Calling out LPW (aka Pete's Rant)

[PancakePete]

Mod note - pruned from this thread: http://www.x-h2o.com/showthread.php?t=23863

Pretty sure this is what people are referring to.

I am sick of little comments like that by admin, to kind of antagonize other companies... ITS LIKE THIS IS LPW SITE ONLY.

TOTAL BS... there is comments like that all over.

people can bash other companies on here that dont deserve it.
and then other companies that F-ck people and Their motors
get away without a word said....

F- BS !

[SuperJETT]

Oh man, I thought I was making a joke, you guys need to lighten up.

We're talking about reliability of electrical components, not horsepower secrets.

I post like twice/day nowadays because every little thing I say gets scrutinized to death, guess I need to cut back to once/day and stay in off topic.

[Big Kahuna]

nah darin, you just forgot the smiley face is all, you broke all the rules of forum ettiquite..............

[PancakePete]

Ya.. I am the Dick... But there is always crap like that...

[SuperJETT]

Ya.. I am the Dick... But there is always crap like that...

Lately, you are.

I'm sure this is 24/7 and Mark and Full Throttle related. He was unbanned back in the spring. Guess what, he has never posted.

Jeff Curry can post freely.

Chuckie can post freely.

Any engine builder can post whatever they want on here. If their reputation and customer service is good, that gets spread. If it's bad, that gets spread. Chuckie @ Team Scream has a great reputation, and posts frequently and contirbutes to the forum. We benefit from that and appreciate it.

[PancakePete]

Lately, you are.

I'm sure this is 24/7 and Mark and Full Throttle related. He was unbanned back in the spring. Guess what, he has never posted.

Jeff Curry can post freely.

Chuckie can post freely.

Any engine builder can post whatever they want on here. If their reputation and customer service is good, that gets spread. If it's bad, that gets spread. Chuckie @ Team Scream has a great reputation, and posts frequently and contirbutes to the forum. We benefit from that and appreciate it.


YA... NO !

I talk to alot of companies, Team Scream, Full throttle, Lacey powersports, R-rated, TR Kawy... and some others...
I have no beef with any of them and enjoy how all of them are fun
in their own way.

I am sick of the little comments on many threads that try and mae LPW look so much better than anyone else.. and if there is beef with other companies that is fine.. But if you have beef with LPW, dont post here.
it will be Squashed.... That is what I am sick of...
Because Of how this site can turn good people bad, and bad people look like others are wrong.

You want me to give specifics...
I can list 10+ motors blown up and ********ed by LPW...
not a word on here... but others bash companies..

[WFO Speedracer]

WOW did those corn flakes taste funny this morning Pete?

[SuperJETT]

YA... NO !

I talk to alot of companies, Team Scream, Full throttle, Lacey powersports, R-rated, TR Kawy... and some others...
I have no beef with any of them and enjoy how all of them are fun
in their own way.

I am sick of the little comments on many threads that try and mae LPW look so much better than anyone else.. and if there is beef with other companies that is fine.. But if you have beef with LPW, dont post here.
it will be Squashed.... That is what I am sick of...
Because Of how this site can turn good people bad, and bad people look like others are wrong.

You want me to give specifics...
I can list 10+ motors blown up and ********ed by LPW...
not a word on here... but others bash companies..

There has never been a post editted or deleted if that's what you're insinuating.

not worth my time, go ahead and list those engines. I didn't build them.

[PancakePete]

There has never been a post editted or deleted if that's what you're insinuating.

not worth my time, go ahead and list those engines. I didn't build them.

If that was a joke so be it...
That list is Huge.
I should just stay off the site.
If I dont have something nice to say, I shouldnt say it. !

Sorry folks...

[MILF]

YA... NO !

I talk to alot of companies, Team Scream, Full throttle, Lacey powersports, R-rated, TR Kawy... and some others...
I have no beef with any of them and enjoy how all of them are fun
in their own way.

I am sick of the little comments on many threads that try and mae LPW look so much better than anyone else.. and if there is beef with other companies that is fine.. But if you have beef with LPW, dont post here.
it will be Squashed.... That is what I am sick of...
Because Of how this site can turn good people bad, and bad people look like others are wrong.

You want me to give specifics...
I can list 10+ motors blown up and ********ed by LPW...
not a word on here... but others bash companies..

If that was a joke so be it...
That list is Huge.
I should just stay off the site.
If I dont have something nice to say, I shouldnt say it. !

Sorry folks...

What the heck is wrong with you??? Is this how you treat a SPONSOR, and a friend? I have always stuck up for you even when you called and cussed out Paul and even Joanne Crossley..... But you have gone too far lately with your little comments about Paul on every thread and then this - trying to trash someone that has always supported you and called you friend!

If someone has a problem with ANY company including LPW - they have every right to post on this site! But honestly - they should be the one posting about their (how did you put is so eloquently) "blown and ********ed up" motor by LPW..... YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SLANDER and speak for "so" called other people! I think I read somewhere on here that your motor blew up this past weekend after just 40 hours....... Was it Paul's?

Noone deletes or alters post made on this site in regards to LPW..... You are part of the reason that Paul keeps away from this site both as a "admin" and an "enthusiast"! Do you have any idea what you look like with your comments against a person that has supported you and SPONSORED you for years.....:puppy_dog_eyes: I don't really think he deserves this from you!

I think you need to stay off this site if you can't say anything nice..... You hurt people with your comments Pete! From someone that has always liked you and given you the benefit of the doubt..... Shame on you!:puppy_dog_eyes:

I apologize to Chuckie(one of the best builders out there) and all other members out there for hijacking this thread but I feel that I couldn't take anymore of this..... Sorry everyone!

[PancakePete]

What the heck is wrong with you??? Is this how you treat a SPONSOR, and a friend? I have always stuck up for you even when you called and cussed out Paul and even Joanne Crossley..... But you have gone too far lately with your little comments about Paul on every thread and then this - trying to trash someone that has always supported you and called you friend!

If someone has a problem with ANY company including LPW - they have every right to post on this site! But honestly - they should be the one posting about their (how did you put is so eloquently) "blown and ********ed up" motor by LPW..... YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SLANDER and speak for "so" called other people! I think I read somewhere on here that your motor blew up this past weekend after just 40 hours....... Was it Paul's?

Noone deletes or alters post made on this site in regards to LPW..... You are part of the reason that Paul keeps away from this site both as a "admin" and an "enthusiast"! Do you have any idea what you look like with your comments against a person that has supported you and SPONSORED you for years.....:puppy_dog_eyes: I don't really think he deserves this from you!

I think you need to stay off this site if you can't say anything nice..... You hurt people with your comments Pete! From someone that has always liked you and given you the benefit of the doubt..... Shame on you!:puppy_dog_eyes:

I apologize to Chuckie(one of the best builders out there) and all other members out there for hijacking this thread but I feel that I couldn't take anymore of this..... Sorry everyone!

You have not been around... I have taken Ton of abuse from him. And I have supported and sent him so much business its not even funny, and More than half those people sit on beaches instead of riding.. so shame on him for doing half arse stuff and making people wait and then having stuff blow up anyway... I am sick of all of it...
If you want to expose details that is fine... But YOU have not been around from getting beat up from Posters to who I hang out with...
You just dont know..... Plain and simple.
I can make lists of people that are very upset with paul... and I get the phone calls.... and support.... I got some porting.... Thank you

I am not sorry for getting walked on and letting it go.. for years.
There is alot of stuff I can post if I really want to rip it apart.
I just got pissed off at lost of comments from people like peoples crap dont stink.... Shame on you for only knowing half the facts...

He has helped me Yes... and I have thanked him and sent him tons of business. and in return I have gotten 10 times the grief.
How many people has Paul really beaten over... do you know ?
I do.... Shame on him not me... I hate this Crap !
Stuck up for me....

[Matt_E]

Sooooo....how about a separate thread for the TL issues vs this other stuff?

[tor*p*do]

Dang- I read the first post as fine and the title as a typo . . .
SRamJ was asking for advice - he was calling ON Chuckie not calling OUT chuckie
Chuckie obliged, said he was busy and to call his shop- sounded cool to me.
Then everyones panties got in a wad:bigeyes2:

[Waste Land]

Dang- I read the first post as fine and the title as a typo . . .
SRamJ was asking for advice - he was calling ON Chuckie not calling OUT chuckie
Chuckie obliged, said he was busy and to call his shop- sounded cool to me.
Then everyones panties got in a wad:bigeyes2:

.........Agreed

[Gainera2582]

wow:eek2:

[WFO Speedracer]

Hold on I will be back after getting:popcorn: and :trink26: this might get good.

[parrdaddy]

:buttkick:

[PancakePete]

:buttkick:
:shooter3:

[MILF]

You have not been around... I have taken Ton of abuse from him. And I have supported and sent him so much business its not even funny, and More than half those people sit on beaches instead of riding.. so shame on him for doing half arse stuff and making people wait and then having stuff blow up anyway... I am sick of all of it...
If you want to expose details that is fine... But YOU have not been around from getting beat up from Posters to who I hang out with...
You just dont know..... Plain and simple.
I can make lists of people that are very upset with paul... and I get the phone calls.... and support.... I got some porting.... Thank you

I am not sorry for getting walked on and letting it go.. for years.
There is alot of stuff I can post if I really want to rip it apart.
I just got pissed off at lost of comments from people like peoples crap dont stink.... Shame on you for only knowing half the facts...

He has helped me Yes... and I have thanked him and sent him tons of business. and in return I have gotten 10 times the grief.
How many people has Paul really beaten over... do you know ?
I do.... Shame on him not me... I hate this Crap !
Stuck up for me....

You must not know me if you think I would respond without knowing everything.....My suggestion is next time someone calls you - just give them the shop number and give Paul the chance to help instead of trashing him in public! As I hope that whoever built your recently blown motor will make it right by you!

I might be wrong but doesn't loan of a ADA Billet Stroker motor mean more than just porting as support..... Again I am no expert but it seems there was just a little more than just porting, wasn't there Pete?

We could go back and forth and trash this thread even more than we have already but this crap never belonged here. To me - you were just waiting for a chance to put this out there (with no back-up, - I might add) and trash someone you said yourself that you supported and sent tons of business in the past! It is always best not to "burn your bridges"! I would hate for all of this to ruin your chance of future sponsorship with other companies....

