just won't go away no matter what position I'm in...

btw - The doc prescribed me Flexoral and it does nothing for the pain...

oh yeah... I'm going for physical theropy too...

[jetboy1004]

So, did you go to the chiro and get Crunched??

[Frosty]

I went and got x-rays of my spine last night... I should have them in a couple days... Could hardly sleep last night... the pain just won't go away no matter what position I'm in...

btw - The doc prescribed me Flexoral and it does nothing for the pain...

oh yeah... I'm going for physical theropy too...

Good - get that taken care of bro. you don't wanna be making a problem even worse by letting it go too long.

[MADMAT]

A good chiro should give a stand up x ray and show you where you are tweaked.

It was VERY clear on mine.

My left hip was a 1/2" lower than my right hip which caused my spine to twist so that it could be "straight" by the time it got to my head area.

A little tweaking and some good info to take with me and all has been well. Well, at least, not super bad like it was.

I was in your exact position Nick. Couldn't sit, couldn't stand, couldn't lay down.

[yamaslut]

I went to my family doc who wrote me a precription for x-rays... They probably took 15 different shot of my spine and hips, I hope it's enough to find the problem... I just want to get rid of the constant pain...

[Idok]

so im guessing youre out for the TG day ride :(


if you want to drive up there at least I can hook you up with some drops!

[Idok]

A good chiro should give a stand up x ray and show you where you are tweaked.

It was VERY clear on mine.

My left hip was a 1/2" lower than my right hip which caused my spine to twist so that it could be "straight" by the time it got to my head area.

A little tweaking and some good info to take with me and all has been well. Well, at least, not super bad like it was.

I was in your exact position Nick. Couldn't sit, couldn't stand, couldn't lay down.


yup..chiro told me the EXACT same thing..

I went about 5-6 times and she showed me how to "train" my hip keeping it in-line...

now when it starts to move I can twist a certain way and pop it back in...

[yamaslut]

so im guessing youre out for the TG day ride :(


if you want to drive up there at least I can hook you up with some drops!

I'll be out for a while... I'm going to actually listen to the PT and do exactly what they say... It's either get this fixed or no more jumping
for me...

[accbr]

Man that sucks. Nice riding with you the other day. You were pi$$ed after you hurt your back ( then got back out there and threw down a few barrell rolls :crutches: )

Just blame me for making you ride in that small surf :biggrin:

[yamaslut]

Man that sucks. Nice riding with you the other day. You were pi$ after you hurt your back ( then got back out there and threw down a few barrell rolls :crutches: )

Just blame me for making you ride in that small surf :biggrin:

no blame... It was great to meet ya and the wife... Hope you can make it down for the ride in Jan.. I was pised cause I knew I was fed after that...

probably should not have ridden the bike... don't thing the 20 miles I did helped it at all... at least it doesn't hurt when I ride the bike

[accbr]

Nice to meet you and Mrs. Slutty. (That wasn't my wife. Just got rid of the one I had)

I'm sure the bike ride didn't help any, but I have a hard time sitting on the couch when I'm hurt too.

[yamaslut]

Nice to meet you and Mrs. Slutty. (That wasn't my wife. Just got rid of the one I had)

I'm sure the bike ride didn't help any, but I have a hard time sitting on the couch when I'm hurt too.

oh... sorry... don't know whay I though that

[accbr]

No prob. Here's a pic SHE took that day that should cheer you up.

[Robert]

BTW, Nick, he wants to trade bathing suits back.











That pic made me laugh. Amazing some of the stuff you see on the beach in Daytona.

[yamaslut]

:noevil: thanks, now I'm blind and crippled

[vitaly]

:noevil: thanks, now I'm blind and crippled
Call Idok pronto. He'll give you drops and nice soothing massage.

[accbr]

Good thing she didn't get a pic of him when he was walking toward us. :puke:

Sorry for the thread jack. Give your back a rest. I couldn't move a couple weeks ago because I hurt something in my upper back/shoulder. Didn't know if I was gonna be able to ride when I got down there. I just took it easy, and it got better. Do what your doctor says. Get him to give you some good muscle relaxers.

[yamaslut]

I'm gonna have to get some pain pills... I can't take much more of this pain...

I haven't been in pain like this since I severed 4 tendons in my right hand..


the only time I get relief is if I lift myself up out of my chair with my arms and let me torso just hang... That is really making me think I destroyed some cusion between my vertebre

[willycrumb]

Yeah....you need MRI now.

[chasingdaylight]

thanks...

I'll have my own x-rays when I go... no one is cutting into my back either, not for any reason. If it can't be fixed externally it won't be fixed

o' yea wait untill it gets soo bad, :smashfreakB:you can not get out of bed, you can not put on your socks, shower..ect... i tried the ciro, massage, exersize all helped but if you have a major problem it needs repaired, an i've had two back surgerys one lower L4/ L5/s1.. that turned out ok.. wish now that i did major surgery now that ive had my upper back done. i had a bone replaced and fused, i put off that surgery untill i could not even use my left arm or feel my left arm. 3/4 of my spinal cord was pinched due to bone was broken into 10 pieces..( i'm no puss rode daytona like that last year) now i have to take meds at times for lower back.. but 80+ percent better and happy.:439:
yes the bs you have to go through is a pain in the ass:crutches:

[Gainera2582]

Sounds like your back is taking all the load for your activities. I have a few recommendations:

#1 Id recommend strengthening your glutes and abdominals as this seems to be a major cause of back pain in general. Exercises I recommend for this are glute bridges, fire hydrants(where you look like a dog peeing), cat camel(active flexiblity for the back), pillar bridges, side bridges, and/or pushups. Doing at least 1 set of these per day of the bridges work great as well as pushups. THe other exercises I suggested can be done for 2-3 sets of 10 reps.

#2 Do leg exercises like lunges, overhead squats with a pvc bar or broom stick on a daily basis and it will help build your leg strength and core up besides doing needless crunches. 2 sets of 8-10 reps with great form help your flexiblity and strength out in general.

#3 Learn how to use a foam roller(self massage) or tennis ball and find trigger points in your legs, upper back, etc... Most of the time you get spasms in other muscle groups that cause referred pain in other places(i.e. tight piriformis causes sciatica and/or back pain even though its located in the glute). Release these spasms or adhesions and stretch them gently after your sessions and you will start to bulletproof your body from injury. If your unsure of how to do it, going to a massage therapist a few times to help identify your troublespots usually does the trick.

#4 Take a high dose of fish oil. Fish oil reduces infllammation naturally without painkillers and aids in healing. I recommend a dose of 3-4 grams of epa and dha(look on the back of the bottle) and it will build up in your system for any pain that your experiencing.

#5 Learn to stretch daily with movements and use of static stretching before bed or after workout. Movements can be lunges, arm circles, hip circles, ankle circles, etc.... Any dynamic stretch seems to help. It will strengthen the muscles and joints as well as get you out of pain over time.

