Jet ski related death

[yamaslut]

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/EastVolusia/evlEAST04050106.htm

[SuperJETT]

It doesn't say a thing about how he suffered the injuries.

"power ski", meaning one of those surf jet thingies?

[yamaslut]

It doesn't say a thing about how he suffered the injuries.

"power ski", meaning one of those surf jet thingies?

I was about 100 yards away when it happened... it was a rental ski and the dude was flirting w/ disaster riding right in front of the Poce Inlet rocks in surf that was extremely dangerous at best....

[Shonuff]

It wasn't a standup was it?

[yamaslut]

It wasn't a standup was it?

no..... sitdown rental

[Ollie Rastabean]

Nick-
You gonna give us your version of what happened??

-O

[SuperJETT]

Nick-
You gonna give us your version of what happened??

-O

Unfortunately (hate to hear of anyone ever getting hurt or killed obviously) sitdown rental and surf pretty much explains it.

[Ollie Rastabean]

Unfortunately (hate to hear of anyone ever getting hurt or killed obviously) sitdown rental and surf pretty much explains it.

OK Jett , Since you seem to know all of the details. Did he hit his head on the ski, end up on the rocks, just plain drown, not wearing a vest or hit by another ski??

-O

[yamaslut]

Two guys that were not experienced riders went out the mouth of the inlet in 12ft surf and one got ejected and drowned. His buddy picked him up after he had been floating unconscience for several minutes. he was dead before he got out of the water... Coast Guard went out to look for him, but it was too big for them to even go out in... I've only seen the inlet like that a few times.... scary **** for even a rider like me, i can't imagine going out there on a sitdown w/ no experience....

I'll get all the details from Beach Patrol and The Fire Dept...



This type **** pisses me off.... I think the Rental place should take percaution and not let people out in conditions like that... Small craft advisory, sorry, no rentals today, or make them stay in the flats somehow... I bet they probably were not suppose to be in the surf anyway.... who knows... Something needs to change though...

[Cane700]

Alway sad to hear of fatalities. There are alot of people that think these things are like go karts at the local mini golf park. Not to mention those big craft are so easy to operate that you become delusional and think you're a pro. Alot of people don't take the rental operator seriously when they tell them to follow certain rules. I've seen it so many times where people completely disregard the saftey advice they're given. What pisses me off the most is that these people are not even PWC enthusiasts. So were as a group a being screwed by outsiders.

[Cane700]

Two guys that were not experienced riders went out the mouth of the inlet in 12ft surf and one got ejected and drowned. His buddy picked him up after he had been floating unconscience for several minutes. he was dead before he got out of the water... Coast Guard went out to look for him, but it was too big for them to even go out in... I've only seen the inlet like that a few times.... scary **** for even a rider like me, i can't imagine going out there on a sitdown w/ no experience....

I'll get all the details from Beach Patrol and The Fire Dept...



This type **** pisses me off.... I think the Rental place should take percaution and not let people out in conditions like that... Small craft advisory, sorry, no rentals today, or make them stay in the flats somehow... I bet they probably were not suppose to be in the surf anyway.... who knows... Something needs to change though...

Wow! what jagoff rental operators

[Frosty]

That's too bad. I hate to hear anything like that. You are right, the rental place should known better than to rent a ski out on a day like that.

Nick, do you have to have a safe boaters cert. in FL to rent a jetski? Not that it would necessarily have saved him, but more just out of curiosity...

[yamaslut]

That's too bad. I hate to hear anything like that. You are right, the rental place should known better than to rent a ski out on a day like that.

Nick, do you have to have a safe boaters cert. in FL to rent a jetski? Not that it would necessarily have saved him, but more just out of curiosity...

not that I know of... I think if you are under 18 you do

[SJBrit]

Sad to hear, but unfortunately inevitable. People just don't have enough respect for the power of the surf. Don't they remember getting rolled and sucked under by a three footer when they were boogie-boarding as kids? What do they expect it to be like in surf like that, and with an 800lb machine to hang on to?

[yamaslut]

Sad to hear, but unfortunately inevitable. People just don't have enough respect for the power of the surf. Don't they remember getting rolled and sucked under by a three footer when they were boogie-boarding as kids? What do they expect it to be like in surf like that, and with an 800lb machine to hang on to?

dude.... That is sooooo freaking true.... lessons like that go along way.

