Nose Stabs

[mcdog]

Would someone please explain how to do this and what NOT to do?

I can get over the fear if I'm slightly informed.....Thanks

[MattSmith]

I assume you're doing stabs on flatwater. For just starting out, start an s turn and and midway through the s hammer the throttle, put your face over the gas cap and yank the bars as hard and fast as you can. Its full committment, any hesitation will limit your 180 and make you flat land.

on surf its a lot easier. This was a really small wave on a crappy day but its the only sequence i have of myself...

[MattSmith]

the rest

[five0addict]

few things ive learned in the surf.
a little turn before just to get the ski on edge helps to get the rotation.
COMMIT! you gotta go for it!
wave angle to speed is important. dont go too fast before giving the last brap.
steep waves take more power to make the 180.
jump,turn,tuck,land, THEN stand. if you stand before hitting the water the ski wont sub and land flat. last weekend i didnt realise my airtime and stood up too soon, didnt break the surface and i collaped onto the top of the handpole. if i didnt have a helmet i woulda been out cold FOR SURE! it still hurt bad..
amazing what you can ride out of if you just stay planted.
take your front foot and put it in the water behind the ski to get out of the tailstand that happens when landing.
keeping both feet in the straps is what ive been really trying to do.

[mcdog]

Thanks guys but I did mean flatwater. Do I have to do it off a wake? Does trying to do a barrel roll and only making it halfway count as a nose stab?

[ThinMint]

crank the bars with power off the wake you made or just flat throw yourslef forward and to which ever way your stabbing up to the bars and pull the feet with it
real quick motion but gets you at the center point of the ski and you can really whip the back end around

[cdubb]

superslugs avatar is a great in motion shot of a flat water stab.

[ThinMint]

haha thats the second time ive been recognized for the stab
that is the way i used to do it im not sure which is the right way...i just learned how to throw my body into the bars at my waist and pull real hard with my feet

that is off boat wake btw...the avatar

[ThinMint]

here is my avatar pic and one of mark coopers flat stab i like that form he has its a real nice stab
ive been doin my like that since ive seen it like he does it (pole at the gut while pulling hard with feet

[StrictlyStunt]

im starting to get these down i just cant get the motion down pat. I pritty sure it's my timing. seems like timing is everything

[Frosty]

Thanks guys but I did mean flatwater. Do I have to do it off a wake? Does trying to do a barrel roll and only making it halfway count as a nose stab?

no you don't have to do it off a wake...

most of my BR attempts come up short... and i only make it half way around... it really is not a nose stab as much as it turns out to be an inverted sub. still pretty damn cool though... entering the water nose first completely upside down.

[xeon]

frostys upsidedown subs/ 180 stabs are bad ass.. seeing in person is amazing. higher and more commitment then anything ive seen

[Frosty]

commitment is the key to any trick...

[yamanube]

crank the bars with power off the wake you made or just flat throw yourslef forward and to which ever way your stabbing up to the bars and pull the feet with it
real quick motion but gets you at the center point of the ski and you can really whip the back end around

Once you get this down work on pre-hopping to get more air/rotation. I found its easier to do them off of boat waves first then your setup wave because you can just cruise at a boat wake versus worrying about having to create one. As your coming at the wave give a little hop (slightly turned in the opposite direction) so you land right into the face of the wave (almost like you are slamming into the wave) as soon as you touch down slam the steering to full lock and grab a handfull of throttle (WFO) lean forward and over and pull your feet up, as you enter the water give it another quick brap to send it home.

Here are a couple pics of me learning, I have the motion I need to go a little faster, tuck a lot more and commit!
First one is off flat water, second off a boat wake and last is a little roller.

[thegoldenboy]

i like that form he has its a real nice stab
ive been doin my like that since ive seen it like he does it (pole at the gut while pulling hard with feet

Adds a little swagger to the trick, arched back, head up looking back at crowd... Very nice.

[wavehog]

Start small,try for 3/4 of the 180. (advanced a little) Flash told me about to use white water.You can push down on bars or try and get chin over bow on take off and pull feet to butt.

[ThinMint]

Adds a little swagger to the trick, arched back, head up looking back at crowd... Very nice.

yup looked real good in a comp and its crowd points

i got it down now i can pull it big or small off of anything
with time tricks will come

[Jawbreaker]

Inverted barrel rolls are called bronco's. Stoyer explains "how to" very well in his video for beginers. The more air he gets, the more it starts looking like huge nose stabs.

[Fearlessnuts]

commitment is key on this trick i learned many many times the hard way on my 550 ouch not good times...

