Jeff Curry

[Bonzia Bob]

I did not title this Waterdawg Customz because my gripe is with Jeff himself. I have been putting off doing this because I just don't like burning one of the few companies we have making stand up parts. I just feel that just because you are the only one making certain parts that you can get away with whatever you want. Now Jeff did sell us our pipe at a discounted price but he hit us full pop on the heads. This is how our experience with Jeff went.


First call - ordering intakes

Went smoothly enough, straight forward order. He talked us out of the spacer plate because we are going to run V-Force 3 reeds. Package arrived in about a week. Only complaint, he sent hardware for one with a spacer plate. No biggy, we know where to buy bolts.

Second Call - Exhaust discussion

When we first started this build we were going to go with our own custom built twin pipe setup. We called to get some advice and a few pointers. Jeff assured us that he had tried every twin pipe setup from snowmobile pipes to his own custom carbon fiber pipes, none of which worked. Undeterred we went on to build our own.

Third Call - Pipe Order

About two months into the build we realized what a huge project we had taken on. After a full evening of discussion we decided we would go with Jeff's pipe. Called him on the phone and asked if it would fit in an FX-1, he said no problem. Asked if he had one in stock, he said hell yeah I do. Ok, we will take it, use the same amex card from our intake order. He said it would go out the next day. Three weeks pass.........................nothing.

Fourth Call - Check on pipe and order heads

We were told the pipe was at the power coater getting finished up. Well I thought you said you had one in stock, yeah but it was unfinished, it should be back this week and I will get it out to you. We asked about the big bore heads, he said he had them but was waiting for the girdle kits to come in. Cool, we will take a set. Can you cut them for our 90mm bore, yes I can, ok lets go with that and just ship it all together. Two weeks.....................nothing.

Fifth Call - Just Send The Pipe Man

Told Jeff, don't let the heads hold it back just send the pipe, its back from the powder coater right? Jeff tells us that he decided to build us a custom oval shaped pipe so it would fit better in the fx, we say cool when will it be done, next week and I will get it out to you. We told him to ship it UPS three day select so we could get it quick, he said no problem. Another week passes.....................nothing.

Now up to this point Mark (yamahammer) had been doing all the phone work. He's just more political and nicer than I. But after I had already paid my Amex bill for the $900 he charged two months prior I had enough.

Sixth through Twelfth Calls - Me trying to get a hold of Jeff

After several calls I finally get a call back from Jeff. He says the heads are done, the pipe is done, and he was taking it to his shipper that day. Told him to ship it three day select. Four days pass................................nothing.

Number of Calls - Unknown

I finally get in touch with Jeff again and he gives me this great spill on how he has been using this family shipping business, and they had dropped the ball. He told me he was in his car going to pick up my package and taking it to UPS that day. I told him I wanted a tracking number that day!!! I receive a tracking number so I'm like awesome, now we are getting somewhere. Three more days pass and there is no activity on the tracking number. I call, I email, I pm. Finally he answers his phone. He says he's got the pipe and heads in a box right in front of him. I tell him to ship it overnight, he say no problem.............but, I did not cut your domes for you. WTF am I supposed to do with blank domes? He tells me just take them to a machine shop and they can cut them no problem, blows a ton of smoke up my ass about how he figured as good as we are at building ski's this should be a simple task for us to do. Like a complete idiot I say ok. He calls me back later that afternoon with another tracking number, this one works. The next day I get my Waterdawg package. Exhaust manifold is unfinished, none of the casting holes had been filled, no fittings, the pipe was tacked together (which worked out because we had to do a slight modification) But remember this was supposed to be an oval shaped custom pipe powder coated and ready to go. The heads were there, uncut domes and all, but no girdle kit, no o-rings...................nothing. I blow up, Jeff answers the phone and I call him everything but a white man. I'm mega-pissed at this point. He then tells me that the $900 was for the heads and the pipe so I calm down a little. Then more smoke up the ass about how we can finish the pipe to our specs now blah blah blah. We go everywhere to try and get the domes cut, nobody wants to touch them. I called him back and asked if he would cut a set, told him the specs on the pistons and he said no problem I will do it this weekend and overnight them on Monday. Monday comes and goes with no word. I call him on Tuesday, he says that his machinist was covered up on Monday and could not get them done but he was finishing them up and they would go out overnight on his dime that day. I once again request a tracking number because by now I had zero faith in him. That was the last time I talked to him. I have called him well over 20 times and left voice mails. I have PMed him on the board with no reply.