Take Care Pete...... You are an incredible rider and WE personally wish you the best!

Peace out!

[PancakePete]

You must not know me if you think I would respond without knowing everything.....My suggestion is next time someone calls you - just give them the shop number and give Paul the chance to help instead of trashing him in public! As I hope that whoever built your recently blown motor will make it right by you!

I might be wrong but doesn't loan of a ADA Billet Stroker motor mean more than just porting as support..... Again I am no expert but it seems there was just a little more than just porting, wasn't there Pete?

We could go back and forth and trash this thread even more than we have already but this crap never belonged here. To me - you were just waiting for a chance to put this out there (with no back-up, - I might add) and trash someone you said yourself that you supported and sent tons of business in the past! It is always best not to "burn your bridges"! I would hate for all of this to ruin your chance of future sponsorship with other companies....

Take Care Pete...... You are an incredible rider and WE personally wish you the best!

Peace out!

If I send back I should get it by my not born yet kids 2 birthday !
Motor was done by Paul.... You know that... and the only parts I have gotten for my motor were flywheel stator and bendix because I put an old bendix in and it ate all that stuff, because bendix was broken.

You really have no clue.... I have been getting phone calls for a year and a half... and have let way to much go...

With no back up... Here is a list of blown motors by paul,
Me
Yamaslut x 5
Matt diltz
matt Danger last name ?
Alex x3
Goose x 2
Ross C
Mike Serlin
James Strotel
Gordon
I could keep going...
Dont say I dont got back up...
I can expose more about when he left NJ too.
You want to go into that... dont say I dont have back..... :aargh4:

I wish you the best.. too. Have a good one.

I wonder how many more people will get beat....
I personally do disaster control, when people get motors they blow up after spending all winters savings to be able to rip a good motor.
thats great for riders...
I am done with everything and could careless about competing or wasting anymore time and money.

Good luck Paul and Kathy have fun...

1000 dollars it gets turned into my fault for the motor blowing up !

[crammit442]

Motor was done by Paul.... You know that... and the only parts I have gotten for my motor were flywheel stator and bendix because I put an old bendix in and it ate all that stuff, because bendix was broken.

You really have no clue.... I have been getting phone calls for a year and a half... and have let way to much go...

With no back up... Here is a list of blown motors by paul,
Me
Yamaslut x 5
Matt diltz
matt Danger last name ?
Alex x3
Goose x 2
Ross C
Mike Serlin
James Strotel
Gordon
I could keep going...
Dont say I dont got back up...
I can expose more about when he left NJ too.
You want to go into that... dont say I dont have back..... :aargh4:

I wish you the best.. too. Have a good one.

I wonder how many more people will get beat....
I personally do disaster control, when people get motors they blow up after spending all winters savings to be able to rip a good motor.
thats great for riders...
I am done with everything and could careless about competing or wasting anymore time and money.

Good luck Paul and Kathy have fun...

WOW!!:rant:

[MILF]

If I send back I should get it by my not born yet kids 2 birthday !
Motor was done by Paul.... You know that... and the only parts I have gotten for my motor were flywheel stator and bendix because I put an old bendix in and it ate all that stuff, because bendix was broken.

You really have no clue.... I have been getting phone calls for a year and a half... and have let way to much go...

With no back up... Here is a list of blown motors by paul,
Me
Yamaslut x 5
Matt diltz
matt Danger last name ?
Alex x3
Goose x 2
Ross C
Mike Serlin
James Strotel
Gordon
I could keep going...
Dont say I dont got back up...
I can expose more about when he left NJ too.
You want to go into that... dont say I dont have back..... :aargh4:

I wish you the best.. too. Have a good one.

I wonder how many more people will get beat....
I personally do disaster control, when people get motors they blow up after spending all winters savings to be able to rip a good motor.
thats great for riders...
I am done with everything and could careless about competing or wasting anymore time and money.

Good luck Paul and Kathy have fun...

1000 dollars it gets turned into my fault for the motor blowing up !

Great Job Pete..... You list riders but list no details......Implying that all of these would be the builder's fault..... Nice Pete..... Do you even know the details of the above list....NO..... but it doesn't stop you does it? What is your purpose or reason? As far as replying to this latest slander - Paul will have to handle this one as I would never begin to speak for him on this!

$1000.00 dollars from you.....what a joke.... I have been involved with LPW for a year and 1/2 and I have never seen any monies from you...... I hope you didn't wait a whole year and 1/2 to rebuild your motor with the way that you ride...... But that would be Paul's fault right?..... You are unbelievable!

You're really a great person Pete and a true "inspiration" to the sport.....:splatt:

[PancakePete]

Thank you..... I feel I am safer with him than the knife you just stuck in his back! You need to reread my posts..... I never placed blame on anyone else - I just called you on your slander without all the details and proof.....

I have spent the day at your level...... It won't happen anymore! I am better than this!

[PancakePete]

ya what the F___.
you guys dont edit posts... Liar...
DOnt touch my posts....

I cant believe that you all say you dont touch posts and then you edit mine...

Edited my MILF ! :smashfreakB:

[335]

Wow. :eek2:

[PancakePete]

Thanks for eraseing that last post....

Because you guys are liars and dont want the public to see things..
I forgot that this is YOUR site...

By the riders for the BULSHIOT !

[MILF]

Thanks for eraseing that last post....

Because you guys are liars and dont want the public to see things..
I forgot that this is YOUR site...

By the riders for the BULSHIOT !

No that would be me -novice hitting the wrong button with the last reply - PLEASE REPOST! It was done in error and nothing else

[PancakePete]

Done... No matter what, I will be edited...

:censored:

Later.

[Big Kahuna]

Pete, with Admin/moderator status, any of us can click Quote or Edit and not realize it until it is too late...... That is all that happened, nothing malicious was intended.... People make mistakes.

[PancakePete]

Pete, with Admin/moderator status, any of us can click Quote or Edit and not realize it until it is too late...... That is all that happened, nothing malicious was intended.... People make mistakes.


Ya I remember being a mod... Waste....

I understand they next to eachother, funny it happens the same time she edits the post that gave some great evidence she was yacking aobut just that...

Its done.. I made my point..

[Big Kahuna]

Ya I remember being a mod... Waste....

I understand they next to eachother, funny it happens the same time she edits the post that gave some great evidence she was yacking aobut just that...

Its done.. I made my point..


and she asked you to repost......... please do so, send me what you posted and I can edit the post back.........

[The Penguin]

dayum is it February or what?

go ride, get drunk, have sex or something.

jeezus.

[MILF]

Thank you..... I feel I am safer with him than the knife you just stuck in his back! You need to reread my posts..... I never placed blame on anyone else - I just called you on your slander without all the details and proof.....

I have spent the day at your level...... It won't happen anymore! I am better than this!

BTW..... I do not yack!

That was my post and I hit Edit instead of Quote..... No admin or moderators would ever delete your post on purpose! I admitted my mistake honestly and tried to PM you to repost but you accused the site too fast of purposely doing this......

No worries - I am not longer a Moderator or a member of this site..... I need to get back to what is good in this sport and the good people involved.

Life is just too valuable!

[PancakePete]

I need to get back to what is good in this sport and the good people involved.

Life is just too valuable!

:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:

Ya... How many motorless are out there.
that is great for the sport..

You get back to that...
SOrry that is the 15+ blown motors that all must be...
Water ingestion, put together wrong... Or wait
the angle of my dangle....

Your right to valuable to put so many people Broke
as you get the benefits off broke arse, broken motor riders.
:banghead:

Bye...

[wydopen]

:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:

Ya... How many motorless are out there.
that is great for the sport..

You get back to that...
SOrry that is the 15+ blown motors that all must be...
Water ingestion, put together wrong... Or wait
the angle of my dangle....

Your right to valuable to put so many people Broke
as you get the benefits off broke arse, broken motor riders.
:banghead:

Bye...


hopefully you can build your own motors cause if i was an engine builder and read that i wouldnt build you one if you paid me..:surprised:

[The Penguin]

give it a rest

please

there is no need for all this BS

[Idok]

Pete.....you ever sit back and READ what you write before you post it up? :dunno:



rediculous man...Its easy to see that your pissed, but :thumbsdown:

[PancakePete]

Pete.....you ever sit back and READ what you write before you post it up? :dunno:



rediculous man...Its easy to see that your pissed, but :thumbsdown:

Ok..

I will re-read all of this...
Rediculous Yes... It is.. you spend what Friends and I have spent on motors then start Barkin when they last 10 hours.

[joesuperjet]

lol - this thread is busy........ Lots of eyes. :bigeyes2: :thinkerg: :shocked1: :mad: :ponder:

JAM

[The Penguin]

then why don't they speak up?

it is not your duty to speak for them.

it is not Kathy's duty to speak for Paul

you're both right - and you're both wrong.


I think some people are afraid to post complaints about LPW because of Paul's affiliation with this site.

I also think they are assuming too much. If every comment about competing shops was as moderated as you think they are - there would be nothing but good stuff ever posted about LPW and nothing but bad ever posted about Team Scream, CG Racing, TLR and etc (forgive me I don't know all "the players" in the engine building business)

The only problem I've ever seen Paul step in was between him and Full Throttle, and I don't blame him for doing so.

[sjetrider]

Dang did I click a WDK thread? WTF.

[Idok]

Ok..

I will re-read all of this...
Rediculous Yes... It is.. you spend what Friends and I have spent on motors then start Barkin when they last 10 hours.



i hear ya man..........


I have seen my share of probs with peeps LPW motors....., on the flip side I ran one for well over a year with countless sinkings and it never skipped a beat



:usa2:




just step back and take a breath.....your carb spring broke and your stuck at WOT right now :rant::smokin::beerchug:

[The Penguin]

OMG a post on the topic of this thread.

WTF are you thinking Steve? :biggrin:

[PancakePete]

i hear ya man..........


I have seen my share of probs with peeps LPW motors....., on the flip side I ran one for well over a year with countless sinkings and it never skipped a beat



:usa2:




just step back and take a breath.....your carb spring broke and your stuck at WOT right now :rant::smokin::beerchug:

LMAo... that was good !