I remember getting pounded by a 4fter into the sand... I came up couldn't beath... all scared and ****...

[MADMAT]

Its sad but true. Even here in little Lake Erie we lose people to the waves. Inner city kids that never learned to swim and then when they get a little older they go down to the beach and try to swim in 4-6 footers. I saved a kid last year that jumped in off of a little peer by our riding area and did'nt realize that it was like 6 feet deep with waves crashing down on him. He was instantly freakin' out.

[djkorn1]

PWC should not ever be rented out. You don't see Motocross bikes being rented out. Just too dangerous, especially for inexperienced riders... The rentalls ALWAYS cause problems on our beach.

Makes us all look bad... Hopefully they will ban the rentals in the Ocean and not try to ban all skis in the ocean.

[JustGood]

right on, except when i go on vacation and dont bring my ski i like to rent one and ride> HMMM. maybe they should only rent to people that can show proof that they own a pwc already. J/K that is a stupid idea

[SUPERJET-113]

Both parties are fools! THe rental place should not of rented that day and the peeps that rented were stupid/ignorant or drunk or all of the above..
Sorry to hear!

[Sanford]

We have a rental PWC rental place down here (friends of mine) and they specifically tell all rental operators "do not go out into the open ocean." Having said that, there is no way to prevent someone from not listening to rules or guidelines.

I've seen my share of FNG's ridding in big surf with bad results. One time I got lucky because some idiot washed his PWC deep into the jetty rocks. He walked away and said f'it...insurance and I ran home to get my tools. Amazing what you can do with a hacksaw, 10mm/12mm/15mm ;)

[yamaslut]

We have a rental PWC rental place down here (friends of mine) and they specifically tell all rental operators "do not go out into the open ocean." Having said that, there is no way to prevent someone from not listening to rules or guidelines.

I've seen my share of FNG's ridding in big surf with bad results. One time I got lucky because some idiot washed his PWC deep into the jetty rocks. He walked away and said f'it...insurance and I ran home to get my tools. Amazing what you can do with a hacksaw, 10mm/12mm/15mm ;)

Where do ya live??? just wondering.... :smile:

[gj_fx1]

Having said that, there is no way to prevent someone from not listening to rules or guidelines.


Sure, explain the 1000 tow bill they will get if you catch them in the ocean.

What gets me is that in places with license requirements they somethines waive them for rentals. (Dont know if thats the case in FL). So if you own one for 10yrs+ you need to go sit through a class but any yahoo with $50 for a half hour is good to go. Dont get it.

[butti]

the rental guy here is a freind of ours.he absoloutly does not allow his rentals in the ocean.zero tolerance.if your caught your day is over and you get no money back.this is a very sad thing but im sure these guys were told not to go out of the intracoastal

[Sanford]

Where do ya live??? just wondering.... :smile:Palm Beach County.
Sure, explain the 1000 tow bill they will get if you catch them in the ocean.

What gets me is that in places with license requirements they somethines waive them for rentals. (Dont know if thats the case in FL). So if you own one for 10yrs+ you need to go sit through a class but any yahoo with $50 for a half hour is good to go. Dont get it.Actually they only charged $150 for tow and what ever damages may have occured from being stuck out in the ocean. 99% of their problems wasn't ocean-goers, it was those cash carrying/gold teeth/Yo-Yo operators that treat PWC as bumpercars.

In Florida there is a PWC boating law (for rental or private). This law was passed in 1996 and requires all operators born on or after September 1980 to pass a mandatory "boating safety" course (can be done online).

The problem with this (or any) law or course is it doesn't take any real world issues into consideration. The reality is you can't read common sense.

[Ottis]

Is this the first time someone was killed at the inlet on a ski? My fear is that something like this could get us banned from riding there, if thats possible.

[gj_fx1]

In Florida there is a PWC boating law (for rental or private). This law was passed in 1996 and requires all operators born on or after September 1980 to pass a mandatory "boating safety" course (can be done online).


How does that work for rentals? Does the rental operater give the test on the spot?

[surfjunkie]

Is this the first time someone was killed at the inlet on a ski? My fear is that something like this could get us banned from riding there, if thats possible.

i think a guy shish-ka bobed himself in the head with his handlebars several years back. the lifeguards say that's why they make us wear helmets at the beach zone.