[FJXP]

I can do the jump,turn, but can't seem bring the noise down and stab, i've got a few 180 out of them but can't seems to get my head over the gas ??!!?...i tried a hammer throtle and lost the ski completley ( won't be doing that again ) ...i'm installing footholds during winter and hopefully it helps bringing the back up

[yamanube]

Footholds will help you get the lift required, it feels wierd but you kind of have to go at it like a sub and get up and over the bars, and lock your steering.

[FJXP]

i'll give it a shot tommorow after work

[Goose]

if your on flatwater and its deep enough.when you enter the water inverted crack the throttle and shoot a roost.that looks sick

[sxi4evr]

prolly not right but its my first year ridin jet skis

[ski clinic kid 2007]

Nosestabs are nothing to be afraid of. I'm a 14 year old kid, and I do them ALL the time. For a nosestab, you just do a 180, and in the process, lift up with your feet and push down on the nose (just like a sub), and it's sorta like a 180 sub. That's an easy, beginner way. The other one, (which pretty much IS a nosestab) is where you go for a barrel roll, but only go half way, with your nose pointed down, so it goes under.

[ThinMint]

prolly not right but its my first year ridin jet skis

your getting there man
just keep at it
we were all learning tricks at one time
ha i still am

[fxI]

YouTube - nose stab

[FJXP]

Ok someone help me ....i tried a few times on my first ride of the seasson and first time with footholds...when i get a jump off a wave i find my self pulling and haveing the front of the ski come up !! ... do i need to get real air in order to do a stab? also i'm finding the footholds real hard to use...maybe i'll get better in a few times

[FreestyleFreak]

i always pre-hop to the right and stab to the left.

[Superjetjim]

if your on flatwater and its deep enough.when you enter the water inverted crack the throttle and shoot a roost.that looks sick

Goose - very true - its my signature trick! Couple of me on this video at 2.03 onwards on Yellow/Orange/White ski at a recent show we did.

http://www.pierats.co.uk/preston_riversway_festival.htm

Messes up your sinus though after a while - the nose makes a perfect 'Top Loader' when you go in upside down! :bananalama:

Cheers

Jim

[Ericfox]

Nice show Jim. What do you have in your ski mod wise? Aftermarket hull?

Rolls and other tricks were very clean. My rolls are a little more like the guy with the blue ski... here's my video with some riding... there is a bronco 180 (nose stab with no wake) at the beginning and then some good stabs in there as well... its the only video I have at this time... so sorry if some of you have already seen it, but it applied to this thread I guess... also a little fuzzy since it was recorded with a helmet cam...

Some of my rolls where almost there... I think I made one all the way around plate to plate at the end... it was pretty close anyways...

YouTube - Eric Fox Freestyle Superjet Jetski Flatwater

[Superjetjim]

Cheers, there's 2 x skis with very similar paint jobs in the show - mines the one with the RRP pole doing the inverted stabs and surface stuff from 2.03 onwards - I've not learned to roll yet, guess I just need to sack up and go for it! - could I turn the inverted stab into a role? - the 1st one looks like it could?

My ski has the following:

Stock Hull
24/7 SR71 Hood
RRP Pole
Wamiltons Trim

847cc 6mm Lamey Flat Top Stroker (NPV)
48mm Full Specs
ATP Total Loss Ignition
B Pipe
+ all the usual stuff

The guy doing the rolls is Dan Ashcroft (www.danashcroft.com) riding a Lenzi hull with an 8mm & Gary Gregg (www.pierats.co.uk) - these boys are way more capable than me!

Cheers,

Jim

[Ericfox]

throw a helmet on and go for it!!!

nice setup BTW!

Hope to have a stroker and trim on my ski before next season.... right now I am using a stock motor with some bolt-ons...

[Wickedwayz]

Right after you turn ur crank your bars and are wide open LIFT W/ YOUR LEGS this was holding me back this will allow you to do a nose stab and not a tail throw or whatever.

[Kennay]

Yep. Surf stabs are soooo easy. The biggest part is getting past that little fear thing and just fully committing. Once you do one, even if you pancake it on the side, you will feel 110% better. The one after that you will nail... just remember... FULLY COMMIT!!!

[tmetz]

I will definatley need some footholds once I start nose stabbing and stuff like that!
They are on there way!

But I have a question, should I reinforce before I start experimenting with tricks like this? Or just wait till it cracks? :icon16:

PS: I am riding a 2002 Superjet...