Above all else, hang from a chinup bar to decompress your spine at the end of the day. Inversion tables are a good substitute, but I recommend less time hanging fully inverted and doing them in for 10 secs then coming back up and repeat 5-6 times.

Just keep moving and don't stop. Back pain does hurt(and I know from experience), but keeping active will stop it and prevent it from further damage.


Good luck,



Aaron

[yamaslut]

o' yea wait untill it gets soo bad, :smashfreakB:you can not get out of bed, you can not put on your socks, shower..ect... i tried the ciro, massage, exersize all helped but if you have a major problem it needs repaired, an i've had two back surgerys one lower L4/ L5/s1.. that turned out ok.. wish now that i did major surgery now that ive had my upper back done. i had a bone replaced and fused, i put off that surgery untill i could not even use my left arm or feel my left arm. 3/4 of my spinal cord was pinched due to bone was broken into 10 pieces..( i'm no puss rode daytona like that last year) now i have to take meds at times for lower back.. but 80+ percent better and happy.:439:
yes the bs you have to go through is a pain in the ass:crutches:

I hear ya... I roll over off the bed, because it hurrts too much to lift myself and putting on socks and tieing my shoes is pure hell too...

I'm thinking the muscle relaxers did calm down the muscles good, but there is still so much pain from the spine...

[swanny]

Flexeralls are pure hell of a pill. I slept for a week on those but I accidentally took three at once of 10mg. Worst week of my life. felst strung out like a junkie, not that I know what that feels like.

On the Chiro- you live in FL. I would call a couple real nice golf courses in your area and ask who some of the big time pro golfers are using. Talk about credibility.

I use Peter Jacobsens old chiro and he is awesome.

Its all about the MRI!!!!

[yamaslut]

Flexeralls are pure hell of a pill. I slept for a week on those but I accidentally took three at once of 10mg. Worst week of my life. felst strung out like a junkie, not that I know what that feels like.

On the Chiro- you live in FL. I would call a couple real nice golf courses in your area and ask who some of the big time pro golfers are using. Talk about credibility.

I use Peter Jacobsens old chiro and he is awesome.

Its all about the MRI!!!!

Last night I took 2 then 3 more and nothing... those flexeralls do nothing (that I can tell) to me but make me wonder why they aren't doing anything...

the doc put me on prednisone too... some freaking steriod of some sort

[vitaly]

Last night I took 2 then 3 more and nothing... those flexeralls do nothing (that I can tell) to me but make me wonder why they aren't doing anything...

the doc put me on prednisone too... some freaking steriod of some sort
So, your doc gave you prednisone (which won't do anything, but possibly reduce swelling or help reduce inflammation if anything), but did not send you for an MRI or x-ray or anything?
What kind of doctor is that?

[MADMAT]

Nick...you HAVE to get an X ray standing up IMO. We are not normal people.

Jet skis tweak us and you can only see it while standing.

[yamaslut]

So, your doc gave you prednisone (which won't do anything, but possibly reduce swelling or help reduce inflammation if anything), but did not send you for an MRI or x-ray or anything?
What kind of doctor is that?

I said I got x-rays last night....

[yamaslut]

Nick...you HAVE to get an X ray standing up IMO. We are not normal people.

Jet skis tweak us and you can only see it while standing.

I'm not gonna tell the radiologist how to do their job...

[vitaly]

I said I got x-rays last night....
Sorry, missed that... oops...

[yamaslut]

Sorry, missed that... oops...

they won't do an MRI till, they rule out skeletal ********

[meatball]

wow, sounds exactly like me up until about a month ago. I've had chronic back pain for about 4 years, and finally got an MRI. I had arthritis already, and so he put me on celebrex. That stuff is basically 6 advils or so, but it wont cause ulcers. My boss recently also threw his back out, and hes pretty screwed now. He has to do physical therapy and is in constant pain. Him not going to the doctor ASAP and ICING his back! Caused the damage to be so much worse.

Hope you feel better

[Jumper]

Sorry to hear about your pain. Hang in there and trust the doctors. They will get you right. The hardest part is probably waiting for everything to happen. Think positive. Be positive. Know that this will pass, that you will be fine, and you will. I am gonna send my Good Karma Mojo your way brother!

[PWW]

I had the same thing happen to me, knocked me to my knees and had trouble moving after that. Went to the chiro, they took xrays, put electrods on my back muscles giving it a little bit of pulsating current. Then was put on my back on a machine that had a roller that went up and down my spine. The last thing he did was to pop my back while I was laying face down. Went 6 or 7 times and have felt great ever since. I remember fealing a lot better after the first visit.

My insurance, BCBS, had a deductible of like 300 and a cap of 600 a year for chiro or I would go more often.

[meatball]

yea, the electro-therapy is pretty awesome, you feel great leaving, however its expensive as hell! Insurance charges me a hella lot for that stuff.

[yamaslut]

Thanks sor the kind words..

I just recently got new (better insurance) and it covers most of the cost. Went to the chiro. last night and got elecro stimulation and ultrasound done on my back... Holy ********!!! Anyone who says chiros don't do ******** are completely retarded... the constant pain is gone, but it still is very very sore and I can't really bend or twist at all...

Insurance covered all but 8$ of it and I'm limited to 26 visits or $2500 worth...

I can get accupuncture too... I think I'm gonna try that... sound interesting.

Going back tonight to review the x-rays and continue my therapy according to what the x-rays tell

[MADMAT]

Nice!!! The soreness is the last thing to go away.

Figure your back has basically been to hell and back.

[GDFL]

Glad to hear you're at least starting to recover. Hopefully he can get you back to 100% soon. (and by soon I mean tomorrow morning)

[yamaslut]

another thing... they told me to put ice on my back not heat... they said the heat dialates and causes it to throb, while the cold constricts the vessels making it not throb. It brings blood from your core to the cold area to warm it up, making it heal faster... I thought it was the other way around...

Anyway, I will know tonight if I have bone damage... lets hope everything is ok on that side of things so I can concentrate on the muscles

[Big Kahuna]

good to hear Nick.

[MADMAT]

I read somewhere that heat is out in sports medicine.

I don't remember where but the article said ice for everything and heat for nothing these days.

[yamaslut]

I read somewhere that heat is out in sports medicine.

I don't remember where but the article said ice for everything and heat for nothing these days.

I must have not gotten that memo... he he he

[sxi steve]

Sounds like you need rest. Heal up, don't push it. I know it's hard to just stop and rest up for a while, being an active dude.

[yamaslut]

Yeah... I really could care less about riding right now, so there is no problem w/ that.

I just want to be able to ride my bike and get exersize though that method since there is no impact...

[jetboy1004]

Glad to hear. Sounds like you found a good one. I forgot about the electro therapy.....That sh**t Ruls right.....always mad my back feel better.



Thanks sor the kind words..