[The Penguin]

nwo - get back to work Caddmonkey or I'm really going to send you a set of redlines.

[Idok]

LMAo... that was good !



:Banane09:

[tom21]

thank god ive never had a problem with any jestki companies. :smile:

you ride? mx right? more jibber jabber- silence your flap!:laugh2::clown::wall:

[Kaveman]

To me - you were just waiting for a chance to put this out there (with no back-up, - I might add) and trash someone you said yourself that you supported and sent tons of business in the past!

Hold on! I wouldn't try to tell ME that Pete has no back-up!

[The Penguin]

hasn't there been enough unpleasentness for 1 day?

I'm not taking sides in this. at all - but please start a new thread either here or in the feedback forums if you wish to continue this.

[sjetrider]

Hold on! I wouldn't try to tell ME that Pete has no back-up!

?????????

[PancakePete]

Hey Admin... You think that you can break this apart..
People got back on topic.. I would love to see how many people really have had beef and want to post, in a Paul lies and does motor experimence with others motors and money !

Can Admin Break this thing out with ALL the non related posts.... :dunno:
Or are you admin. :28:

[The Penguin]

there broken apart. Hopefully nothing was lost in the process.

I would ask that if you wish to continue this thread that you limit posts to direct first-hand knowledge and none of the "he said - she said" baloney.

[PancakePete]

there broken apart. Hopefully nothing was lost in the process.

I would ask that if you wish to continue this thread that you limit posts to direct first-hand knowledge and none of the "he said - she said" baloney.

Thank you Penguin.

[oxnard111]

there broken apart. Hopefully nothing was lost in the process.

I would ask that if you wish to continue this thread that you limit posts to direct first-hand knowledge and none of the "he said - she said" baloney.

I like bologna

[RonnyMac]

Wow..... Sad

[Goose]

Id like to keep my name out of this.I didnt post anything about you hanging out at with Mark at FullThrottle when i was posting facts about him not giving my cylinders back.
Which I still haven gotten them Back.and thats total BS he cant use the excuse that i havent tried to pay him now
And yes I had problems 2 times this year with my LPW bigbore.was I happy at the time it had problems NO who would be happy when their motor lets go.I called paul and he worked to fix it both times.
their could have been a list of problems
too much timing
deto
water injestion
wore crank bearing
bad pistons
pistons not getting cooled
ect I didnt point a finger at anyone the fact the he stood behind it and fixed it means alot when it comes down to it.and i even sent another cyl down for him to do.
also look at the list of the riders you posted.think about how hard thoes motors were being pounded.

[kid4now]

thank god ive never had a problem with any jestki companies. :smile:

After this thread I expect to see you guys having a beer together and remanising(sp) about old times :pokey: .

Anyone have a good website to get some antidepressant meds?

Wow........ :noevil:

[Wattage]

I personally don't like this thread at all....it makes me feel sad and uneasy. Can't we all just get along?

I can picture it now...there's a big ride thats been organised, and there's 5 or 6 different groups there who keep to themselves, and won't ride together. There's some awkward and tense moments, and no-one really enjoys themselves. It keeps happening until everyone gets together and talks about it and decides to let it go, or go thier own seperate ways...

[onesojourner]

I think its good that feelind get aired out.

and on another note I do not think any business should own this site in any way and no business should be a moderator. If some one wants to have an ad up thats fine but that should be the end of it. I guess I just don't know who owns what and who is in charge of what.

[crammit442]

I think its good that feelind get aired out.

and on another note I do not think any business should own this site in any way and no business should be a moderator. If some one wants to have an ad up thats fine but that should be the end of it. I guess I just don't know who owns what and who is in charge of what.

ABSOLUTELY!!! Remember John @JSS? What a mess that was!:swordfight:

[Matt_E]

The effects of that one are still lingering.

[The Penguin]

Just to clear things up -

Paul is an admin (and site owner). Kathy was a mod. I've never seen either of them delete or edit a post concerning any business issues with LPW or any other company, that I recall (with the exception of Full Throttle)

Kathy voluntarily gave up her moderator position after accidentaly editing one of Pete's posts. I've done it in the past - it's very easy to make the mistake. When a regular user makes a post - you have an "edit" and "quote" button at the lower right.

We get an "edit" and "quote" button on every post. It's easy to click the wrong button. I've done it several times myself. But then I caught myself before I submitted.

[WFO Speedracer]

I don't know Pete from Adam.I don't know Paul real well either,we did meet for breakfast earlier this year scouting for sites for the freeride.I owe no allegience to either.I do know what I have seen posted here however.Pete this is not the first time you have come on here ranting and raving and generally making everyones life miserable,its also not the first time your post have had to be moved and ,or cleaned up.Man up, call Paul and discuss any problems you have with him in person,he seems like a reasonable guy to me..



2 cents and worth every penny

[PancakePete]

Id like to keep my name out of this.I didnt post anything about you hanging out at with Mark at FullThrottle when i was posting facts about him not giving my cylinders back.
Which I still haven gotten them Back.and thats total BS he cant use the excuse that i havent tried to pay him now
And yes I had problems 2 times this year with my LPW bigbore.was I happy at the time it had problems NO who would be happy when their motor lets go.I called paul and he worked to fix it both times.
their could have been a list of problems
too much timing
deto
water injestion
wore crank bearing
bad pistons
pistons not getting cooled
ect I didnt point a finger at anyone the fact the he stood behind it and fixed it means alot when it comes down to it.and i even sent another cyl down for him to do.
also look at the list of the riders you posted.think about how hard thoes motors were being pounded.

You were the one yacking about all the BS with the motor... that is the same motor that Ross blew up....

As for me hangin out with all the shops in/around Toms River (Lacey Powersports, Tr Kawy, R-Rated, Full Throttle) I can hang with whoever I want... WTF is that...
Next time dont bitch at Alex and others about LPW motors and then post this crap...

[PancakePete]

I don't know Pete from Adam.I don't know Paul real well either,we did meet for breakfast earlier this year scouting for sites for the freeride.I owe no allegience to either.I do know what I have seen posted here however.Pete this is not the first time you have come on here ranting and raving and generally making everyones life miserable,its also not the first time your post have had to be moved and ,or cleaned up.Man up, call Paul and discuss any problems you have with him in person,he seems like a reasonable guy to me..



2 cents and worth every penny

Thank you... wedo !
I rant a little to much... But half the people dont have enough balls to say anything... and so many people are getting dicked.
I just had enough, when half my friends sitting on big dollar motors and then they blow anyway.. So after I blew my motor this weekend, that was it... I am sick of SEEing motor after motor after motor blown by pauls lack of R&D whatever... Its Bull... and I understand if something happens but paul is doing all this new motor stuff and its not proven.. and this is what he thre Dan stien under the bus for... SO maybe I am an asshole for all this.. But so is he for beating so many... Sorry.

[unclehulka13]

This thread Delivers.

Heres what I'm wondering. If there were so many problems with Paul's work, why did you ride with/for him for the longest time? You didn't seem to have a problem getting free stuff from him.

[2nd nature]

then why don't they speak up?

it is not your duty to speak for them.

it is not Kathy's duty to speak for Paul

you're both right - and you're both wrong.


I think some people are afraid to post complaints about LPW because of Paul's affiliation with this site.

I also think they are assuming too much. If every comment about competing shops was as moderated as you think they are - there would be nothing but good stuff ever posted about LPW and nothing but bad ever posted about Team Scream, CG Racing, TLR and etc (forgive me I don't know all "the players" in the engine building business)

The only problem I've ever seen Paul step in was between him and Full Throttle, and I don't blame him for doing so.

my magoo freestyle ported 760 back up motor .had problems the sleeves that were installed dropped and i think 3 time certs came out . had another builder fix problems.

[Flash-FX]

OK...Since my name was mentioned in that list, here's my 2 cents. Yes, I bought motor from Jr. Magoo's (Paul). Since then,he has moved and re-named his business to LPW. Everyone knows this already. I ordered a stock stroke Lamey that took awhile to finally get (because of the move). But it did not "blow up". The problem with that motor was a casting imperfection on the carburetor side of the cylinder, just above the "DASA" stamping. A 1" long crack leaked/sprayed a small amount of water on the carbs that could have been "bandaided" with some JB weld. When I called Paul,he said send it back. He took care of it right away. Don Lamey sent a new ported cylinder that was forwarded to me at N/C.
Lucky for me that I had a freshly ported 61X cylinder setup to drop back on the bottom end so no riding time was lost (It's running so good I don't want to take it apart).
I hate to get involved with any of the "BS" threads, but....there you go.
Pete, I had a good time riding with you & the guys last weekend. I hope you get things between bud's worked out.
....................Gordon

[Wolf Child]

wow... just wow.


this is a side of Pete, I've not seen before. I must have missed out on something during my 6mo. hiatus.


I hope this geets worked out amicably

[PancakePete]

This thread Delivers.

Heres what I'm wondering. If there were so many problems with Paul's work, why did you ride with/for him for the longest time? You didn't seem to have a problem getting free stuff from him.

Actually, If you want to know... According to Ring side.... Me and another Fellow... Paul copied my porting on my cyl. from last year and year before from Tim Judge motor... It was not his recent porting for the last year and a half. That is why it lasted 200 hours, because it was a copied porting.
Its amazing how much you learn, when not getting feed that you are messing things up !
Problem getting Free Stuff... I bought that motor and Paid Paul for ALL my Parts.. the only sponsorship was he took TIME for porting off any bill.
And if you knew me Unlkesuckme... I go out of my way to use my sponsorships to help others... from Slippery to Klotz !

[Gainera2582]

Bottom line is this: Every company no matter how good their reputation is, there will always have bad experiences once in awhile. Sometimes they can be resolved, other times they can't.

Nobody ever said business was easy, and I give props to all companies that manage to stay in business and support our sport through all the hardships.