I really don't want to start an argument with anyone else on this so if you like him, great. I will ask you to keep your comments off of this post please. I just want everyone to know our experience and why we are so pissed off.

[yamahammer]

Very innovative smart designer/thinker + unprofessional complete fncking liar = Jeff Curry .........................damn shame. That is the respectful factual TRUTH.

[bluegtate]

I ordered some parts from him, and he over charged my credit card. Atleast you got him to pick up his phone. Waiting for call back. Talked to Jeff all is good and parts are one the way, and card is fixed. Give him time he will make it right.

[Starvin48]

...yep.

[WAB]

After reading that, nobody could blame you for being pissed.

[aof13]

I swear i've never heard of Jeff doing this in the past....:bs2: :bs2:

[parrdaddy]

Good or bad, that was about the most organized feedback post I have ever seen :woot: I knew I liked you crazy @$$ TEXANS. I don't see how anyone can argue on Jeff's side for this deal, you explained everything from start to finish. I'm just not sure what happened to the guy, he seemed to start the year off right for once.......didn't take him long to revert back to his old ways I guess..........and on that note, I am out of this discussion :smile:

[sjetrider]

$900 for a complete PIPE and head and all? I gotta call Jeff.

[Bonzia Bob]

$900 for a complete PIPE and head and all? I gotta call Jeff.

You better get you work gloves on at that price, and have a mig for both steel and aluminum.

[DR3]

:sad2: sorry to hear...

[DAG]

so in short, he makes great stuff and grat prices, you guys gotta pick up the stuff personally... or i wonder if you called UPS and payed them to go to his shop and do the transaction for him.

Someone that lives near this guy need do be the 3ed party buyer/shipper.

[onesojourner]

I wish he would just sell his stuff through legdrag. the only reason I ordered his foot holds was because he said they were in stock. I now see that could have been a lie but it worked out in my case. he makes good stuff but he can not sell it right, he needs to pass it on to some one that can sell it and just build the stuff. I know you can't do that with custom stuff but the rest of his stuff should be fine. narrow the product line or something. he has a lot of potential its a shame he keeps screwing the junk up.

[justride]

For all the problems people have with this guy, I don't know way anyone would do anything with him,
Your the joke for buying from this bone head, I hate when people tell one thing to get your money and then don't get it out on time.

[vomitspot]

that sux! i was really hoping that he had it togather this time!

[butti]

very dissapointing to read :disappointed: come on jeff ...tighten up man!

[2nd nature]

For all the problems people have with this guy, I don't know way anyone would do anything with him,
Your the joke for buying from this bone head, I hate when people tell one thing to get your money and then don't get it out on time.

well said.

[crammit442]

How quickly everyone forgets the past........:rolleyes: Several of us have been discussing that it was only gonna be a matter of time. The guy that builds my jump skis(water ski) is also very slow and unreliable. The big difference with him is that he makes the very best skis in the world.(and I get mine for free every year.:biggrin: )

Charles

[sjaholic]

so charles, tell me what ski boat do they use to drag a 315 lb guy to the ramp?

[butti]

Good or bad, that was about the most organized feedback post I have ever seen :woot: I knew I liked you crazy @$$ TEXANS. I don't see how anyone can argue on Jeff's side for this deal, you explained everything from start to finish. I'm just not sure what happened to the guy, he seemed to start the year off right for once.......didn't take him long to revert back to his old ways I guess..........and on that note, I am out of this discussion :smile:


i spoke to jeff last week and there are several key details that were left out of this novel.im not saying that jeff is totaly right and these guys are wrong,but that post does not contain the complete story.hopefully jeff will post when these issues are resolved

[Bonzia Bob]

See next post.

[Bonzia Bob]

And one more thing then I'm out until Jeff contacts me to resolve this issue............................................. ............




I really don't want to start an argument with anyone else on this so if you like him, great. I will ask you to keep your comments off of this post please. I just want everyone to know our experience and why we are so pissed off.