I just recently got new (better insurance) and it covers most of the cost. Went to the chiro. last night and got elecro stimulation and ultrasound done on my back... Holy ********!!! Anyone who says chiros don't do ******** are completely retarded... the constant pain is gone, but it still is very very sore and I can't really bend or twist at all...

Insurance covered all but 8$ of it and I'm limited to 26 visits or $2500 worth...

I can get accupuncture too... I think I'm gonna try that... sound interesting.

Going back tonight to review the x-rays and continue my therapy according to what the x-rays tell

[Odd Duck]

Nick, sounds like you're on the right track. Sorry to take so long to post, home net connection has been down and not all my clinics have net.

So, the pred is indeed a steroid and will help control the pain by controlling inflamation. Do NOT take any NSAIDS (Aleve, Advil, Tylenol, Naproxen, etc. or their generic equivalents) while on any steroid. It can cause GI ulcers very quickly. The Flexoral is only for the muscle spasms and will not do anything for the pinched nerve itself except to minimize the increase in pinching that the muscle spasms cause. It will usually make you sleepy, but not if your pain is severe enough.

Yep, cold/ice is the way to go for the first 72 hours or so, then alternate heat and cold. The cold helps to minimize the inflammation that occurs with the initial injury, then alternating gets blood flow into the inflammed areas (after the initial overreaction of the body) to get toxins and inflammatory by-products out of there.

It is very important to control the inflammation from the start - the chemicals that are released by the inflammatory process actually increase the inflammation and cause pain directly. Then the pain chemicals trigger more inflammation, more pain, more inflam. etc, etc. Hence, the need to control the inflammation initially. Once you get past the first insult and the over-reaction the body tends to have, the inflammatory process works for you to bring blood in for the healing to take place.

Take your time, as soon as you can, start to strengthen your abdominals and spine muscles. Don't let them cut unless you have pretty significant numbness that won't go away with PT.

At least, this is the advice I would give to a dog owner, hee hee.

Get well soon, bro.

[yamaslut]

thanks Sharon...

mucho appreciated!!!!

[Moondance]

Nick,
As you progress along with your chiro, see if he will get you a tens (Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulator) unit. It is the home version of what he uses in the office. I have one & it has been my saving grace. The unit is small enough to clip on your belt or stick in your pocket. I use mine quite often between my regular visits if I'm having flair-ups. In fact, it goes with me to all of the freerides. If you don't have one by then, I'll show it to you in Jan.

[yamaslut]

Nick,
As you progress along with your chiro, see if he will get you a tens (Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulator) unit. It is the home version of what he uses in the office. I have one & it has been my saving grace. The unit is small enough to clip on your belt or stick in your pocket. I use mine quite often between my regular visits if I'm having flair-ups. In fact, it goes with me to all of the freerides. If you don't have one by then, I'll show it to you in Jan.

thanks I'll ask him...

[Sospikey]

A question Slutty? What about using massage? I go to this guy when my muscles are fked up. He "tests" my muscles by sensing tension while doing stretch exercises. About 6 weeks ago my left back region was a mess. By doing these tests he could isolate the problem to stiff muscles in my right hip area. He massaged the sore muscles so they could relax. He also showed how to "self-fix" this by doing some stretch exercises. This could be an alternative treatment if your muscles are shot but the bones are where they should be. Also use the TENS, actually works! You can even use the TENS to build muscle (no joke) with the right settings!
Just my 2 cents....

[IN2-H2O]

Glad to hear the Chiro is working for you, I believe in it 100% and it sounds like you found a good one. While cracking bones is necessary, sometimes it's not always the best treatment. If you liked the electro therapy you should ask around for anyone using Low Intensity Laser Therapy. It's the latest thing in Sports Therapy. Chiro will help you with alignment and subluxation issue's promoting faster healing but the Laser Therapy will help heal the soft tissues in a fraction of the time.

http://practitioners.meditech-bioflex.com/laser-therapy/what-is-laser-therapy-lilt-lllt.php

A Chiropractor friend has been using laser therapy in his office for a couple years now and he swears by it. It picks up where the Chiropractic falls off. His clinical results are incredible, and combining the two practices has had phenominal results for his clients. My Fiance and I are looking at buying 4 units for our own clinic.

We were sold on it after my Fiance was treated. She broke her tailbone 3 years ago and has suffered since with radiating pain down her right leg. She's tried Chiropractic, Massage, Electrotherapy, acupuncture and active pressure release methods with little or no results. As a Chiropractor herself, she believes in the wholistic approach and would never reccommend surgery as an approach to pain relief. Our Chiro friend finally convinced us to fly down to his clinic and get treatment with the laser. She underwent 10 treatments in 5 days and hasn't had any recurring pain since. Low Level Laser Therapy is proving to be one of the best new alternatives to surgery.

Drugs and surgery are never the right answer. Eat Well, Move Well, Think Well! (Dr. James Chestnut. DC, 2005)

And remember to load up on your Omega 3's, it promotes faster healing and helps keep the inflamation down.

Good Luck in you recovery.

[yamaslut]

welll... had a bad relapse saturday that has put me back into extreme pain mode... was riding my bike and jumped off and POP... I tore another muscle and now I have two places on my back that are killing me, along w/ my waist... the worst pain of all is comming from the left side of my waist...

The doc says I have a degenerated disc (L5), but I have not heard him say that was the problem... Went for electro therapy again this morning and am going tonight again... I'm screwed...

After pulling/tearing my muscle again , I'm so scared to do anything now. I'm so paraniod... I'm thinking 6-8 weeks before I ride again... That should put me right at the Freeride...

:ugh:

[Tuttle]

That sucks Nick, Back pain isn't something to play with either. Whatever happens don't go under the knife. If I can help with anything, let me know.
From the way it looks, I won't be riding until the Freeride also. (I hope) Take care of yourself!

[Odd Duck]

Wow, sorry to hear that, Nick. Are you sure you're actually tearing the muscle as opposed to popping a vertebra out of place a little and getting secondary muscle spasms? It's pretty rare to actually tear the muscles (for dogs, anyway).

If you were a dog, I would have the owner go back to icing mode again for 2-3 days, then alternating heat and ice. Don't go extreme with either, ice only until the spasms stop, then go ice for 10 min, off for 20 or 30, heat for 10, off for 30, etc.

Those soft, cold packs are the best, they don't last long enough to get too cold. If you have 2, then the first one is refrozen by the time the second one is getting warm, etc. After you go to the trading off heat and ice it doesn't matter so much.

Get (your dog) back on the Flexoral, too. Those muscles spasms can be as painful or worse than the slipping disc and pinched nerve. The spasms often trigger more pinching and certainly lead to more pain and inflammation thanks to a runaway inflammatory cascade. Are you (ahem, is your dog) still on the pred? If not, talk to your doc again.

[Big Kahuna]

welll... had a bad relapse saturday that has put me back into extreme pain mode... was riding my bike and jumped off and POP... I tore another muscle and now I have two places on my back that are killing me, along w/ my waist... the worst pain of all is comming from the left side of my waist...