[crammit442]

Actually, If you want to know... According to Ring side.... Me and another Fellow... Paul copied my porting on my cyl. from last year and year before from Tim Judge motor... It was not his recent porting for the last year and a half. That is why it lasted 200 hours, because it was a copied porting.
Its amazing how much you learn, when not getting feed that you are messing things up !
Problem getting Free Stuff... I bought that motor and Paid Paul for ALL my Parts.. the only sponsorship was he took TIME for porting off any bill.
And if you knew me Unlkesuckme... I go out of my way to use my sponsorships to help others... from Slippery to Klotz !

:bigeyes2::bigeyes2::bigeyes2:

[WFO Speedracer]

I can sympathize somewhat Pete,I had a few run ins with SBT on the other site,I bought about 25 engines from them,most boomeranged on me pretty quickly,as the seller and installer I ate quite a bit of that myself as a service to my customers and in an effort to repair their units as quickly as possible.I brought up my concerns on a couple of posts ,but whether I was right or wrong I still looked like an asshat for bringing it up on their site.I see some similarities here.

[joesuperjet]

Actually, If you want to know... According to Ring side.... Me and another Fellow... Paul copied my porting on my cyl. from last year and year before from Tim Judge motor... It was not his recent porting for the last year and a half. That is why it lasted 200 hours, because it was a copied porting.
Its amazing how much you learn, when not getting feed that you are messing things up !
Problem getting Free Stuff... I bought that motor and Paid Paul for ALL my Parts.. the only sponsorship was he took TIME for porting off any bill.
And if you knew me Unlkesuckme... I go out of my way to use my sponsorships to help others... from Slippery to Klotz !


Thats not something I like to hear, being a good friend of TJ... :squint:

JAM

[unclehulka13]

Actually, If you want to know... According to Ring side.... Me and another Fellow... Paul copied my porting on my cyl. from last year and year before from Tim Judge motor... It was not his recent porting for the last year and a half. That is why it lasted 200 hours, because it was a copied porting.
Its amazing how much you learn, when not getting feed that you are messing things up !
Problem getting Free Stuff... I bought that motor and Paid Paul for ALL my Parts.. the only sponsorship was he took TIME for porting off any bill.
And if you knew me Unlkesuckme... I go out of my way to use my sponsorships to help others... from Slippery to Klotz !


Well, labor is more expensive than anything else. So i wouldn't be complaining.

You can hurl all the insults you want, even I wont stoop as low as you right now.

[The Penguin]

somebody educate me -

is porting that much of a secret that copying what one builder does is that big of a deal?

or is it more like "if it ain't broke - don't fix it" ?

[The Penguin]

You were the one yacking about all the BS with the motor... that is the same motor that Ross blew up....

As for me hangin out with all the shops in/around Toms River (Lacey Powersports, Tr Kawy, R-Rated, Full Throttle) I can hang with whoever I want... WTF is that...
Next time dont bitch at Alex and others about LPW motors and then post this crap...
so he can't gripe to his buds if he won't get on here and back you up or publicly gripe at LPW? :bsflag:

[Big Kahuna]

Actually, If you want to know... According to Ring side.... Me and another Fellow... Paul copied my porting on my cyl. from last year and year before from Tim Judge motor... It was not his recent porting for the last year and a half. That is why it lasted 200 hours, because it was a copied porting.
Its amazing how much you learn, when not getting feed that you are messing things up !
Problem getting Free Stuff... I bought that motor and Paid Paul for ALL my Parts.. the only sponsorship was he took TIME for porting off any bill.
And if you knew me Unlkesuckme... I go out of my way to use my sponsorships to help others... from Slippery to Klotz !


Pete, I am at a loss for words.......... I hate seeing friends grow apart......

on a side note, I thought that ADA Billet Stroker motor that you ran all last year was part of your sponsorship........ Any body have any idea what that motor is worth? Hey Crammit, you are running one aren't you?.....I would have been honored to have had a motor like that offered to me so I could compete on....... How many competitions did you compete on with that motor? Cant remember if you had that motor in your boat at Myrtle Beach along with that wrap around chamber.

Heck, My TLR Motor took a dump permanently a month ago. Guess I should give Todd LeChance a call and ask him why it failed on me since he built it........

[PancakePete]

so he can't gripe to his buds if he won't get on here and back you up or publicly gripe at LPW? :bsflag:
http://www.x-h2o.com/showthread.php?t=21338

No he has other people make threads like this...
Look for yourself...
Dont post for me.... No post for me. No.. Ya... No...
:spank:

[PancakePete]

Pete, I am at a loss for words.......... I hate seeing friends grow apart......

on a side note, I thought that ADA Billet Stroker motor that you ran all last year was part of your sponsorship........ I would have been honored to have had a motor like that offered to me so I could compete on....... How many competitions did you compete on with that motor? Cant remember if you had that motor in your boat at Myrtle Beach along with that wrap around chamber.

Heck, My TLR Motor took a dump permanently a month ago. Guess I should give Todd LeChance a call and ask him why it failed on me since he built it........

Yes.. I have thanked Him. sent him the business up and down everywhere. I can see if people that are getting these blown motors
have time on them.. but your talking a couple rides.....

[The Penguin]

Let Goose (or anyone else for that matter) speak for themselves. If he does not want to be involved - don't drag him into it.

[PancakePete]

Let Goose (or anyone else for that matter) speak for themselves. If he does not want to be involved - don't drag him into it.

OK....:bsflag:
because if your not for certain people on this board... Your shot !
Hey all that want to bitch about others and then when they see it the are cowards... hold on.. call me 1-800-EAT-CRAP or email bitch@yousuck.org
:dunce:

[skibums4life]

Everyone does have to admit this site does have favorites and bandwagons

[snowxr]

After seeing your posts on SBTtoday concerning Paul and Mark ( new 24/7 ) I lost some respect for you, Pete. You were bitching out Mark for trying to squash a fued between him and Paul. Now you are here bitching out Paul for building motors that have failed for one reason or another.

I have one thing to say. EDITED BY ADMIN - COMMENTS BROKE SITE RULES Go somewhere else. We don't need this crap from you.

BTW, you're not coming to Frestyle Fest, right? We all want to have a good time.

Kurt

[Adam]

I don't know Pete from Adam.

Im a bit taller and gave more of a tan :wavey:

Pete, dont let the internet BS get infront of your sponsorships/friendships, it will tear you apart if you let it! Come the Daytona I hope you and Paul can resolve this so I can buy you both a beer :sad2:

[njfl]

somebody educate me -

is porting that much of a secret that copying what one builder does is that big of a deal?

or is it more like "if it ain't broke - don't fix it" ?

If you rely on someone who copies, then it's like getting a second generation photocopy (never as good as the original).

Additionally, if a builder has done his homework, he understands the repercussions of small variances on his portwork. If someone is copying and makes a slight err on the copy, it could throw of the entire setup and performance all the way down to jetting and ignition timing. If they don't have the firsthand understanding of the variations, they will never get the engine optimally tuned.

When I was getting my first billet ADA motor built I went with Chuckie (Team Scream) because he talked my ear off and showed me tons of port mapping he did wiuth notes from the past 10 + years. His shop was a little messy :smile:, but he clearly knew his stuff. I don't regret my decision one bit.

With my second ADA, I went with Jetworks, but only after Art also talked my ear off, filling my head with valuable insight and proving to me that he knew the impact of the various porting. Again, I don't regret that decision one bit.

Both of those guys helped me get set up with killer motors and remotely diagnosed them because they knew exactly every detail about their machine work from their years of experience.

[PancakePete]

After seeing your posts on SBTtoday concerning Paul and Mark ( new 24/7 ) I lost some respect for you, Pete. You were bitching out Mark for trying to squash a fued between him and Paul. Now you are here bitching out Paul for building motors that have failed for one reason or another.

I have one thing to say.EDITED BY ADMIN Go somewhere else. We don't need this crap from you.

BTW, you're not coming to Frestyle Fest, right? We all want to have a good time.

Kurt

EDITED BY ADMIN AFTER POSTER SAID HE REMOVE COMMENTS THAT BROKE SITE RULES

Mark and Paul... that is there deal, just like Paul have beef with Lacey, R-rated and others.. that is his deal...
And if mark or lacey or R-rated does something, I would bitch them out.
Example, one of Laceys guys hit my bro-inlaws skis and did damage and I went there and told chris and he is ordering the parts and the kid that hit him is paying for it....

[crammit442]

Im a bit taller and gave more of a tan :wavey:

Pete, dont let the internet BS get infront of your sponsorships/friendships, it will tear you apart if you let it! Come the Daytona I hope you and Paul can resolve this so I can buy you both a beer :sad2:

In a couple of years when you're old enough to buy beer?:haha:

[Adam]

In a couple of years when you're old enough to buy beer?:haha:

Since when has that stopped me!?:friday:

[WaHoo_1]

ummm if you have a problem with a builder or supplier/ seller... leave the negative feedback and move on. Your dig sounds personal. Pick up the phone and call him. Simple enough.

[skibums4life]

Pete,

Just a question when I came down to pick up harrisons hull you pushed LPW so hard and said he made great stuff. I bet all those motors did not blow up in the last 7 months or whatever it was when I first met you. I understand sponsorship and to push the products you are using. What exactly happened from that time frame to now?

[RonnyMac]

Heck, My TLR Motor took a dump permanently a month ago. Guess I should give Todd LeChance a call and ask him why it failed on me since he built it........
Find me a builder who doesn't have motors blow up and I'll find you beach front property in AZ.
Paul was a sponsor of you for years. All along you said Paul is the best in the biz. Now you seem to be buddying up with Mark, and now Paul builds crap? What gives?! Whats next? Klotz makes crappy oil? Ecko makes sh#tty clothes? Slippery is the worst gear ever? Companies looking for riders to sponsor.... Beware!
I cant believe you would say such things about a long time sponsor. More importantly, a long time friend. Really disappointing.

[PancakePete]

Pete,

Just a question when I came down to pick up harrisons hull you pushed LPW so hard and said he made great stuff. I bet all those motors did not blow up in the last 7 months or whatever it was when I first met you. I understand sponsorship and to push the products you are using. What exactly happened from that time frame to now?