[Bonzia Bob]

Ok, Brian (fx-6.9) called Jeff on Thursday (05/17/2007) and they had a long discussion. Jeff told him that he called his machinist and that he was going to cut new domes for us on Sunday and they would go out Monday on UPS next day air. He also told Brian to call him on Monday and he would answer the phone and confirm the shipping................................no answer.................................no return calls....................................no package from UPS....................................nothing.


At this point the only thing I want out of Jeff is my money back. I am tired of being lied to. If he would have just told us he couldn't pull it off it would have been no big deal. If you have had a good experience with Jeff then I am happy for you, didn't work out for me so much. As for the whole story being told in this thread, I lived the story and have no reason to lie about it. If Jeff wants to come on here and defend himself that is fine. Or, he could return our phone calls! Anything. We are not the only ones getting this kind of treatment so I shouldn't be surprised.

[Gainera2582]

Just an fyi, He has been browsing on this board lately. I don't know why he is not responding to his customers!!!!!!!

[Bonzia Bob]

Just an fyi, He has been browsing on this board lately. I don't know why he is not responding to his customers!!!!!!!

Thats a very good question.

[yamahammer]

i spoke to jeff last week and there are several key details that were left out of this novel.im not saying that jeff is totaly right and these guys are wrong,but that post does not contain the complete story.hopefully jeff will post when these issues are resolved

"Details"? I would like to hear them please.

[Matt_E]

"Details"? I would like to hear them please.

Every time there is a controversy like this about Jeff, we hear through 3rd parties that there is more to the story that somehow makes this easier to justify/comprehend (See Sharky's hood and Mile's hull, for example).

[The Penguin]

ummmm Matt...

yamahammer is neck deep into this project with Bonzai Bob and FX6.9 in case you didn't know that. :wink:

[Matt_E]

I know that ;) I was referring to Butti's comment that there's more to the story. As was Yamahammer.

[Bonzia Bob]

So we don't leave any of the story out :biggrin: Brian talked to Jeff again today. His guy did not work on Sunday but they were cutting them today. He said we will have them on Thursday..............................we will see:skull2: I do not want anyone to think that all of this was a rash decision out of anger to make this thread. We have been going through this BS since we started this fx build. I just don't want anyone else to have to go through this sh!t. I really wish that he would get his sh!t together because he makes some nice stuff................but, he needs to finish the job.

[yamahammer]

hopefully friday the bs will be done- i promise all we want to do is ride this boat we've been working on for a long time- this internet whining is the only way we could get any response out of jeff- jeff seems like he has good intentions just poor execution.


oh and penguin- Do you no anything about pesticides?:skull2: :biggrin: :skull2:

[The Penguin]

sure - what do you need to kill?

[Bonzia Bob]

sure - what do you need to kill?

Dogs, UPS guy, mailman, lawn boy.
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:


Seriously, Brian bought some of that..............whatever its called for the mosquito problem. Its 10%, how should I mix it. We were laughing so hard at Yamahammer at the beach I don't remember.

[The Penguin]

8 oz lemon dish soap
8 oz lemon ammonia
3 oz 10% Permethrin

put all that in a hose-end sprayer, this one works well: http://www.ortho.com/index.cfm/event/ProductGuide.product/documentId/f579a6c8279538f677dc1b9e16bf9c06

set the dial to apply at 3oz per gallon rate and spray the whole yard, shrubs and all.

The permethrin kills, the soap lowers surface tension on any standing water so they can't lay eggs and the lemon scent drives them away as well.

a respirator is not a bad idea when applying - and definately work with your back to the wind at all times.

[skinnyman]

oh and penguin- Do you no anything about pesticides?:skull2: :biggrin: :skull2:[/QUOTE]


:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

[Bonzia Bob]

8 oz lemon dish soap
8 oz lemon ammonia
3 oz 10% Permethrin

put all that in a hose-end sprayer, this one works well: http://www.ortho.com/index.cfm/event/ProductGuide.product/documentId/f579a6c8279538f677dc1b9e16bf9c06

set the dial to apply at 3oz per gallon rate and spray the whole yard, shrubs and all.

The permethrin kills, the soap lowers surface tension on any standing water so they can't lay eggs and the lemon scent drives them away as well.

a respirator is not a bad idea when applying - and definately work with your back to the wind at all times.



Thanks!