The doc says I have a degenerated disc (L5), but I have not heard him say that was the problem... Went for electro therapy again this morning and am going tonight again... I'm screwed...

After pulling/tearing my muscle again , I'm so scared to do anything now. I'm so paraniod... I'm thinking 6-8 weeks before I ride again... That should put me right at the Freeride...

:ugh:

Nick, am I gonna have to come down there and give you a kick in the ass? it not been a week and already you riding the bike.......... take it easy man.......I know it hard for you to but do it................
:banghead::banghead::banghead:

[sxi steve]

Nick, go back and re-read post #76.... :smashfreakB:

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[Hirschfelt]

Yamaslut, sorry to hear about your mis-furtune. I am a Chiropractor and there is great advice on this forum. Ice with any flare ups for 72 hours then do contrast therapy (Moist heat 15-20 min then ice 20 min) Do not ice longer than 24 min because the body will react like its in a state of hypothermia and you will get the same therapuetic results as heat. You always want to end the contrast therapy with ice. Ice will slow nerve conduction = less pain and decrease vasculature = decrease swelling. The Cold laser therapy is great for speedy recoveries. You should be able to find someone in your area that has it for cheap. My buddy charges $10 a session at his practice. The business man will charge you up to $60 a session. WATCHOUT!

Chiropractic restores proper nerve/joint function. Your nerve system controls all of your muscles. Yes Chiropractors adjust bones, but our intent is to reduce nerve irritation. When a vertebra is out of alignment that motion segment loses range of motion, this alters the biomechanics of that joint and those above. The body needs to be mobile. Especially when jetskiing. Your discs and muscles are what is going to be under repititive stress. These stresses all add up to what you are now going through. I doubt that you actually tore your muscle. You may have strained it.

There are good supplements to take that will actually speed up your recovery. At my office I sell Optimal Health Systems. I would recommend you talk to your DC about them. Get the Acute formula and then after that get the chronic. NSAIDs do reduce swelling compared to doing absolutely nothing but they reduce the healing time as well. The Acute formula will reduce swelling at par with NSAIDs but will have faster healing times.

PM me if you want any professional advice.

Healing takes time.

[masterblaster]

lotta good advise here,been dealing with L5 disc problems and back and hip pain for yrs.One of the best things ive found to help cope when your muscles are going into spasm or tightening up is this unit here,works AWSOME

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and if $ isnt a option,as it shouldnt be compared to this kind a pain!!!

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[Proformance1]

This thread has helped me alot. Hope you are feeling better soon Slutty! Went to the doctor and got flexeril, slept alot. Yesterday I went to a PT/Chiro and my spine is all twisted up. Changing monitor position at work and home, and doing some stretching. He is trying to get me back in shape for Daytona. Hopefull it will work.

[surfjunkie]

excellent info hirschfelt. thanks!

Ice will decrease vasculature = decrease swelling.



but something i've always wondered, if inflamation is the body's way of promoting healing, (more blood to the injured area) why are we always trying to do and take things to decrease swelling (inflamation). just seems like we are interrupting natures way of fixing stuff.

[WaveDemon]

damn bro, sorry to hear this is still bothering you. get healed up for the freeride!

[stuntbikemike]

Streching is the most important part of physical activity....if your tight youll strain muscles and be more prone to getting injured....Nick ,,,just strech real good before your go ride anything...

[mybad]

I know that Tractor Supply Center(TSC) sells the horse version of muscle ointment. I was in line behind an 80 year old guy who was buying it last month. I asked the guy what kind of horse he had, and he said an 80 year old one. LOL He swore by the stuff. I believe that is what your were referring to earlier in this thread. If you dont have a store close by you can get in online at Tractorsupply.com.

[Moondance]

I know that Tractor Supply Center(TSC) sells the horse version of muscle ointment. I was in line behind an 80 year old guy who was buying it last month. I asked the guy what kind of horse he had, and he said an 80 year old one. LOL He swore by the stuff. I believe that is what your were referring to earlier in this thread. If you dont have a store close by you can get in online at Tractorsupply.com.
I keep it on hand at all times...great stuff.

[djkorn1]

It smells like ass, but works great.

[Moondance]

It smells like ass, but works great.Well I don't make it a habit of smelling ass, but the one I have smells minty fresh:bigok:

[vitaly]

Streching is the most important part of physical activity....

I know that Tractor Supply Center(TSC) sells the horse version of muscle ointment...

I keep it on hand at all times...great stuff.

Well I don't make it a habit of smelling ass, but the one I have smells minty fresh:bigok:

You lost me again... On hand?...
What did you stretch?

:bad:

[Moondance]

You lost me again... On hand?...
What did you stretch?

:bad:damn foreigner:laugh2:

[vitaly]

damn foreigner:laugh2:
That's just my mexican accent, ask Scorn or Guinness, they know...:Banane36:

[Moondance]

That's just my mexican accent, ask Scorn, he knows...:Banane36:haha....sounds like manlove to me

[vitaly]

haha....sounds like manlove to me
:no:

[Moondance]

:no:
:kiss:

[vitaly]

:kiss:
That's better!

[Hirschfelt]

excellent info hirschfelt. thanks!





but something i've always wondered, if inflamation is the body's way of promoting healing, (more blood to the injured area) why are we always trying to do and take things to decrease swelling (inflamation). just seems like we are interrupting natures way of fixing stuff.


We always want what we can't have. Until we don't have what we once had.

Inflammation/swelling will reduce joint mobility. Motion is what keeps are body’s working. Example a joint out of alignment left uncorrected leads to arthritis. Your venous system uses muscle contraction to return the blood back to the heart. The disc s in your back need motion to supply them with proper nutrients. Without proper alignment, proper motion does not occur, and your disc thins/degenerates under gravity.


With an injury our number one aspect is to regain motion as soon as possible. If a joint is swollen it will not have the proper ROM. Fibrotic/scar tissue will soon set in. This tissue is like the "grizzle" in meat. The elasticity of scar tissue is next to nothing. This will also limit your ROM. Simply, no motion in a swollen joint will have more scar tissue than a joint with motion. Scar tissue is very hard to reduce once present. Preventing scar tissue is key.

We use ice for acute injuries to reduce swelling and pain. This is done so the patient can move/pump the joint. The therapeutic benefit of icing is to aid motion by constricting the vasculature reducing inflammation. Motion is what brings vibrant new blood to the injury and pumps out old blood. Again the venous system requires motion for circulation.

NSAIDs will reduce your inflammation but they slow your ability to heal. (Prolong injury)
I recommend Optimal Health System's Acute formula as an alternative.

I= Ice
C= compression
E=elevation

As for after 72 hours the contrast therapy will facilitate the healing process. To get you back to where you once were. If you do not change your lifestyle at this point you will end up back in the same place again.