How bout things are sometimes made different for riders than others. I dont agree with that either... But at the time, I had the Paul blinders on and did not realize half the crap going on... and I thought my old motor was not copied either... If alot of what is said here is denied, I have proof from way way back.. I did and would kept pushing if motors would stay together... I almost look at it as robbing people... and if my motor was what he gives others I would have 10 times the problems I already have... with blown ******** and whatnot...
I had one ride on my new motor when I meet you.. and also had about 10 friends that have blown since... Slut is on # 6... and that is public because it has been at every freeride... I have learned alot, and been beat enough... Is that enough for you ?

[PancakePete]

Find me a builder who doesn't have motors blow up and I'll find you beach front property in AZ.
Paul was a sponsor of you for years. All along you said Paul is the best in the biz. Now you seem to be buddying up with Mark, and now Paul builds crap? What gives?! Whats next? Klotz makes crappy oil? Ecko makes sh#tty clothes? Slippery is the worst gear ever? Companies looking for riders to sponsor.... Beware!
I cant believe you would say such things about a long time sponsor. More importantly, a long time friend. Really disappointing.


Whatever... I am not budding with anyone... NIce though I like how everything gets twisted. I have no beef with anyone else, company wise... I am sick of people getting strait up robbed and others covering..
How many paul motors you have ????

I am done with it all. I am going to fix my piece of ******** motor and then either sell or piece it out.

[skibums4life]

Yes that's more then enough, I was just wondering what's happened from then and now. Sorry to get in the middle Pete I didn't have any background other then what you told me so thanks for clearing it up.

[jeepmark4x4]

haha speaking of...*I need sponsors*

.....but seriously, Paul is such a good guy its ridiculous. He has helped me and my family out from day 1 with advice and equipment, and I KNOW he has with countless other people too.

[PancakePete]

haha speaking of...*I need sponsors*

.....but seriously, Paul is such a good guy its ridiculous. He has helped me and my family out from day 1 with advice and equipment, and I KNOW he has with countless other people too.

huh:chairshot:

[jeepmark4x4]

Just thought I'd try and break up the tension...if ya'll are that good, why not just run stockers and get the awesome Yamaha warranty.

[Scorn800]

As a friend and sponsor of Pete. I agree with him. His sponsorship with LPW since he left NJ has been pretty much nothing. Mutiple people here in NJ have had problems with his motors. I personally had problems with my last order.

[PancakePete]

Find me a builder who doesn't have motors blow up and I'll find you beach front property in AZ.
Paul was a sponsor of you for years. All along you said Paul is the best in the biz. Now you seem to be buddying up with Mark, and now Paul builds crap? What gives?! Whats next? Klotz makes crappy oil? Ecko makes sh#tty clothes? Slippery is the worst gear ever? Companies looking for riders to sponsor.... Beware!
I cant believe you would say such things about a long time sponsor. More importantly, a long time friend. Really disappointing.

Still cant believe that...... Bullshiot.. :bsflag:

Just thought I'd try and break up the tension...if ya'll are that good, why not just run stockers and get the awesome Yamaha warranty.
Damn good Idea !

As a friend and sponsor of Pete. I agree with him. His sponsorship with LPW since he left NJ has been pretty much nothing. Mutiple people here in NJ have had problems with his motors. I personally had problems with my last order.
Freakin word.

[nikad58]

I wana jump in did someone say Lisa ?? lol

[PancakePete]

i know someone who wants a lightweight hull:biggrin:

There is a 4 sale section.. I am done riding.. Going to pick up golf ! :spankme:

[Goose]

#59 08-13-2007, 01:31 PM
PancakePete
---- Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Toms River, NJ
Posts: 2,538

I think that these threads are hilarious...

you see LPW getting knocked on here when people wait 5 months for motors... NOPE.

do you see the same when people wait 6 for team scream...

Or how bout when those motors blow up ..

NOPE not published...

Ya... all of the builders have good and bads... I just think its funny so many people beat companies up...

Reason 1,023,309,403,040,249,820,948.0 I'm sick of it all.
that was taken off my neg feedback forum of the new 24-7
Now who threw who under the bus.you had no business sticking your nose in their.but you had to cause your hangin out with you a$$hole buddy mark.hes nothing more than a squid thats gonna stroke you and stroke you like he is now. then screw you.i know ive been thrue it.
and yea i had someone post the pics for me cause i wasnt smartenough to post the pics look in my build thread i had to have someone post pics in that.

[SJBrit]

I am done riding..

Again? Really Pete, I have nothing to say here one way or another about anyone's motors, but you really need to be careful not to lose credibility if you're trying to make a point. Perhaps you have something important to say that people need to learn - I don't know. What I do know is that your childish antics diminish anything that you have to say, which is a shame since you have a lot of insight and experience to offer. How many more times are we going to have to witness your histrionics, and watch you flounce off vowing never to ride again? It's just so tiresome....

[PancakePete]

#59 08-13-2007, 01:31 PM
PancakePete
---- Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Toms River, NJ
Posts: 2,538

I think that these threads are hilarious...

you see LPW getting knocked on here when people wait 5 months for motors... NOPE.

do you see the same when people wait 6 for team scream...

Or how bout when those motors blow up ..

NOPE not published...

Ya... all of the builders have good and bads... I just think its funny so many people beat companies up...

Reason 1,023,309,403,040,249,820,948.0 I'm sick of it all.
that was taken off my neg feedback forum of the new 24-7
Now who threw who under the bus.you had no business sticking your nose in their.but you had to cause your hangin out with you a$$hole buddy mark.hes nothing more than a squid thats gonna stroke you and stroke you like he is now. then screw you.i know ive been thrue it.
and yea i had someone post the pics for me cause i wasnt smartenough to post the pics look in my build thread i had to have someone post pics in that.

Add to that some more you lieing sack of ******** !

[jeepmark4x4]

I'll lighten up the air in here, no pun intended....if ya'll want reliability get one of these like I picked up last Saturday. Be like me everybody :loser:

[Gainera2582]

Seriously, if you want reliable, stick with a stock motor with a pipe and call it a day.

Id rather ride than have to wrench all day.

[PancakePete]

Again? Really Pete, I have nothing to say here one way or another about anyone's motors, but you really need to be careful not to lose credibility if you're trying to make a point. Perhaps you have something important to say that people need to learn - I don't know. What I do know is that your childish antics diminish anything that you have to say, which is a shame since you have a lot of insight and experience to offer. How many more times are we going to have to witness your histrionics, and watch you flounce off vowing never to ride again? It's just so tiresome....

You are right... Seriously.. this is all headache...

[Kaveman]

This is my experience with Jr Magoos/LPW...

Before I get into this I want to say that NOT ONE WORD OF THIS POST would have made it to your eyes if MILF had not stated that Pete had nothing to back up his claim. That said, here goes.

Met Paul at Lone Star Freeride in March 2005 when one of my best friends received his engine from Jr Magoos. After talking with my friend and Paul I gave him $2000.00 for big bore DASA cylinder and pistons. At this time I also gave him a set of "t" cases to epoxy and port. A couple of weeks later I called Protec and bought 2 billet 6mm stroker cranks. I sent one to Paul and asked if he would clearance the cases and assemble the motor. I also sent him an ADA shell Factory Pipe manifold and "B" head pipe asking if he would get the correct domes for the new engine and clearance the pipe and manifold for powervalves. His reply to all was "sure." I asked him when he thought it would be finished to which he replied a month or two.

My plan after purchasing the two cranks was to build 2 identicle engines. At first he stated that he was having difficulty getting cylinders from Dan due to the sheer demand and short supply. OK. After he finally got the cylinder it took a while to get it ported and assembled. I spoke with Paul and asked if he wanted the other crank I had purchased in exchange for credit on my final bill. He said yes and I sent it with a friend to Lanier to hand over to him. I paid $678 something shipped for the crank. We agreed on this number to be credited toward my total. More time passes, we are now in late June. Call Paul and check how things are coming. He stated that the powervalve passages were not machined to the correct size and he would have to redo that himself. Another 2 weeks go by and check back with him. He stated he had the engine assembled and was running it on the dyno and it was making good horsepower over 150, but then began to abruptly fall off. He disassembled the engine to find that the cylinders were leaking water into the ports from between the casting and the sleeves. Stated that he had to take the sleeves out and "re-glue" them into the casting. This is where I began to have concerns about the build (never heard of sleeves being glued in, just cooled and casting heated then set into place or pressed and left to cool slowly.) Paul stated that he had a few things left to get it the way he wanted it but that it would ship out Monday. Monday a week later came and no engine. After talking to Paul same thing, "It will ship on Monday". This happened exactly the same for a few times. Finally I just quit calling to check being fed up with empty promises and lies.

Middle of September rolls around. Get a call from Paul stating that the engine had shipped. A few days later I finally get my engine. I take it out of the plastic bag it was wrapped in to find a blob of grease covered with metal shavings in one of the intake tracts. Next I do a mock mounting of the head pipe (the exhaust manifold was mounted to the cylinder upon arrival.) The head pipe, which had been cut and welded and then touched up with a die grinder to clear the rear powervalve, would not fit. The powervalve cover on the rear cylinder was holding the head pipe from sitting flush on the exhaust manifold to head pipe gasket. I called Paul expressing my displeasure. He stated that he wasn't sure how the grease got into the engine and that the pipe had to fit tight to help hold the rear powervalve cover in place. Not once in our conversation did Paul offer to "fix" the problems. I went from very excited to very disappointed.

I cleaned the crankcase out and took my die grinder to the under side of the head pipe and in about 30-40 minutes had it ready to install. Took it home that evening (had it delivered to the Yamaha dealership where I work as a technician) and began installing the other components. When I tried to bolt up the pickup plate the bolts would only go in afew turns. The cases I supplied Paul had been sitting around quite a while. I didn't know it at the time but evidently the stator mounting holes were full of dirt. No big deal just clean it out with some carb spray and a tap. Then I thought about it. How could he have "dyno-ed" this engine without bolting up a stator? This made me curious. I pulled the head off and found NO evidence that this engine had ever been running. There was absolutely 0 carbon on the domes nor any on the crown of the pistons. Pauls response to this was that he didn't dyno it after he fixed the water problem and that when he dynos an engine he uses the 760 or Kawasaki 750/800 style ignition there for he doesn't use those bolt holes. Here's where another thing that doesn't add up comes in to play. The cases I supplied him had been rewelded where a customer had tried to pry his flywheel off and broke a 1 1/2" portion of the lower case at the 6 o'clock position. When Simms racing repaired the cases they got the alignment of the bolt hole slightly off. Either Paul never bolted the cover mounted stator or it is possible he just didn't use that hole.