[michael950]

8 oz lemon dish soap
8 oz lemon ammonia
3 oz 10% Permethrin

put all that in a hose-end sprayer, this one works well: http://www.ortho.com/index.cfm/event/ProductGuide.product/documentId/f579a6c8279538f677dc1b9e16bf9c06

set the dial to apply at 3oz per gallon rate and spray the whole yard, shrubs and all.

The permethrin kills, the soap lowers surface tension on any standing water so they can't lay eggs and the lemon scent drives them away as well.

a respirator is not a bad idea when applying - and definately work with your back to the wind at all times.

Is that for mealy bugs? Definitely an insect.
The dish soap is a surfactant

[sjetrider]

:haha:

[The Penguin]

sorry - that is for mosquitos specifically, but the permethrin kills lots of stuff, so your list of collateral damage will include whatever the permethrin bottle says it kills. I seem to remember it controls fleas and ticks as well.

it's bad stuff. when I sprayed the yard, any flying bugs hit with it died in mid-air.

Keep pets and kids off the grass till it dries.

one application is good for 3 - 6 months (in my experience) depending on how much rainfall it gets.

[michael950]

Similar formula for mealy bugs, but I think it calls for neem oil.

[wydopen]

Similar formula for mealy bugs, but I think it calls for neem oil.

works great for all kind of plants:sneaky: ..just mix w/ soap or a wetting agent...:439:

[Waterdawg Kustomz]

I don’t even know where to start with this, but I will keep it short and simple. First, the project that these guy’s are doing is a CUSTOM project. I STOCK NOTHING THAT WILL BOLT A GP800 MOTOR INTO A FX-1. With that said, you cannot expect me to send you a complete exhaust system that will bolt into your hull, and secondly, you cannot expect me to build you domes to accommodate a piston that I have never seen. No other shop will touch this project, PERIOD!!! I made the mistake of trying to help but that time is over. I knew better. You said to me that nobody will touch your domes. Why is that? It is not because they are my domes, it is because they don’t want the responsibility of the aftermath that occurs. It is a NO WIN situation for the shop. When you decide to do a project of this magnitude, you must understand that you are pretty much on your own. I do it on a daily basis with the composite and machining side of my business. You expect me to be at your beckon call with this and I am done. I wanted to help, not because of the money, a mere $200 profit on my end, but just to help. But, when you start demanding and leaving ridiculous messages with massive profanity, you crossed the line. I don’t need the headache.
This post is a he said/she said style that could go on and on. I don’t have the time nor the patience for this game. Bottom line is this, you feel as though you were cheated and are not happy with anything. I feel that your entire project is a waste of my time. I have no cad file or drawing of the piston, so no domes will be delivered to you. At this point I want to do no future business with you or be a part of this fiasco any longer. I will put this is capital so you can easily understand this. YOU SAID THAT YOU WANTED A REFUND AND I WILL HONOR YOUR WISHES. SIMPLY SEND BACK THE PRODUCTS THAT YOU PURCHASED FROM ME FOR A FULL REFUND, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. I WILL ACCEPT THE PIPE THAT I CANNOT USE, THE HEAD SHELLS THAT YOU DRILLED OUT, THE DOMES THAT YOU DESTROYED TRYING TO CUT YOURSELF WHICH I CANNOT RESELL NOR WOULD TRY TO AND THE INTAKE MANIFOLDS. I WILL ACCEPT ONLY A C.O.D. DELIVERY FROM UPS TO ME TO INSURE THAT I RECEIVE ALL OF THE PRODUCTS BACK. PLEASE EMAIL THE TRACKING NUMBER SO I CAN HAVE PAYMENT READY.
I was going to get the domes to you, but with the constant BS posts that you are making I feel as though it is time to end this. I will respond to this topic no more, simply send back the parts and get your refund like you said you wanted. If you want to set something different up then please call me 541-231-6069 between 3pm-4pm pacific time, I will make sure to have the phone by my side.