[Sanford]

How does that work for rentals? Does the rental operater give the test on the spot?An honest and legit rental operation will. My friends PWC rental biz had a computer at the store that would let the user take an online test. If they passed the test (trust me, its not all that easy) they would be able to get a print-out certificate. Many failed or gave up on the 60 minute course.

I don't know about the inlet but this certainly isn't the first time someone that rented a PWC got killed. Sadly they had a couple of (famous) incidents and those were caused by recklessness.

Most rental accidents are NOT reported. This is because they are usually caused from two rental operators crashing into each others PWC and only causing hull damage (maybe stitches). In those cases the most damage will be from the depleting wallet.

For years I've always told them "PWC rentals" will kill our sport. At the very least result in added legislation.

10 years ago I was run over (from behind) by a "friend" on a rented PWC. I was lucky because I was floating still while they mowed me down. Lucky because I saw them at the last second and only suffered $400 of parts damage and a bruised arm for a week.

[surfjunkie]

a follow up article...

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Local/newEAST01050306.htm

[SUPERJET-113]

Most rental accidents are NOT reported. This is because they are usually caused from two rental operators crashing into each others PWC and only causing hull damage (maybe stitches). In those cases the most damage will be from the depleting wallet.

Funny you mention that Sanford.. I do fiberglass repair work and am currenty repairing 2 rental VX110's that basically hit each other nose to nose. lol

[Sanford]

I do fiberglass repair work and <snip>...and live & work in Havasu, I know you must be busy. :cheer:

[butti]

a follow up article...

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Local/newEAST01050306.htm





way to spin the story:rolleyes: that writer is a scumbag

[yamaslut]

way to spin the story:rolleyes: that writer is a scumbag

the News Journal never gets the story right... that's why I never called them when I did the freeride... They are idiots...

He's an experienced rider and is renting a ski?????? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[kawasakit2me]

a follow up article...

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Local/newEAST01050306.htm


It mentioned at least twice in that article that this guy was "an experienced rider". SO how does this make it anyone's fault but his own?

:bs2:

[yamaslut]

It mentioned at least twice in that article that this guy was "an experienced rider". SO how does this make it anyone's fault but his own?

:bs2:


They don't have a clue what they are writing about.... Power Ski??? come on...

[SJKny]

He's an experienced rider and is renting a ski?????? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

yes, one other time renting now he's experienced.....

was an experienced rider, riding power skis in Panama City when on vacation with his family.

[Ollie Rastabean]

I see a new decal

"Powerskis dont kill people. People kill people."

[JLight]

a follow up article...

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Local/newEAST01050306.htm


How can that reporter put it all on the rental place? They make it seem like he forced the guy to go out there. Bull****!!

[douglee25]

We have a rental PWC rental place down here (friends of mine) and they specifically tell all rental operators "do not go out into the open ocean." Having said that, there is no way to prevent someone from not listening to rules or guidelines.

I've seen my share of FNG's ridding in big surf with bad results. One time I got lucky because some idiot washed his PWC deep into the jetty rocks. He walked away and said f'it...insurance and I ran home to get my tools. Amazing what you can do with a hacksaw, 10mm/12mm/15mm ;)

All the rental places that I've seen actually make you follow a lead operator around. There is no off course riding either. It's much safer than what I believe the case maybe here.

Doug

[DLMB12]

Media people are pole smokers.

[IceRocket1286]

I know what happened. the media is phuckin stupid and so is the dumbass who thought he could handle 'the perfect storm" and so are the douche bags who let him even rent a machine and go out in that crap.

moral of the story? no common sense.

[SUPERJET-113]

Well,,, that pretty much sums it up! lol

Sad but true.

[SuperJETT]

the media is phuckin stupid and so is the dumbass who thought he could handle 'the perfect storm"

Be respectful please. Never done anything stupid yourself? I have. His consequences just ended up being final.

[WaveDemon]

Be respectful please. Never done anything stupid yourself? I have. His consequences just ended up being final.I've been in some tough situations myself. swimming gets you nowhere, you're exhausted, your wheezing and getting crushed by waves, ski rode a big wave in to shore. I had to quit swimming and try to get another riders attention. finally someone pulled me into shore.

sounds like that dudes riding buddy wasn't much of a riding buddy to me.