A few days later I had the engine installed complete with NEW 48mm Full Spectrum carbureters, manifold, R131a Rad valves and Mikuni dual line fuel pump Prok flame arrestors and fuel filters along with NEW MSD pro digital multi channel total loss ignition system. I take it to the lake and it runs good...for about an hour or so. The engine began to bog down low and on the trailer it would run away. It had an air leak between the cylinder and the cases behind the magneto where the "pry" relief is. Took the ski home, called Paul and bitched some more. Again he did not offer to "fix" the issue. I disassembled the engine to find a stock gasket that was trimmed to accept the big bore cylinders, but not trimmed to match the oversized and additional transfer ports of the DASA cylinder. The leak was caused by the one of the transfer port openings on the cylinder to case mating surface extended over into the hollow portion of the upper case. Yes, the same cases that were supposed to be epoxied...but weren't. After further disassembly it became apparent that the engine cases were not ported at all. The cases had been clearanced to accept the additional 6mm of stroke. It was not machined, looked as though this "professional" engine builder had done it with a die grinder.

I spend the next few days filling the cases with epoxy and decking the high spots created by the epoxy. I also did a minimum amount of porting to the area of the top case half to make a smooth transition from cases to cylinder assembly. When I finished and reassembled the engine and lake tested I couldn't believe the difference. This thing will rip your arms off from the instant you touch the throttle.

I received the engine before I ever got a bill. After a few calls to Paul asking for a bill I quit calling. One year later in Crystal Beach at the same Lone Star Freeride where I first contacted him about the build we talked again about a bill. He said he would have to get back to the shop and sit down and work one up. A few weeks later a bill arrives showing the $2678.something credit and owing an additional $850. When the bill arrived I called him letting him know that now we needed to discuss my bill for having to do some of the work he was supposed to have done and the work that wasn't done properly. We agreed on a price of $600.

Where I made a bad judgement in this deal was continuing to think about everything. I decided that Bull********, I will not pay him another dime. I had to redo everything and still wait one full year from our original talk to finally get a price. Screw that!

This spring I paid him the $600 after a few back and forth pms and cut ties.

[PancakePete]

This is my experience with Jr Magoos/LPW...

Before I get into this I want to say that NOT ONE WORD OF THIS POST would have made it to your eyes if MILF had not stated that Pete had nothing to back up his claim. That said, here goes.

Met Paul at Lone Star Freeride in March 2005 when one of my best friends received his engine from Jr Magoos. After talking with my friend and Paul I gave him $2000.00 for big bore DASA cylinder and pistons. At this time I also gave him a set of "t" cases to epoxy and port. A couple of weeks later I called Protec and bought 2 billet 6mm stroker cranks. I sent one to Paul and asked if he would clearance the cases and assemble the motor. I also sent him an ADA shell Factory Pipe manifold and "B" head pipe asking if he would get the correct domes for the new engine and clearance the pipe and manifold for powervalves. His reply to all was "sure." I asked him when he thought it would be finished to which he replied a month or two.

My plan after purchasing the two cranks was to build 2 identicle engines. At first he stated that he was having difficulty getting cylinders from Dan due to the sheer demand and short supply. OK. After he finally got the cylinder it took a while to get it ported and assembled. I spoke with Paul and asked if he wanted the other crank I had purchased in exchange for credit on my final bill. He said yes and I sent it with a friend to Lanier to hand over to him. I paid $678 something shipped for the crank. We agreed on this number to be credited toward my total. More time passes, we are now in late June. Call Paul and check how things are coming. He stated that the powervalve passages were not machined to the correct size and he would have to redo that himself. Another 2 weeks go by and check back with him. He stated he had the engine assembled and was running it on the dyno and it was making good horsepower over 150, but then began to abruptly fall off. He disassembled the engine to find that the cylinders were leaking water into the ports from between the casting and the sleeves. Stated that he had to take the sleeves out and "re-glue" them into the casting. This is where I began to have concerns about the build (never heard of sleeves being glued in, just cooled and casting heated then set into place or pressed and left to cool slowly.) Paul stated that he had a few things left to get it the way he wanted it but that it would ship out Monday. Monday a week later came and no engine. After talking to Paul same thing, "It will ship on Monday". This happened exactly the same for a few times. Finally I just quit calling to check being fed up with empty promises and lies.

Middle of September rolls around. Get a call from Paul stating that the engine had shipped. A few days later I finally get my engine. I take it out of the plastic bag it was wrapped in to find a blob of grease covered with metal shavings in one of the intake tracts. Next I do a mock mounting of the head pipe (the exhaust manifold was mounted to the cylinder upon arrival.) The head pipe, which had been cut and welded and then touched up with a die grinder to clear the rear powervalve, would not fit. The powervalve cover on the rear cylinder was holding the head pipe from sitting flush on the exhaust manifold to head pipe gasket. I called Paul expressing my displeasure. He stated that he wasn't sure how the grease got into the engine and that the pipe had to fit tight to help hold the rear powervalve cover in place. Not once in our conversation did Paul offer to "fix" the problems. I went from very excited to very disappointed.

I cleaned the crankcase out and took my die grinder to the under side of the head pipe and in about 30-40 minutes had it ready to install. Took it home that evening (had it delivered to the Yamaha dealership where I work as a technician) and began installing the other components. When I tried to bolt up the pickup plate the bolts would only go in afew turns. The cases I supplied Paul had been sitting around quite a while. I didn't know it at the time but evidently the stator mounting holes were full of dirt. No big deal just clean it out with some carb spray and a tap. Then I thought about it. How could he have "dyno-ed" this engine without bolting up a stator? This made me curious. I pulled the head off and found NO evidence that this engine had ever been running. There was absolutely 0 carbon on the domes nor any on the crown of the pistons. Pauls response to this was that he didn't dyno it after he fixed the water problem and that when he dynos an engine he uses the 760 or Kawasaki 750/800 style ignition there for he doesn't use those bolt holes. Here's where another thing that doesn't add up comes in to play. The cases I supplied him had been rewelded where a customer had tried to pry his flywheel off and broke a 1 1/2" portion of the lower case at the 6 o'clock position. When Simms racing repaired the cases they got the alignment of the bolt hole slightly off. Either Paul never bolted the cover mounted stator or it is possible he just didn't use that hole.

A few days later I had the engine installed complete with NEW 48mm Full Spectrum carbureters, manifold, R131a Rad valves and Mikuni dual line fuel pump Prok flame arrestors and fuel filters along with NEW MSD pro digital multi channel total loss ignition system. I take it to the lake and it runs good...for about an hour or so. The engine began to bog down low and on the trailer it would run away. It had an air leak between the cylinder and the cases behind the magneto where the "pry" relief is. Took the ski home, called Paul and bitched some more. Again he did not offer to "fix" the issue. I disassembled the engine to find a stock gasket that was trimmed to accept the big bore cylinders, but not trimmed to match the oversized and additional transfer ports of the DASA cylinder. The leak was caused by the one of the transfer port openings on the cylinder to case mating surface extended over into the hollow portion of the upper case. Yes, the same cases that were supposed to be epoxied...but weren't. After further disassembly it became apparent that the engine cases were not ported at all. The cases had been clearanced to accept the additional 6mm of stroke. It was not machined, looked as though this "professional" engine builder had done it with a die grinder.

I spend the next few days filling the cases with epoxy and decking the high spots created by the epoxy. I also did a minimum amount of porting to the area of the top case half to make a smooth transition from cases to cylinder assembly. When I finished and reassembled the engine and lake tested I couldn't believe the difference. This thing will rip your arms off from the instant you touch the throttle.

I received the engine before I ever got a bill. After a few calls to Paul asking for a bill I quit calling. One year later in Crystal Beach at the same Lone Star Freeride where I first contacted him about the build we talked again about a bill. He said he would have to get back to the shop and sit down and work one up. A few weeks later a bill arrives showing the $2678.something credit and owing an additional $850. When the bill arrived I called him letting him know that now we needed to discuss my bill for having to do some of the work he was supposed to have done and the work that wasn't done properly. We agreed on a price of $600.

Where I made a bad judgement in this deal was continuing to think about everything. I decided that Bull********, I will not pay him another dime. I had to redo everything and still wait one full year from our original talk to finally get a price. Screw that!

This spring I paid him the $600 after a few back and forth pms and cut ties.

Awesome... that is the invisible super duper Dyno... I have heard about it and cleaned his shop and moved him.. I never saw it either... LIAR !
I'm the asshole.. LMFAO ! Thank you Kaveman..
There is a couple more of these stories that will be up tomorrow.
Until then..... buy something.. http://www.x-h2o.com/showthread.php?p=337575#post337575
Thank you ! :Banane35:

[guiness92]

:shrug:


very sad reading to someone thats friends with all involved.

[The Penguin]

:shrug:


very sad reading to someone thats friends with all involved.
my thoughts exactly.

[Jawbreaker]

my thoughts exactly.

Me 3 :indifferent:

[Kaveman]

Don't like it either. Held off from posting for 2 years, but I couldn't let her call Pete a liar knowing the experience I had. I am well past the angry but never over being just.

[PancakePete]

Sorry to make you sad guys...

I just need to expose some truths out there...

[CuzzinOlaf]

I don't post here much, but know of a few people who have said the EXACT same thing as Pete, some even more. The most repeated thing I have heard was his sleeving process, which was already mentioned and makes me believe there is some truth to it. I never had any serious work done by Paul so who am I to jump on any band wagon... I like the guy so I am not out to slander his name. It sucks that it came to this.