We as a society need to start promoting health within ourselves and not look to get healthier once we have reached the bottom. Health is a proactive measure that requires dedication.

As an article in Preventative Medicine noted, modern medicine "... knows virtually nothing of those positive factors responsible for wellness in individuals and societies. There is a need, for attention to early departures from health, not yet expressed as illness, much less as a classifiable disease." The error is, and has long been, in the inappropriate reliance upon late-stage heroic efforts to "save" the already diseased patient.

I feel for every patient of mine. I try to educate everyone on how powerful Chiropractic is. Proper maintenance can reduce your suffering greatly.

Chiropractic, exercise, proper nutrition and supplementation FIRST.
Drugs Second. Surgery Last.

I hope that answers it for ya.

[Odd Duck]

excellent info hirschfelt. thanks!





but something i've always wondered, if inflamation is the body's way of promoting healing, (more blood to the injured area) why are we always trying to do and take things to decrease swelling (inflamation). just seems like we are interrupting natures way of fixing stuff.

The body often gets carried away and produces excessive amounts of inflammation. and swelling that leads to ever more pain, more inflammation, etc in a viscious cycle. All we want to do is control excess inflammation that is detrimental to healing. We can never take away all the inflammation and we wouldn't want to. In the short term, excess inflammation leads to more problems than the original injury. In the long term, low-grade inflammation is your friend, bringing in blood to the area and stimulating healing.

Minimizing scar tissue IS vitaly important, not just in the spine, but in any joint, muscle, nerve, skin, etc. The inflammation that occurs from the original insult, then in the first few days in particular, will largely determine how much scarring occurs. So, controlling inflammation for the first few days is really critical - hence the ice. Then as that first burst of inflammation starts to clear, we want to stimulate more circulation. This will help move out toxins and help the immune system to start clearing out damaged cells and let the body start to rebuild at the microscopic level.

I could go into what happens at the chemical level, but then I'd have to break out the books to be accurate and for sure that would bore 99.9% of everyone half to death.

It boils down to limiting EXCESS inflammation, then letting the system work for you in a controlled manner.

[surfjunkie]

We as a society need to start promoting health within ourselves and not look to get healthier once we have reached the bottom. Health is a proactive measure that requires dedication.


i agree with that.


thanks for the explaination on reducing swelling. no one has ever layed it out like that. makes sense.

great advice and info. thanks

[yamaslut]

wow.... great advice...

Thanks Hirschfelt, I will be contacting you through PM's

[Speleopower]

I just opened this thread. Wow, so sorry to hear of your back problems. Take it easy for sure. When I had heart surgery it was super hard not to get back to skateboarding, kitesurfing etc. I think I rode my skateboard 3 weeks after the surgery which was stupid stupid stupid!!

A friend tore his quadriceps muscle one time while we were weight lifting. It was very very minor but it put him down for several weeks. He just dropped to the ground, it was scary.

Be safe and take it easy.
Scott

[Odd Duck]

Hey, Nick, how's your back doing lately? Weren't you going for a new MRI?

[yamaslut]

Hey, Nick, how's your back doing lately? Weren't you going for a new MRI?

yeah... it came back pretty bad... I am being refered to a Neuro Surgeon...

this is the report:

L 1-2 migrating extruded disc fragment producing impingement and posterior displacement of the left L-1 nerve root as it travereses the left lateral recess superiorily and enters the left nueral formen

L 2-3 tiny posterior central superiorily migrating extruded disc fragment superimposed upon a mild posterior disc bulge. Mild stenosis of the canal and lateral recess

L 3-4 subtle left lateral disc bulge

L 4-5 Mild left postlateral and forminal disc bulge protruding mild stenosis with out definaten nerve root impingment

L 5-S-1 Degerative disc desease w/ small posterior central and left paracentral disc heriation

[Big Kahuna]

you remember that one time you decided not to Bail, maybe you should have!!!!!!

Damn man, but that is what you were telling me on the phone the other day....... when is your appointment?

[Emm]

that sucks Nick....

My mom has the degenerative disk problems......she has had a tough time the last few years.

[yamaslut]

I really don't know when they will get me in... the family doc refered me and she said it could be more than a month...

So I wait.............. I'm assuming this is a bad time of the year to get in, since people will be on vacation and so on...

[Big Kahuna]

Nick, you may want to get your doc to search for a neuro who specializes in sports related injuries.

[yamaslut]

yeah... I will be getting a few opinions... I'm sure they will want to cut into me... that may be the only way I can get better

[MADMAT]

This sucks man. :bs2:

I hope you get some good news in the next round man.

[Odd Duck]

Dang, sorry Nick. There is a lot you can do with PT. My hubby had a disk slipping and was able to recover fully with just PT, but that 's not going to work for everyone. His pain wasn't as persistent as yours has been. If you can manage it, pain wise, you should ask if there are any exercises you can do in the mean time to try and help those discs go back into place.

And I second the sport injury specialist, for sure. Good luck, man! Get well!

[yamaslut]

Thanks...

[Speleopower]

Wow:Eyecrazy:! That's some back problem. I've only met you once and it was a pleasure. I hope to ride with ya again sometime.

I thought my open heart surgery was problematic with playing sports after the surgery. But I don't think it's anything compared to severe back problems.

-Scott

[FL-cracker]

Damn-it man. I finally had some time to view this thread. I didnt know it was all like this. Hope it all works out.

[Gainera2582]

Try a good chiropractor(not a quack that steals your money and look for reports on them) with some pt exercises before you go the surgery route. Cutting should be a last option if all else fails.

[Big Kahuna]

Try a good chiropractor(not a quack that steals your money and look for reports on them) with some pt exercises before you go the surgery route. Cutting should be a last option if all else fails.

Already been to one........

[RAGS]

i went to two months of PT three times a week. it help a little the first week or two after that the PT was hurting my back. i dont know anything about sports med and she may have been doing something wrong for all i know. the only reason i kept going is because after my PT she would give me a deep tissue message for my lower back and then put me on a tens unit for about 30 min. i think the message worked better then anything. it really loosened up all my back strain and leg numbness. i forgot the name but my problem was the muscles in my lower back were pulling by spine sideways and pinching nerves and moving disc around.

and btw did i mention she was fine as hell, redheaded and flirted like crazy when i was getting my message. thats prob the real reason i kept going that and my insurance paid damn near all of it.

[Gainera2582]

Try to get a massage at least a couple times a month as this can help relieve a lot of the pain besides using painkillers.

[yamaslut]

I really think a massage would be very helpful to me, I just have not looked into it...

[Gainera2582]

I really think a massage would be very helpful to me, I just have not looked into it...

From what I know, they cost 45-60 per hour but they are worth every penny for the amount of relief that you get.

Now if you find that actually helps your condition, then its probably muscle related. More than often, back problems are due to muscle imbalances where in most cases, your glutes(the butt muscles) are shut off and the low back and hamstrings have to do all the work to support your body which leads to lots of stress and compression on the low back muscles and knee pain is also common w/this condition.