[IceRocket1286]

Jett, I have done plenty of stupid stuff, but nothing THAT stupid. that just crosses the line, which is my point. It was kind of a harsh way to say it, Ill watch it next time.

[surfjetlouie]

It mentioned at least twice in that article that this guy was "an experienced rider". SO how does this make it anyone's fault but his own?

:bs2:
experienced ride Bull ****.


Melendez rented the power ski from Short Money Jet Ski Rentals at 4940 S. Peninsula Drive in Ponce Inlet. Melendez, who grew up in Puerto Rico, was an experienced rider, riding power skis in Panama City when on vacation with his family. The cause of death has yet to be determined
experienced rider is someone that as a PWC not someone that rent time to time.
I'm experienced rider I have several PWC so that must make me a veteran rider since I have been riding in the early 80'.
Louie

[Orv9978]

Just to let everyone know I heard from beach patrol he flat landed the ski and hit his head on the hull so hard it cracked the hull and knocked him unconciuos, which caused him to drowned.

[T-bone]

circle of life...they saved a girls life on the chattahochee today with a ski.

[PAIR-A-DICE]

circle of life...they saved a girls life on the chattahochee today with a ski.

A family from Georgia lost a little girl this past weekend...:frown:

http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/2898881.html

[yamaslut]

Just to let everyone know I heard from beach patrol he flat landed the ski and hit his head on the hull so hard it cracked the hull and knocked him unconciuos, which caused him to drowned.

thanks for the update bro...

that is some brutal ********... flatlanding a 700lb ski from 10ft or so I assume.. wow.....

[kawasakit2me]

Just to let everyone know I heard from beach patrol he flat landed the ski and hit his head on the hull so hard it cracked the hull and knocked him unconciuos, which caused him to drowned.

:bigeyes: :ouch:

I forget if the story mentioned him riding alone. Ouch. Damn

[yamaslut]

:bigeyes: :ouch:

I forget if the story mentioned him riding alone. Ouch. Damn

when you are that inxperienced it's like riding alone...

[Orv9978]

Hey yamaslut have you heard if the rental place is getting shut down at the inlet? Just curious to see how long that place will last after something like this happening.

[douglee25]

Hey yamaslut have you heard if the rental place is getting shut down at the inlet? Just curious to see how long that place will last after something like this happening.

Doubtful they will. That's what insurance is for.

Doug

[yamaslut]

Hey yamaslut have you heard if the rental place is getting shut down at the inlet? Just curious to see how long that place will last after something like this happening.

I've not heard anything, or read anything either.... Have I ridden w/ you??
WHat's your name??

[Idok]

when you are that inxperienced it's like riding alone...

hell, there are certain days out @ matanzas (or any inlet for that matter) that no matter how many are out.....

you....are....on....your....own





ride to survive

[Orv9978]

I've not heard anything, or read anything either.... Have I ridden w/ you??
WHat's your name??

I used to have a 550 that I rode last year a few times on the beach when you were there. I think it was 2 weekends ago I had my superjet out at the beach and you were there also. Didn't stay out too long it broke on me. My name is Jason I met you last year. My buddy that rides with me was the one that broke his ankle out there last year and drives the H2.

[surfjunkie]

My buddy that rides with me was the one that broke his ankle out there last year and drives the H2.


ooohhh, that was ugly! the sight of that ankle is why i wont put footholds on.

[Orv9978]

That was a pretty disgusting break, we pretty much got rid of the footholds on his ski over the winter months this year. I don't think I will ever get them after seeing that kinda ankle injury.

[yamaslut]

I used to have a 550 that I rode last year a few times on the beach when you were there. I think it was 2 weekends ago I had my superjet out at the beach and you were there also. Didn't stay out too long it broke on me. My name is Jason I met you last year. My buddy that rides with me was the one that broke his ankle out there last year and drives the H2.

w/ the Nicholson sticker on the side... right..:cool2:
I remember you guys...

[jetdogg]

sad to hear that happen....It very true though, rentals should not be in the surf...to much can go wrong and it always comes down on us...my buddy had a rental business a few years back and it was always a disaster....tourists getting rolled in 1foot waves and injured...pretty ridiculous.

[Orv9978]

w/ the Nicholson sticker on the side... right..
I remember you guys...


Yep that is us. Do you guys usually go out on Sat. or Sun.?