[joesuperjet]

Awesome... that is the invisible super duper Dyno... I have heard about it and cleaned his shop and moved him.. I never saw it either... LIAR !
I'm the asshole.. LMFAO ! Thank you Kaveman..
There is a couple more of these stories that will be up tomorrow.
Until then..... buy something.. http://www.x-h2o.com/showthread.php?p=337575#post337575
Thank you ! :Banane35:

I, myself have alway wondered about these so called freestyle builders dynoes? Some may indeed have some but I herd Paul once say he had a 150 HP engine in it, and I wondered. He had said he had like 45 degrees advance or some huhe number like that and so he could not even rev it over 5000 rpm's. My question is how in the world does he make that much HP on an engine that will only do burst to 5000 RPM's? I don't know Paul very well but I have met him before. He seemed very nice, and easy to talk with and I hold no ill will against him but, I smell alot of BS in his HP # I had a cance to ride that old orange ski of his that was beautiful. I am not a freestyle guy so I wanted to feel the grunt you guys need. After he told me the HP, I wanted to see how it stood up to one of my race Lameys. After riding it I knew it wasn't even in the same playing feild. My bet is the HP# are way lower than what is told. IMO.... Never the less I still think Paul is a good guy from the few times we have met.

JAM

[Goose]

Pete my first post on this was not directed to you.I asked not to be involved in this.my second post was Directly twards you.cause after i asked you dug up some stuff.which like i said i couldnt post pics and kept adding to it so what goes around comes around.Now keep me out of this.

[PancakePete]

Pete my first post on this was not directed to you.I asked not to be involved in this.my second post was Directly twards you.cause after i asked you dug up some stuff.which like i said i couldnt post pics and kept adding to it so what goes around comes around.Now keep me out of this.

Crying to me and Alex and bitching about Paul and mark and Others...

have gone to bat for you.. never again..
Make up some more ********...
Bye Bye...

[SXIPro]

I don't think I've ever felt so lousy after reading something on the freakin' internet. I haven't felt like this since Junior High School when friends got in fights daily, cliques abounded and people said things for the sole intention of hurting someone else.

I've communicated with Pete a few times, and so has my son. Great guy. Never met us, but still invites us to come stay at his place and then attend one of his free clinics, even if it is just a one on one deal. We haven't made the journey yet to NJ, but would love to. He was always enthusiastic and wanting nothing more than to teach us noobs how to ride better and pull off some tricks. Reading the posts from Pete and seeing the pics of him riding on PWCToday was a key factor in me dumping my couch in favor of a standup.

I've also spoken with Paul a few times. My motor was ported by him before I bought the ski and all the aftermarket brap-inducing mods were purchased thru what was then Jr. Magoos, and in fact the previous owner was steered toward Paul by Pete and others on this board. I've called/emailed Paul with questions(never issues, as the ski runs flawlessly)and no matter how busy he is he will patiently walk me through something I don't understand, whether it was a stupid jetting question on my Kawi, or an octane/compression question on my SJ. His enthusiasm on engine building is at the same level as Pete's enthusiasm is on riding.

It's just weird now. I've never met either of these guys in person. But I feel like two of my friends are 'breaking up'.

Well, to both of you; You've made me want to be a better rider, and to try to continually get more brap out of my ski. You are both important to this hobby/sport and to this community. Can nothing be done to resolve this? :grouphug:

[skiprincess]

I don't think I've ever felt so lousy after reading something on the freakin' internet. I haven't felt like this since Junior High School when friends got in fights daily, cliques abounded and people said things for the sole intention of hurting someone else.


I feel the same way...

[eel]

very sad, but the issue can be traced to lack of tracking.

It's not hard to code stamp the cylinders so the customer, and the engine builder knows what each other are talking about.

eg: 6mm/FS/ym05MK3, etc.............

I have been thoroughly fooked over resleeving these cylinders and had to cop the cost personally due to the nfi factor between what is on my bench and what the supplier assumed I had.

These cylinders are awesome, but there is no way to figure out what the ****** you are dealing with.

It's worse than dealing with rotax racing, and that's saying something!

[WFO Speedracer]

[QUOTE=Adam;337480]Im a bit taller and gave more of a tan :wavey:

Thanks I should be able to tell you two apart now ,also I could just look for the guy with his hood off,a frown on his face, grumbling and throwing tools.

[waxhead]

I have had dealings that have not left me feeling the best
I do not wish to go into details but some things told to me were not as they seemed

I choose to not make to much noise about it but rather to not post on here as much as i used to.

Paul and i sent some not so friendly emails to each other and left it at that

[Mark44]

So there is no Dyno in the LPW shop?

Mark44

[the only couch rider]

[quote=Adam;337480]Im a bit taller and gave more of a tan :wavey:

Thanks I should be able to tell you two apart now ,also I could just look for the guy with his hood off,a frown on his face, grumbling and throwing tools.

now you've got him confused with Jesse

[Jr.]

Sorry Pete, I won’t enter into your little mud slinging Escapade,
But I would like to present a statement…………….


I have been in the watercraft business since aprox 1985, along the way I have worked on or with just about every type of watercraft imaginable.
As well as all types of shops & builders.
Early on I purchased cyls for clients from some of the best in the business, I learned from what they were doing, as I didn’t feel what I personally had to offer was up to par.
I have never copied anyone’s work! I learned from the best, and tried to make what I felt was changes, to better suit what our sport has evolved into.
In doing so, I developed a name for myself, & became respected by my piers.

The past several months I have had a problem with the sleeving of my BB cylinders.
The most notable was Alex Ripin in NJ. I have been working very hard with Alex to resolve the problem……… communication is open & moving forward.

To all the others who you are stating here as failures? I offer any one of them to contact me directly, as to plot a course to an amibicable resolution. So far none of who I have contacted directly has an issue with me??

Any business has good days & bad days; god knows I have had my share of both.
I have always conducted myself with the utmost integrity, weather the sun was shining or the world was coming to an end………… That is something that will never change!

Ski ya, Paul

[PancakePete]

Sorry Pete, I won’t enter into your little mud slinging Escapade,
But I would like to present a statement…………….


I have been in the watercraft business since aprox 1985, along the way I have worked on or with just about every type of watercraft imaginable.
As well as all types of shops & builders.
Early on I purchased cyls for clients from some of the best in the business, I learned from what they were doing, as I didn’t feel what I personally had to offer was up to par.
I have never copied anyone’s work! I learned from the best, and tried to make what I felt was changes, to better suit what our sport has evolved into.
In doing so, I developed a name for myself, & became respected by my piers.

The past several months I have had a problem with the sleeving of my BB cylinders.
The most notable was Alex Ripin in NJ. I have been working very hard with Alex to resolve the problem……… communication is open & moving forward.

To all the others who you are stating here as failures? I offer any one of them to contact me directly, as to plot a course to an amibicable resolution. So far none of who I have contacted directly has an issue with me??

Any business has good days & bad days; god knows I have had my share of both.
I have always conducted myself with the utmost integrity, weather the sun was shining or the world was coming to an end………… That is something that will never change!

Ski ya, Paul

Utmost Integrity ? Do you have a Dyno ?
You Lie threw your teeth at people... and I have gone to bat for you for years... Try and make yourself look high and mighty....
The TRUTH will previal.. good luck with those motors...
Glad to know how mush Bull******** you throw...
Sorry I had to come out like this.. I just cant take the fact of how many people have goten dicked.... You R&D with others Stuff and then People sit on beach instead of ride.. Great for the sport... Sorry to be evil Paul.. I have seen enough !

[Kingtut]

Pete, Do you have golf clubs yet? PM me I have lots and lots. I used to play EVERYDAY weather permitting. With your ADHD you really won't enjoy the game over time. The more you play, the worse you feel your getting But if you wanna trade some of that junk Superjet stuff for some of my junk drivers, irons and putters please let me know. I actually had a $280 Titleist Scotty Cameron putter brake once, I know I shouldn't have hit it over the bolder, but when a company charges $280 for a putter it shouldn be indistructable and I shouldn’t have missed the putt. :smashfreakB:

IMO. You go around in life once, enjoy it!!! You are WAY overreacting on here. I know neither you nor Paul for that matter and im not intending this as a bash to you at all.

[PancakePete]

Pete, Do you have golf clubs yet? PM me I have lots and lots. I used to play EVERYDAY weather permitting. With your ADHD you really won't enjoy the game over time. The more you play, the worse you feel your getting But if you wanna trade some of that junk Superjet stuff for some of my junk drivers, irons and putters please let me know. I actually had a $280 Titleist Scotty Cameron putter brake once, I know I should have hit it over the bolder, but when a company charges $280 for a putter it should be indistructable and I shouldn’t have missed the putt. :smashfreakB:

IMO. You go around in life once, enjoy it!!! You are WAY overreacting on here. I know neither you nor Paul for that matter and im not intending this as a bash to you at all.

Werd... word. and Ya... As for the clubs... I will be in touch.
Thank you... I might need them even if I dont play golf... LOL jk.

[sjetrider]

I don't know Pete from Adam.I don't know Paul real well either,we did meet for breakfast earlier this year scouting for sites for the freeride.I owe no allegience to either.I do know what I have seen posted here however.Pete this is not the first time you have come on here ranting and raving and generally making everyones life miserable,its also not the first time your post have had to be moved and ,or cleaned up.Man up, call Paul and discuss any problems you have with him in person,he seems like a reasonable guy to me..



2 cents and worth every penny

I have no dog in this race, but how is this different then the bashing of WDK that you tend to support. Shouldnt you post the same there? Telling anyone with issues to just man up and call Jeff and not post here?
This is exactly what Pete was saying in his 1st post. Its good for one but not another WTF.

Disclamer:

This post in no way supports Pete's accusations nor LPW responses. It is nearly pointing out one of Pete's points here.

[morty gunty]

paul, you havent always conducted yourself with "utmost integrity".

you were in the room with chick when he came on here as #2 fan and posted the pics of the aftermath of one of stoyers tantrums. when chick manned up and admitted doing what he did, you had to maintain your "utmost integrity" facade and didnt man up.

AND

you also asked someonee to ask me to blast full throttle performance on the board. wow! is that really how you deal with competition?

dont try to push the high and mighty utmost integrity crap on anybody. its BS and people are finding out about it. pete may be a raging looney at times, but hes not a complete bull********ter like you.

when you have other people doing your dirty work, its easy to 'appear' that youre keeping your "utmost integrity". MILF did a great job in this thread!

now lets see some dyno pics!

good day.