Usually if the massage therapist is good, they can tell you what is the main cause of the pain and give you a tennis ball remedy to do 1-2 times a day to get rid of the pain or keep it from happening again.

[yamaslut]

I really have never felt so pathetic in my life... I have no confidence in my back at all, I'm afraid to do anything to cause that pain to come back.... My back feels like it's just one twist or bend from being complete pain again... I'm not doing anything at all until I talk to a Neuro Surgeon... I have no clue what to do or who to trust.... This is the biggest pile of sh*t I have ever had to deal w/ physically...

So many people giving me different advice.... I don't know what to think... My life consists of sitting on the couch... I went and shot Saturday and that pretty much took all I had for the day... No stamina or anything going on anymore.... I am sleeping by 9pm every night and still wake up tired and ********ty feeling...

[willycrumb]

Yes it sucks but the last thing you need is to get more depressed. Try and fine something to keep you occupied and just look at it as a year off from riding. Not the end of the world. Hang in there

[yamaslut]

yeah... I hear ya... It's just so difficult to be positive when you have nothing to look forward to.

[Odd Duck]

You might be surprized at what PT can do when you reach that point. I told you my hubby had back problems. He has such severe pain he was home for a week. He's never taken a week off, even with the flu. Heck a chipped bone in his ankle didn't even keep him home for a day.

The PT got him gradually feeling better (over about 3-4 weeks) and now he has no pain from it. He had a partially slipped (extruded) disc, but the exercises they showed him actually help the disc go back into place and keep it there.

There is light at the end of the tunnel, Nick. Get through all the testing and consults and follow the doc's advice. Get a 2nd or 3rd opinion if you need, so you feel comfortable with any decisions you need to make about surgery, etc. Most will want to try PT first.

Hang in there, I know you can do it. Athletes are far more likely than the average person to make it through stuff like this and get completely back to normal. Your body is stronger and more balanced than average. You're just not used to being laid up. Give yourself some time and take care of yourself! Find a doc you can trust and listen to them! It WILL get better. Trust in yourself, too, and the bodies remarkable ability to heal.

[yamaslut]

yeah... I'm sorry, I'm just a whiney bitch sometimes... I'm all better now
:biggthumpup:

......I just want to get started rehabing... the waiting to know is really annoying

[Odd Duck]

Hey, you should HEAR me whine when I'm hurt! We all need it once in a while. Just want you to know we're all pulling for you!

[Speleopower]

You'll pull through. After I had open heart surgery I was back in the water kitesurfing 8 weeks later. :bananapowerslide: You'll get back. Stay as active as possible.
Athletes do have an advantage in surgeries. Plus if you have to have surgery the nurses will be nicer to you because your in good shape.

Later-Scott

[crammit442]

I really have never felt so pathetic in my life... I have no confidence in my back at all, I'm afraid to do anything to cause that pain to come back.... My back feels like it's just one twist or bend from being complete pain again... I'm not doing anything at all until I talk to a Neuro Surgeon... I have no clue what to do or who to trust.... This is the biggest pile of sh*t I have ever had to deal w/ physically...

So many people giving me different advice.... I don't know what to think... My life consists of sitting on the couch... I went and shot Saturday and that pretty much took all I had for the day... No stamina or anything going on anymore.... I am sleeping by 9pm every night and still wake up tired and ********ty feeling...

My brother and I have both been water ski distance jumping for going on 30 years and he ended up w/two herniated discs. His pain sounds similar to yours. His solution after working with a GOOD PT has been stretching, no more jumping, and picking what physical activities he does. He used to run a lot and now rides his road bike instead. He can still ski, but doesn't jump. He's an engineer so he sits at his desk all day and that was causing a lot of problems too. He ended up getting a special chair that was tailored around his measurements and needs and that's helped also. I can find out where he got it. I know he really likes it. As long as he's careful with what he does he's in pretty good shape now. Hopefully you can rehab back into riding shape. Good luck!:cool:

Charles

[yamaslut]

My brother and I have both been water ski distance jumping for going on 30 years and he ended up w/two herniated discs. His pain sounds similar to yours. His solution after working with a GOOD PT has been stretching, no more jumping, and picking what physical activities he does. He used to run a lot and now rides his road bike instead. He can still ski, but doesn't jump. He's an engineer so he sits at his desk all day and that was causing a lot of problems too. He ended up getting a special chair that was tailored around his measurements and needs and that's helped also. I can find out where he got it. I know he really likes it. As long as he's careful with what he does he's in pretty good shape now. Hopefully you can rehab back into riding shape. Good luck!:cool:

Charles

Wow, I can live w/ that...
That's exactly how I envision my recovery to be (hopefully)... pretty much stop jumping and just shred... Thanks for the post...

I sit at a desk all day too and was wondering if that caused any problems... I am going to look into another chair..

[Moondance]

Wow, I can live w/ that...
That's exactly how I envision my recovery to be (hopefully)... pretty much stop jumping and just shred... Thanks for the post...

I sit at a desk all day too and was wondering if that caused any problems... I am going to look into another chair..YES...You need to make sure you are getting up very often to stretch. When I was going thru my many PT sessions, that was the recurring advice from all of the therapists. The more you sit, the shorter/tighter your hamstring/thigh muscles become. This causes more pull & strain on your back. As painful as it sounds right now, you should try to bend at the waist some to stretch those muscles out. Even if you can't touch your toes, it still helps. Keep your knees soft while you're doing it & that will help ease the pain too.

[yamaslut]

My brother and I have both been water ski distance jumping for going on 30 years and he ended up w/two herniated discs. His pain sounds similar to yours. His solution after working with a GOOD PT has been stretching, no more jumping, and picking what physical activities he does. He used to run a lot and now rides his road bike instead. He can still ski, but doesn't jump. He's an engineer so he sits at his desk all day and that was causing a lot of problems too. He ended up getting a special chair that was tailored around his measurements and needs and that's helped also. I can find out where he got it. I know he really likes it. As long as he's careful with what he does he's in pretty good shape now. Hopefully you can rehab back into riding shape. Good luck!:cool:

Charles

YES...You need to make sure you are getting up very often to stretch. When I was going thru my many PT sessions, that was the recurring advice from all of the therapists. The more you sit, the shorter/tighter your hamstring/thigh muscles become. This causes more pull & strain on your back. As painful as it sounds right now, you should try to bend at the waist some to stretch those muscles out. Even if you can't touch your toes, it still helps. Keep your knees soft while you're doing it & that will help ease the pain too.

I really would love to stretch, but that is not even an option right now... I really can't bend at the waist w/o severe pain. Doc told me to wait till after I see the Neuro Sergeon to do anything... I have to stick w/ that now, cause I have already re-injured it once and don't want to do it again...