[uncleuno]

I tried stabs this weekend also should I be wearing a helmet? Should my shoulders being doing that much work cause their sore as hell this morning. Does this mean I'm trying too hard with my upper body? Do I need to pivot more with my lower body? I keep trying I seem to be getting a little closer.

[haterade]

I will definatley need some footholds once I start nose stabbing and stuff like that!
They are on there way!

But I have a question, should I reinforce before I start experimenting with tricks like this? Or just wait till it cracks? :icon16:

PS: I am riding a 2002 Superjet...


Don't worry about reinforcing yet. It's overrated and for flatwater it's a pretty low priorty until you consistantly start trying rolls.

[Motoman25]

Don't worry about reinforcing yet. It's overrated and for flatwater it's a pretty low priorty until you consistantly start trying rolls.


yeah but if you ride surf id reccomend it.

i only rode the ocean maybe 5 times before i put my ski away for the winter last year... i had a small crack forming in the side i stab towards from only making it halfway when learning and pancaking a couple of em.

i reinforced as soon as i noticed the crack start to form. now i feel like me ski is pretty indestructible... ive ditched it from pretty high up a few times this year and nothing bad has happened.

[ShowtimeStocks]

Cheers, there's 2 x skis with very similar paint jobs in the show - mines the one with the RRP pole doing the inverted stabs and surface stuff from 2.03 onwards - I've not learned to roll yet, guess I just need to sack up and go for it! - could I turn the inverted stab into a role? - the 1st one looks like it could?

My ski has the following:

Stock Hull
24/7 SR71 Hood
RRP Pole
Wamiltons Trim

847cc 6mm Lamey Flat Top Stroker (NPV)
48mm Full Specs
ATP Total Loss Ignition
B Pipe
+ all the usual stuff

The guy doing the rolls is Dan Ashcroft (www.danashcroft.com (http://www.danashcroft.com)) riding a Lenzi hull with an 8mm & Gary Gregg (www.pierats.co.uk (http://www.pierats.co.uk)) - these boys are way more capable than me!

Cheers,

Jim

james you are going to be doing rolls this weekend il make you lol :burnout:

[uncleuno]

Since I ride in oklahoma and we have no waves except from wake board boats . I'm going to have a buddy set me some wakes any suggestions on hitting them for stabs or should i just stay with trying it off my own wake? He can phat sack his boat and set me some 5ft rollers or is this too grande.

[five0addict]

5 ft... apart?
lol
seriously, hit what you get! bigger the better!!

[uncleuno]

5 FT high one constent wake

[haterade]

5 FT high one constent wake


:bsflag:

Start with your own set-up. Once you get that somewhat down start with boat wakes. Pre-hop to the right over the first wake and launch from the second one.

[Ericfox]

you can do a "stab" without any wake... bronco 180.

make sure you have a good hoodseal, and great drainage.... I did a stab on another guys ski and punched it when I went under (gotta love the spray!).... then I brought it back into shore (forgetting he didnt have a scupper).... popped the hood and the engine was 1/2 under water.... that was just from one stab... I definately recommend a scupper!!!! or oneway for QUICK drainage

[uncleuno]

My ski has dual 1000 gph pumps and hood straps . Im just wondering is it better to have more air or is there more room for error? Last weekend I worked on stabs for a few hours but the tops of my feet started to hurt . I raw dog it no shoes this week Im wearing shoes though. Also should I be using more of my upper body to pivot with or lean over the bars and bring my lower body around?

[chrisdoc0608]

:friday: I just landed my first flat water stabs today!!! im pretty excited considering i never really tried them regularly until recently. The most helpful thing imo is treating it like a sub and committing while lifting your feet

[Superjetjim]

:friday: I just landed my first flat water stabs today!!! im pretty excited considering i never really tried them regularly until recently. The most helpful thing imo is treating it like a sub and committing while lifting your feet

Nice one Chris! - No better feeling than landing a new trick!

Did you get any pictures or video?

Cheers

Jim

[chrisdoc0608]

lol i actually had planned to get my uncle to take pics with his new Nikon but since i had not tuned my ski properly i seriously doubted i would be riding.... my ski got tuned sooner than i expected though! Ill be practicing all week so i can pull them at wavedaze hopefully. Its funny how beat you get after trying them over and over for a while, im sore as shiot

[Wickedwayz]

Start leaning forward on your start get in the habbit of moving ur body, becuase when it comes b-roll time you have to slam the pole down lean on and to the left of the pole. Also when doing hockey slides pratice leaning to counter your ski out of a stall... well if you dont have side exhuast.