Find me a builder who doesn't have motors blow up and I'll find you beach front property in AZ.
Paul was a sponsor of you for years. All along you said Paul is the best in the biz. Now you seem to be buddying up with Mark, and now Paul builds crap? What gives?! Whats next? Klotz makes crappy oil? Ecko makes sh#tty clothes? Slippery is the worst gear ever? Companies looking for riders to sponsor.... Beware!
I cant believe you would say such things about a long time sponsor. More importantly, a long time friend. Really disappointing.



hmmm, thats sounds a little like what your friend, jason, did to his friend steve. doesnt it? no, wait... it sounds A LOT LIKE IT!

[superramjet]

So there is no Dyno in the LPW shop?

Mark44


??????

[Mark44]

??????

?????? Dyno or no?

[PancakePete]

??????

No there is not....... swear on my life..
Unless he recently purchased one !
He has been giving that line and many others...
TOTAL BULL******** !

[Scorn800]

So there is no Dyno in the LPW shop?

Mark44

the dyno is the biggest :bsflag: ever

So Paul how many BB sleeved dropped?
Who has one of your BB motor that is still running?

[335]

you were in the room with chick when he came on here as #2 fan and posted the pics of the aftermath of one of stoyers tantrums. when chick manned up and admitted doing what he did, you had to maintain your "utmost integrity" facade and didnt man up.


:nono: Paul was not there when I started the #2 Fan account. He was present when the photos were taken.



Welcome back, stranger...:bananapowerslide:

[Mark44]

Hmmm I know someone whose motor was supposable on the dyne.


Mark44

[WFO Speedracer]

I have no dog in this race, but how is this different then the bashing of WDK that you tend to support. Shouldnt you post the same there? Telling anyone with issues to just man up and call Jeff and not post here?
This is exactly what Pete was saying in his 1st post. Its good for one but not another WTF.

Disclamer:

This post in no way supports Pete's accusations nor LPW responses. It is nearly pointing out one of Pete's points here.

I thought the waterdawg bashing was over? Is it not? did I miss something?why are you bringing this up in this thread? I believe Waterdawg has a thread up right now,you will notice I appear in that thread nowhere.Actually I wholeheartedly support bashing of anyone who takes a customers money and does not send them product and or services for the monies tenderedwithin a reasonable amount of time,be it Waterdawg,LPW,24/7 or anyone else,if you are guilty of said offenses you deserve to be bashed regardless of who you are,I hope that clears it up for you.:261:

[GilGoneRound]

I for one am apPAULED-lol

Paul has been a HUGE help to me personnally, and has helped me build one
hell of an engine and is about to help me with another one. I have nothing but good to say bout Paul and his family.

[njfl]

Seeing all of these people finally come out and tell the truth, I feel OK pointing out one thing that I have experienced with Paul.

I’m not sure if this fits into the category of integrity or ethics, but two years ago, I was at his shop in NJ and he showed me the carbon B chamber. He told me that the price was $2000.00. He told me that “people like me” needed one of these since I seemed to like to have the best parts on my ski.

Later on I became friends with crammit442 (Charles), the maker of the pipe. From talking with both Charles and Pete I learned that Paul knew that these did not function well (supposedly he ran them on his dyno as well as on a few skis). He was trying to sell me the prototype that he knew did not perform, for $2000.00.

Additionally, I see all of these young kids on the board saving every penny to send Paul their motors and I really want to say something, but have held back. All that I can say is, beware, shop around, and ride some of each builders’ motors before sending your hard-earned cash (and that goes for any builder, not just LPW). Also, if the builders do not take a credit card, keep in mind that you have minimal recourse when problems occur.

[PancakePete]

Seeing all of these people finally come out and tell the truth, I feel OK pointing out one thing that I have experienced with Paul.

I’m not sure if this fits into the category of integrity or ethics, but two years ago, I was at his shop in NJ and he showed me the carbon B chamber. He told me that the price was $2000.00. He told me that “people like me” needed one of these since I seemed to like to have the best parts on my ski.

Later on I became friends with crammit442 (Charles), the maker of the pipe. From talking with both Charles and Pete I learned that Paul knew that these did not function well (supposedly he ran them on his dyno as well as on a few skis). He was trying to sell me the prototype that he knew did not perform, for $2000.00.

Additionally, I see all of these young kids on the board saving every penny to send Paul their motors and I really want to say something, but have held back. All that I can say is, beware, shop around, and ride some of each builders’ motors before sending your hard-earned cash (and that goes for any builder, not just LPW). Also, if the builders do not take a credit card, keep in mind that you have minimal recourse when problems occur.

I was the Human Dyno on that... and Logged my hours with the pipe so Paul could do a Test report for the pipe... I felt that there was not a motor gain nor a substantial loss... I pancaked some serious stuff, and that pipe did not chip crack or dent.. Nice work.....

[morty gunty]

:nono: Paul was not there when I started the #2 Fan account. He was present when the photos were taken.


....but he was happily aware of your intentions..... not that i wouldnt be...

.... but then, i dont claim to always conduct myself with "utmost integrity"..... in case you didnt notice.

:haha:

[PancakePete]

I have been getting Pms out the waazzu !
Bunch more great dealings will be posted by this evening.

[SXIPro]

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

[D Slicker]

I am sad at this thread, I wanted to stay out of this but here it goes. I had a 61x cylinder ported by Paul and it rocks. I sent a set of cylinders and cases down to Paul to have a big bore done earlier this year. They were about to go out to me when a good friend of mine (Alex) had three sets of cylinders drop out on his (he has a real gripe and is aloud too). After it happened Paul told me he holding all big bores till he straightens out the issues he is having with his equipment. I would rather have him hold them then him send it to me and fail. I will admit that I am a little concerned at this point and have said some things about it to my friends but am glad that he wants to send me a quality product and will give him an opportunity to do so with a deadline of October 1-8 since I will need another motor for my conversion for daytona. I am not going to jump on the bashing band wagon because there are other companies on here that I have had issues with and have worked to rectify the situation just like he is with me. Please don’t bash me for this post I will take it personally and am just stating my experience. That said I feel bad that people have had a bad experience with him or any company for that matter.

[Waste Land]

On Paul's behalf,

I can say this this or that about big motors or anything as I dont own one. I do own a cylinder ported by Paul. I also added NIB dual 44's at the same time. I had tons of problems......I just couldnt get the proper carb tuning going on.

National came around. I picked Paul up at 7am........He pulled my carbs on and off 3 times and got my ski dialed in......then once again when I got water in my gas tank:banghead:

Paul has been around since the day I got my SJ and has always hung in there to help me along.

On my end...Nothing but a great guy that has done way too much for me already

[Kingtut]

I am sad at this thread, I wanted to stay out of this but here it goes. I had a 61x cylinder ported by Paul and it rocks. I sent a set of cylinders and cases down to Paul to have a big bore done earlier this year. They were about to go out to me when a good friend of mine (Alex) had three sets of cylinders drop out on his (he has a real gripe and is aloud too). After it happened Paul told me he holding all big bores till he straightens out the issues he is having with his equipment. I would rather have him hold them then him send it to me and fail. I will admit that I am a little concerned at this point and have said some things about it to my friends but am glad that he wants to send me a quality product and will give him an opportunity to do so with a deadline of October 1-8 since I will need another motor for my conversion for daytona. I am not going to jump on the bashing band wagon because there are other companies on here that I have had issues with and have worked to rectify the situation just like he is with me. Please don’t bash me for this post I will take it personally and am just stating my experience. That said I feel bad that people have had a bad experience with him or any company for that matter.


There should be no reason for anyone to bash you. It is your experience.

[D Slicker]

There should be no reason for anyone to bash you. It is your experience.

Thanks but you never know with this crowd.

[onesojourner]

Loud Noises!

[Mark44]

Wow this could be larger than the waterdog thread?


:popcorn:

Mark44

[Kingtut]

At least with the waterdawg thread he came on here and awnsered the questions and didn't play the "I don't get invovled in this"

:popworm: Not good!!! Where's the :heart:

[Superjet 9195]

How about we all just unplug our computers for like a week and go try to get back to what this site was started for. Riding.
Peace.

Oh and Pete, dont sell your ski, Golf is sooooooooooooooo boring.

[CarFanatic]

:bigeyes: Man.. I Was looking to by a BB setup from paul this winter... now I dunno what to do :crying:

[RonnyMac]

hmmm, thats sounds a little like what your friend, jason, did to his friend steve.
doesnt it? no, wait... it sounds A LOT LIKE IT!
Stoyer made a thread stating his his reason for leaving WCF, with his own experience's, and 2 replies defending his own post.
http://www.pwctoday.com/showthread.php?t=58923&highlight=stoyer

Pete is obviously on a mission to try and ruin Pauls way of life and reputation. The difference in clear. We are supposed to believe that Pete is doing this for the common good of everyone. I'm I the only one who can see thats BS?
There is something else here. A disgruntled rider with a personal vendetta maybe? My prediction... Look for full throttle on Petes next boat.
Paul will be fine. Most people will see this as nothing more than "a woman scorned" syndrome.

[crammit442]

I have always had my suspicions about the whole dyno issue as have a lot of other people. There was a certain new LPW 6mm stroker at Alatoona that had some very large claimed dyno numbers. Talking with this person after he received his motor, he said he was positive that no fuel had ever been run through his motor. Also, anyone ever wonder about the break in time on all these NEW customer motors? Are they simply assembled and run hard on the dyno the first time ever cranked? I also always kind of thought there was something a little slimy. I could never quite put my finger on anything concrete until last year. I became party to a VERY malicious, slanderous email Paul sent about another business that regularly frequents X-H2O. I have the emails and can produce them if needed. The things said were untrue. What's worse was that at the same time Paul was privately expressing interest in doing business with the very company he was slandering. That and the attempt Paul made to associate the Joe Kenney name with the motor he built for Taylor last year. Paul would have happily continued to allow people to think that Joe said it was the best motor he had ever ridden. Only after Joe told Paul to remove the comment about him did he edit the post.:23:

[PancakePete]

Stoyer made a thread stating his his reason for leaving WCF, with his own experience's, and 2 replies defending his own post.
http://www.pwctoday.com/showthread.php?t=58923&highlight=stoyer

Pete is obviously on a mission to try and ruin Pauls way of life and reputation.