[Moondance]

I really would love to stretch, but that is not even an option right now... I really can't bend at the waist w/o severe pain. Doc told me to wait till after I see the Neuro Sergeon to do anything... I have to stick w/ that now, cause I have already re-injured it once and don't want to do it again...
That really sucks...try to walk around then as much as you can. Anything to keep the muscles loose.

[yamaslut]

That really sucks...try to walk around then as much as you can. Anything to keep the muscles loose.

I am doing some walking... just really afraid to bend too much till I talk to a pro... I'm pretty much pain free right now w/ the occasional spike, but very tolerable and I want to keep it that way... I have not been taking any pain pills for a over almost 2 weeks and just doing the Cyclobenzaprine... (muscle relaxers) to keep the muscles loose

[wishihad]

yeah... it came back pretty bad... I am being refered to a Neuro Surgeon...

this is the report:

L 1-2 migrating extruded disc fragment producing impingement and posterior displacement of the left L-1 nerve root as it travereses the left lateral recess superiorily and enters the left nueral formen

L 2-3 tiny posterior central superiorily migrating extruded disc fragment superimposed upon a mild posterior disc bulge. Mild stenosis of the canal and lateral recess

L 3-4 subtle left lateral disc bulge

L 4-5 Mild left postlateral and forminal disc bulge protruding mild stenosis with out definaten nerve root impingment

L 5-S-1 Degerative disc desease w/ small posterior central and left paracentral disc heriation


Wow! This reads just like my 1st MRI over 6 years ago. Sorry dude I know it hurts like a MadaFer! FWIW I cycled thru periods of no pain and intense pain on about a 4 month cycle for a few years until last July when my L4-5 disc ruptured and floored me. I found a doc willing to surgically retrieve the disc fragments but not fuse (bolt together) the vertebra. From what I'd read for peeps with deg. disc fusing causes more stress on the disc above and below and ultimately causes them to fail soon after.

On a side note after my surgery I ran into a sales rep that sells implants to back docs and he told me that I "got a good one." He went on to say that much like auto mechanics there are good and really bad back docs and as a surgical implant sales representative he works with all the docs in the area and sits in on actual surgeries while his devices are being installed. As a result he has seen doctors that freak out and start yelling and cussing if something goes wrong, docs that time them selves to see how fast they can complete a surgery, etc... So my point is, if you choose to have surgery, it might behoove you too track down a sales representative for spinal surgical implants and buy him or her a beer and get a recommendation.

My 2cents!

Good luck!

FYI – I‘m 6 months out of my surgery and have been pain free for the past 30days. I've also resumed regular activity including flat/cold water riding and carrying my 5 year old around Disney World for 5 days!

[yamaslut]

great advice...

If you don't mind... pm me your number, I want to ask you some stuff.


Wow! This reads just like my 1st MRI over 6 years ago. Sorry dude I know it hurts like a MadaFer! FWIW I cycled thru periods of no pain and intense pain on about a 4 month cycle for a few years until last July when my L4-5 disc ruptured and floored me. I found a doc willing to surgically retrieve the disc fragments but not fuse (bolt together) the vertebra. From what I'd read for peeps with deg. disc fusing causes more stress on the disc above and below and ultimately causes them to fail soon after.

On a side note after my surgery I ran into a sales rep that sells implants to back docs and he told me that I "got a good one." He went on to say that much like auto mechanics there are good and really bad back docs and as a surgical implant sales representative he works with all the docs in the area and sits in on actual surgeries while his devices are being installed. As a result he has seen doctors that freak out and start yelling and cussing if something goes wrong, docs that time them selves to see how fast they can complete a surgery, etc... So my point is, if you choose to have surgery, it might behoove you too track down a sales representative for spinal surgical implants and buy him or her a beer and get a recommendation.

My 2cents!

Good luck!

FYI – I‘m 6 months out of my surgery and have been pain free for the past 30days. I've also resumed regular activity including flat/cold water riding and carrying my 5 year old around Disney World for 5 days!

[yamaslut]

Have you looked into the Low level Laser therapy yet? For the amount of pain you are in it might be one of the best places to start. It is most effective on patients with extreme pain and next to zero mobility. Your body is still inflammed and now building scar tissue around the damaged areas to protect it. The laser could promote healing without causing further agrivation. Movement is eventually going to be key to your recovery so your going to have to get through it sooner than later and start breaking up that scar tissue. Sitting is to the spine is what sugar is to the teeth.

I'm waiting to see a Neuro Surgeon... I don't know anything about that procedure... this whole thing is kinda confusing... The doctor told me to just chill for now..

[wishihad]

sent

[crammit442]

This is the company my bro got his chair from. He's gonna look and see if he can find which model he has. He said call and talk to them about your particular needs. It's big bucks but he says it's one of the most important reasons he's feeling pretty good these days.

http://www.ergogenesis.com/

[yamaslut]

This is the company my bro got his chair from. He's gonna look and see if he can find which model he has. He said call and talk to them about your particular needs. It's big bucks but he says it's one of the most important reasons he's feeling pretty good these days.

http://www.ergogenesis.com/

thanks Charles...

[Conquistador]

Hope you get better bud. Wishihad's been down for a few months.
Hope you get better too wish, I want to see that 650 scream!

[yamaslut]

he had some realy encouraging things to say... Made my day.

[wishihad]

Was nice talkin 2 ya 2day

[sjweber]

Dude, I may have some contacts in the area. I sell orthopedic implants and there is a branch of our company that carries neuro spine implants. I know from working in the OR with the surgeons as an assistant there is alot more to a doc than just his/her bedside manor. I can make some calls and at least get a list of hacks and quacks for ya. docs to avoid. I will pm you with my number.

[wishihad]

Hope you get better bud. Wishihad's been down for a few months.
Hope you get better too wish, I want to see that 650 scream!

Thanks Capt!

[yamaslut]

Dude, I may have some contacts in the area. I sell orthopedic implants and there is a branch of our company that carries neuro spine implants. I know from working in the OR with the surgeons as an assistant there is alot more to a doc than just his/her bedside manor. I can make some calls and at least get a list of hacks and quacks for ya. docs to avoid. I will pm you with my number.


totally freaking awesome!!!!!!!!!!!

[wishihad]

Dude, I may have some contacts in the area. I sell orthopedic implants and there is a branch of our company that carries neuro spine implants. I know from working in the OR with the surgeons as an assistant there is alot more to a doc than just his/her bedside manor. I can make some calls and at least get a list of hacks and quacks for ya. docs to avoid. I will pm you with my number.

:thewave:

[yamaslut]

things like this really make this site worth it's weight in gold!
:Banane01:

[crab]

In a twist of fate, I threw my low back out yesterday glassing in reinforcement, :-):-):-):-)ing blows.

[hangtime]

I have constant extreme back pain because of my profession (flooring mechanic)and my hobby (SJ rider ).
Because the politicians think it's more important to fight a war I have no health insurance so I do not even know what the problem is .