Jeff Curry

[Bonzia Bob]

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Ok Jeff, you want to get your panties in a wad! Great, my have been that way for the last month trying to get a response out of you. We have offered to send you the pistons and you refused to take them. You offered to send us the cad program so we could take it to a machine shop locally, we do not have a machine shop with that capability. The reason I am pissed is you keep making promises and breaking them. If you were not going to cut the domes than just tell me to f@ck off. Thats the last message I left you, and thats exactly what I said "If you are not going to cut us a set of domes at least call me and tell me to f@ck off and I will leave you alone" Thats all you had to do. I have no complaints about the exhaust, I was only stating that I was not pre warned on the incomplete setup. No big deal on that, I finished it. I am glad however that you finally came out and tried to defend yourself though. This is the only way I can get anything out of you. As far as trying to make yourself sound like a hero here, give it up. The only thing I wanted to get a refund on was the heads, without the domes that you promised us six or seven times they are of no use to me. We cut the first set because YOU were telling us to, like it would be no big deal. Now YOU come out and tell me I f@cked them up, no sir, not gonna work. You have had my phone number this hole time, all you gotta do is call. Hell, you told Brian yesterday that they were cut and you had to drop the o-ring size for clearance! Is this true? Or just more BS. I'll tell you what, you refund my amex for what you feel is a fair price on a set of head shells that have the girdle bolts drill out to 10mm, and I'll ship them back to you. As far as the domes we "f@cked up" I need a good trot line weight anyway.

[Idok]

i have an innocent question...


what is the difference between the domes/headshells that Bob is using vs. the ones that go in the rev 12 motor???

[Big Kahuna]

or the motor that Tom (Superramjet) is running???? I dont understand this, what is different about this motor than the other 800 motors that has been set up?

[sjetrider]

:popcorn:

[Waterdawg Kustomz]

This is the post you made......."At this point the only thing I want out of Jeff is my money back. I am tired of being lied to. If he would have just told us he couldn't pull it off it would have been no big deal. If you have had a good experience with Jeff then I am happy for you, didn't work out for me so much. As for the whole story being told in this thread, I lived the story and have no reason to lie about it. If Jeff wants to come on here and defend himself that is fine. Or, he could return our phone calls! Anything. We are not the only ones getting this kind of treatment so I shouldn't be surprised.



You are getting refunded.....it is what you said you wanted. Oh, and no hero here. It would be a lot easier if you would let the guy who owns the ski do the deals(not three of you).....you blew it for him!!!! Just send the parts. I will send you the call slip for UPS and pay for the shipping.

Jeff

[yamahammer]

jeff when i called you intially and told you our intentions and what pistons we had you said you had "bad azz" new heads that we should use for our project and you would cut the domes for it with a "nice hit"- you also said you new the guy on greenhulk who got us the pistons and were familiar with them- i believed you and said i would take a set and YOU never delivered on what you said you would do with the heads- IF YOU COULD NOT BUILD THE RIGHT HEADS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PERFECTLY FINE IN THE FIRST PLACE ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS SAY YOU COULD NOT OR WOULD NOT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i guess this is the only way you can pay the rent- if i was you i would FIRE myself- im sorry i thought you might be cool like most of people ive met on here- i was mistaken my fault- honestly your pipe is very nice- well looks nice i cant say how it performs- the heads are paperweights- cool looking paperweights- well they will be cool looking paperweights once we grind off the waterdawg logo- good luck with your future lying.............i mean sales.

[Bonzia Bob]

Well I tried to call you Jeff...........................no answer. You did however answer when Brian called. Would you like to tell everyone how now you say the domes are ready and you refuse to sell them to us?

As for screwing things up for Brian, wrong answer. You seem to enjoy trying to make him feel bad telling him how I screwed this up. Since Brian and I have been friends for the better part of 15 years I don't really think he is going to side with you. Your shady business practices are what brought this to a head, I'm with Yamahammer, you should fire yourself.

[Waterdawg Kustomz]

Here goes that he said/she said again. Let me post again in case you didn't understand the first time, AND PAY ATTENTION TO THE CAPITAL LETTERS.