[yamaslut]

Yep that is us. Do you guys usually go out on Sat. or Sun.?

I'll be up in Ormond this Saturday... the break is right south of Harvard blvd...

[Robert]

Nick-
I have to lobby for Smyrna this weekend. The zone is just North of Beachway.

[yamaslut]

Nick-
I have to lobby for Smyrna this weekend. The zone is just North of Beachway.

ok... cool..

[GDFL]

sat or sunday or both? I'm probably working Saturday until 1 or so.....Sunday is on though. It's been way too long since I've been in the salt water. I need to break something again.
Garrett

[yamaslut]

sat or sunday or both? I'm probably working Saturday until 1 or so.....Sunday is on though. It's been way too long since I've been in the salt water. I need to break something again.
Garrett

saturday in Smyrna, then I'll be up in Ormond, or Matanzas sunday..

[Idok]

saturday in Smyrna, then I'll be up in Ormond, or Matanzas sunday..





dude, sunday we went out........checked surfstation before I left and it called for 6"-1'.....

got out there...and no bs, 3-5 and glassy as all hell...granted, the water is shallow everywhere this time of year BUT, :cheer2:




lets do it up, i got my footstrap fixed.............

[yamaslut]

dude, sunday we went out........checked surfstation before I left and it called for 6"-1'.....

got out there...and no bs, 3-5 and glassy as all hell...granted, the water is shallow everywhere this time of year BUT, :cheer2:




lets do it up, i got my footstrap fixed.............

just confirmed w/ the wife... we will be heading up sunday for sure...
hopefully I will have a running ski or we won't be there... btw - does Butti need that steering cable?? I told him to call if he wanted the one I have... let me know...

[WaveDemon]

dude, sunday we went out........checked surfstation before I left and it called for 6"-1'.....

got out there...and no bs, 3-5 and glassy as all hell...granted, the water is shallow everywhere this time of year BUT, :cheer2:




lets do it up, i got my footstrap fixed.............how long of a drive is that from tampa...

[yamaslut]

how long of a drive is that from tampa...

40 min N. of me if you take A1A... prolly 20 min past my house on 95..
come on up... you can stay at the casa...

[WaveDemon]

per google maps: 185 mi (about 3 hours 48 mins)


a little long for a daytrip.

[WaveDemon]

40 min N. of me if you take A1A... prolly 20 min past my house on 95..
come on up... you can stay at the casa...hmm....

[Ollie Rastabean]

hmm....

Again....you SUCK!

[WaveDemon]

Again....you SUCK!we need to hit up the other coast Ollie. I know your busy scrubbing the floors and cleaning the toilet for the next two weeks, maybe after that.

I've only ridden surf once since the last daytona event. :banghead:

[Idok]

the exit is #305 (i think) off of 95......that is S.R. 206




YES butti's needs that cable.............and get here early, not fraking 11 am or the surf will be all GONE..its best before 10am

[Moondance]

per google maps: 185 mi (about 3 hours 48 mins)


a little long for a daytrip.That's grandpa driving....go for it

ROAD TRIP:Banane01:

[yamaslut]

That's grandpa driving....go for it

ROAD TRIP:Banane01:

no ********... it takes more like 2hrs and change...
I just drove to Pats

[WaveDemon]

no ********... it takes more like 2hrs and change...
I just drove to Pats
Pat is only about 10 min. from my place. I'll see if I can get someone to come along...

[yamaslut]

work it out...

[Idok]

Pat is only about 10 min. from my place. I'll see if I can get someone to come along...

if youre going to come up, I need a couple of things from sir bogart.....LMK if youre going to make it, maybe you could hook me up!!!



i also have some schwag for Ollie....

[WaveDemon]

if youre going to come up, I need a couple of things from sir bogart.....LMK if youre going to make it, maybe you could hook me up!!!



i also have some schwag for Ollie....OK, I'll keep you in the loop.

[WaveDemon]

Sorry guys I'm out for this week. :banghead:

Ollie wants to ride when his schedule clears up in a couple of weeks maybe we'll head out there.

[Ollie Rastabean]

Sounds like a plan.

I need to f up that new boat of mine some more.

The hood fell off the boat onto the driveway during washdown last week. :banghead:

You gotta love it!!

-O

[yamaslut]

werd...

[2002zxi]

i also have some schwag for Ollie....
nugs, only nugs my friend.