I take motrin all the time and the occasional stronger meds too .
Exercise and stretching is a good way to strengthen your back to prevent possible injuries .

maybe I'll bring you a little something for your pain in a couple weeks :toothache:

[crab]

I have constant extreme back pain because of my profession (flooring mechanic)and my hobby (SJ rider ).
Because the politicians think it's more important to fight a war I have no health insurance so I do not even know what the problem is .

I take motrin all the time and the occasional stronger meds too .
Exercise and stretching is a good way to strengthen your back to prevent possible injuries .

maybe I'll bring you a little something for your pain in a couple weeks :toothache:
If your talking carpet/tile/vinyl, I was also doing some tile yesterday, but think the SJ did me in.

[wishihad]

Hope ur feeling better! I forgot to mention that I also found some relief from acupuncture. Honestly, I'm a mechanically minded type of guy and don't give much credence to acupuncture, as I can't rationalize how sticking a few small needled in my skin is going to do sh#$%. But, since my mother is a licensed and practicing acupuncturist I didn't have much choice. But, it definitely did seem to help, with the pain and also with healing time. The only explanation I can come up with is that the trauma caused from the needles causes the body to send more blood to that area to help heal it which also helps heal any other damage in the area. Lastly, she also uses a machine similar to what the Chiropractor used that electrically stimulates the needle while they are in. This provided a lot of short term relief.

[hangtime]

If your talking carpet/tile/vinyl, I was also doing some tile yesterday, but think the SJ did me in.


Yup,all kinds of flooring

[crab]

Yup,all kinds of flooring
I feel your pain, hate being on my knees for very long.:Banane36:

[yamaslut]

Hope ur feeling better! I forgot to mention that I also found some relief from acupuncture. Honestly, I'm a mechanically minded type of guy and don't give much credence to acupuncture, as I can't rationalize how sticking a few small needled in my skin is going to do sh#$%. But, since my mother is a licensed and practicing acupuncturist I didn't have much choice. But, it definitely did seem to help, with the pain and also with healing time. The only explanation I can come up with is that the trauma caused from the needles causes the body to send more blood to that area to help heal it which also helps heal any other damage in the area. Lastly, she also uses a machine similar to what the Chiropractor used that electrically stimulates the needle while they are in. This provided a lot of short term relief.

my chiro has the electro acupuncture and it's covered by insurance.. the normal acupuncture is not...

I might try soon...

[nightrider05]

my chiro has the electro acupuncture and it's covered by insurance.. the normal acupuncture is not...

I might try soon...


As someone who has a bad neck and back at the age of 21, I sort of feel your pain. I was involved in 4 different wrecks all within one year, each which totaled my vehicle at the time(Yes, I was rear ended 4 times in one year..crazy). I also tore my back up during football. I have spent roughly a year straight at the Chiro and had both positive and negative results. Sometimes, It made me feel like heaven, other days it left me laying on the couch in pain.

Aleve has been a HUGE friend for the past couple of years. Overall however, the best thing for my back was weight lifting again.

I hope you find something that gives you relief because I know first hand that back problems can nearly ruin your life. Good luck man.

[PancakePete]

Nightrider thanks for posting. Been off the boards and trying to find threads... need to use search more..

Nick, Get better... Or drink till you dont feel it.. :Banane35:

I am positive it will get better and better....
:thewave:

[Proformance1]

How is you back doing? Are you riding at all? I had a relapse over the long weekend and am battling to get back to where I was. My Chiro/PT gave me some gentle stretches to do for this week. Crap, I was doing well and starting to work out and get back into shape for Daytona. He claims I will be able to ride by the time we get there.

[wayne]

my chiro has the electro acupuncture and it's covered by insurance.. the normal acupuncture is not...

I might try soon...

my chiro has a massage therapy clinic next door and i get six 45 min massages covered by ins. a year.

i have only done it once, but damn was she able to adjust my back after the massage. i was totally relaxed.

[choab]

I used to have minor back pain especially when I was driving my car, I decided to try the chiropractor and was AMAZED at how much better I felt after a few weeks... He suggested that the pain was from one side of my back being worked more than the other so my muscles were working against each other. My positive results might be a direct result from the regular stretching and heat pad use the DR had encouraged me to do at home in my own time.. although the bi-weekly visits to the office for "adjustments" relieved tension, and left my back muscles feeling tender.
Its been about a year since my 6 month period of chiro treatment, and I can say that I feel "straighter" and don't have as much pain anymore.

[750SX]

The chiropractor is amazing. I hadn't been there in over three years until yesterday when I messed my neck up stretching of all things. I got out of bed and did the standard yawn, stretch, touch ear to shoulder when all of the sudden I had a horrible pain in the right side of my neck. I almost fell down it was that bad. I went to school, and had too look like a total goof cause I was holding my head at a 45 degree angle. I went to the chiro about two hours later and got some relief. Today I'm at about 85%, so it was 32 bucks well spent.

Hope things are going well for you Nick.

[turbo626]

The chiropractor is amazing. I hadn't been there in over three years until yesterday when I messed my neck up stretching of all things. I got out of bed and did the standard yawn, stretch, touch ear to shoulder when all of the sudden I had a horrible pain in the right side of my neck. I almost fell down it was that bad. I went to school, and had too look like a total goof cause I was holding my head at a 45 degree angle. I went to the chiro about two hours later and got some relief. Today I'm at about 85%, so it was 32 bucks well spent.

Hope things are going well for you Nick.

One thing i have noticed about going to the chiropractor is that when i stop going I feel worse. I need to keep going or the pain comes back. Maybe, hopefully, your body if different and you feel better man.

[Gainera2582]

90% of your back pain is caused by excessive sitting for long periods of time. This causes your hip flexors to get extremely tight throwing your pelvis forward(if your belt buckle points down or you have a large curvature in your low back, its a good sign you have tight hip flexors).

Easy thing to do is a daily stretching of the hip flexors and quadriceps. Along with that, make sure you walk enough per day to help your posture(read my sticky on dynamic stretching and static stretching). I incorporate my xvest with 20lbs and do weighted walks a few times per week just for this purpose.

Main thing is keep moving and stretch those hip flexors daily(at least twice per day).

[yamasaki]

good tips. i'm sitting here rubbing veterinary liniment gel on my lower back...

ive started taking 2mile walks at work so i'm not just sitting all day.

[Idok]

One thing i have noticed about going to the chiropractor is that when i stop going I feel worse. I need to keep going or the pain comes back. Maybe, hopefully, your body if different and you feel better man.

I saw a chiro for about a year.....She TAUGHT me how keep my hip in alignment, and now all is well!


good tips. i'm sitting here rubbing veterinary liniment gel on my lower back...

ive started taking 2mile walks at work so i'm not just sitting all day.

get you a wheelie maker that you can ride during the week! :Banane09:

[DezKnotz]

i kill my back pain with a red head and a coupleof cold ones.