I don’t even know where to start with this, but I will keep it short and simple. First, the project that these guy’s are doing is a CUSTOM project. I STOCK NOTHING THAT WILL BOLT A GP800 MOTOR INTO A FX-1. With that said, you cannot expect me to send you a complete exhaust system that will bolt into your hull, and secondly, you cannot expect me to build you domes to accommodate a piston that I have never seen. No other shop will touch this project, PERIOD!!! I made the mistake of trying to help but that time is over. I knew better. You said to me that nobody will touch your domes. Why is that? It is not because they are my domes, it is because they don’t want the responsibility of the aftermath that occurs. It is a NO WIN situation for the shop. When you decide to do a project of this magnitude, you must understand that you are pretty much on your own. I do it on a daily basis with the composite and machining side of my business. You expect me to be at your beckon call with this and I am done. I wanted to help, not because of the money, a mere $200 profit on my end, but just to help. But, when you start demanding and leaving ridiculous messages with massive profanity, you crossed the line. I don’t need the headache.
This post is a he said/she said style that could go on and on. I don’t have the time nor the patience for this game. Bottom line is this, you feel as though you were cheated and are not happy with anything. I feel that your entire project is a waste of my time. I have no cad file or drawing of the piston, so no domes will be delivered to you. At this point I want to do no future business with you or be a part of this fiasco any longer. I will put this is capital so you can easily understand this. YOU SAID THAT YOU WANTED A REFUND AND I WILL HONOR YOUR WISHES. SIMPLY SEND BACK THE PRODUCTS THAT YOU PURCHASED FROM ME FOR A FULL REFUND, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. I WILL ACCEPT THE PIPE THAT I CANNOT USE, THE HEAD SHELLS THAT YOU DRILLED OUT, THE DOMES THAT YOU DESTROYED TRYING TO CUT YOURSELF WHICH I CANNOT RESELL NOR WOULD TRY TO AND THE INTAKE MANIFOLDS. I WILL ACCEPT ONLY A C.O.D. DELIVERY FROM UPS TO ME TO INSURE THAT I RECEIVE ALL OF THE PRODUCTS BACK. PLEASE EMAIL THE TRACKING NUMBER SO I CAN HAVE PAYMENT READY.
I was going to get the domes to you, but with the constant BS posts that you are making I feel as though it is time to end this. I will respond to this topic no more, simply send back the parts and get your refund like you said you wanted. If you want to set something different up then please call me 541-231-6069 between 3pm-4pm pacific time, I will make sure to have the phone by my side.

Jeff Curry

[RiverRat]

This thread is such a joke. Just send the parts back and get your refund. Then you and curry can go your oposite ways and not do business w/ each other again. Sanding WDK off the head is a joke. Flamming someone so publically and still expecting them to kneel to your every command is just not practical. Likewise flamming someone so publically and still using his parts is obserd. If you feel so wronged get your refund and walk. No damage done...........but you want to keep the exhaust b/c no one else makes it. :bs2: The way I see it this whole deal started over your faliure to effectivly blueprint this motor. Anything over 87mm on a stock cylinder is putting you in the RED zone for head o-ring failure. You don't know the information to get this motor running correctly on paper much less in the real world..........and that is not WDK fault. Sorry, that is just my .02 and I have to call :bs2:

[2nd nature]

What Happened To The Raflle Items? Thats A Joke

[Bonzia Bob]

I would like everyone to know that we never asked for a bargain price, never. I do regret that it has come to this, its not good for anybody. I do however refuse to be made out like a bad guy on this one. I have tried to work with Jeff, but he refuses to. Thats the bottom line. I realize fully that we are building something nobody else has, isn't that the idea? We were just trying to get the most power possible out of the motor and if it lit..........we really wouldn't care. Now that we can wash our hands of this we will be looking for other options on a big bore head. We will keep you posted.

[Bonzia Bob]

This thread is such a joke. Just send the parts back and get your refund. Then you and curry can go your oposite ways and not do business w/ each other again. Sanding WDK off the head is a joke. Flamming someone so publically and still expecting them to kneel to your every command is just not practical. Likewise flamming someone so publically and still using his parts is obserd. If you feel so wronged get your refund and walk. No damage done...........but you want to keep the exhaust b/c no one else makes it. :bs2: The way I see it this whole deal started over your faliure to effectivly blueprint this motor. Anything over 87mm on a stock cylinder is putting you in the RED zone for head o-ring failure. You don't know the information to get this motor running correctly on paper much less in the real world..........and that is not WDK fault. Sorry, that is just my .02 and I have to call :bs2:

Easy for you to say, at least he will answer the phone when you call. The exhaust keeps coming up in this and I'm not sure why. I posted that he gave us a special price because it was not finished, he however failed to tell us that until we received the item. I guess I should have just bent over and took it in the ass and waited another six months to a year to get my parts, now I have to call :bs2:

[jetskiking]

What Happened To The Raflle Items? Thats A JokeThats what I'm wondering. I even crossed out waterdog on my shirt with a permanent marker. Way to get some free advertising Jeff:bs2: . I will be honest. I think you showed the whole jetskiing community what was up this weekend Jeff LOL. Kinda sucks cause from what I can tell you seam to be very tallented, but a very poor buisiness man. The Raffle was for a Charity so not only did you shaft all the jetskiers but you also shafted Childrens Healthcare of Atlanta and the AWA :frown:

[Jawbreaker]

:AR15firing: .:shooter3: .:poke: :hitwithrock: :buttkick:

.:261:

[wayne]

This thread is such a joke. Just send the parts back and get your refund. Then you and curry can go your oposite ways and not do business w/ each other again. Sanding WDK off the head is a joke. Flamming someone so publically and still expecting them to kneel to your every command is just not practical. Likewise flamming someone so publically and still using his parts is obserd. If you feel so wronged get your refund and walk. No damage done...........but you want to keep the exhaust b/c no one else makes it. :bs2: The way I see it this whole deal started over your faliure to effectivly blueprint this motor. Anything over 87mm on a stock cylinder is putting you in the RED zone for head o-ring failure. You don't know the information to get this motor running correctly on paper much less in the real world..........and that is not WDK fault. Sorry, that is just my .02 and I have to call :bs2:

i have to agree. i have never dealt with jeff, but i am with riverrat. send it all back not just the parts you can't use. if you don't want to use his parts send them all back. if this is soo bad why would you want any of his parts on your boat. that is just advertising for him. or sell the exhaust to mile he has the fx1 prepeg hull. i can understand why you are upset, but cut ties totally with him. you know every time you see that exhaust you will remember this problem.

[yamaslut]

Ya ever heard of the story about the guy who goes out and beats the hell out of his girlfriends car w/ a baseball bat just because he wants to get back together w/ her???

[WFO Speedracer]

I will have to put my input on this ,why would he send the pipe back,obviously it came basically in pieces which means a lot of tacking,cutting fitting and welding went into it to make it work properly.I have seen pics of Bobs work and he does a great job,I am sure the pipe took some time to do ,so much so that its a Bob pipe not a WDK pipe now and you think he should just send it back.I call:bsflag: on this one.

[MADMAT]

I think Jeff should change the name of the company to Curraskai or Curryha.

Much props to the next OEM.

Just my .02:cheer:

[wayne]

YOU SAID THAT YOU WANTED A REFUND AND I WILL HONOR YOUR WISHES. SIMPLY SEND BACK THE PRODUCTS THAT YOU PURCHASED FROM ME FOR A FULL REFUND, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. I WILL ACCEPT THE PIPE THAT I CANNOT USE, THE HEAD SHELLS THAT YOU DRILLED OUT, THE DOMES THAT YOU DESTROYED TRYING TO CUT YOURSELF WHICH I CANNOT RESELL NOR WOULD TRY TO AND THE INTAKE MANIFOLDS. I WILL ACCEPT ONLY A C.O.D. DELIVERY FROM UPS TO ME TO INSURE THAT I RECEIVE ALL OF THE PRODUCTS BACK. PLEASE EMAIL THE TRACKING NUMBER SO I CAN HAVE PAYMENT READY.
I was going to get the domes to you, but with the constant BS posts that you are making I feel as though it is time to end this. I will respond to this topic no more, simply send back the parts and get your refund like you said you wanted. If you want to set something different up then please call me 541-231-6069 between 3pm-4pm pacific time, I will make sure to have the phone by my side.

Jeff Curry

i was just saying what jeff said. send every thing back and he will get a full refund. if bob could have done the entire pipe then jeff would not be involved in the pipe, but since jeff sent the pipe, regardless of what else was done by bob, he said all the parts. this needs to be dealt with between them not any one else. what they do about the welding and work the bob put in to the pipe is up to them.

[Bonzia Bob]

This is were the refund problem starts. With Jeff its all or nothing. Either I send everything back to him or nothing at all. I will not be sending anything back because I have way too much time invested in the pipe. Jeff still will not answer his phone when I call but oh well. If thats the way he wants it to be then thats that. The reason all this sh*t started was because of his refusal to answer his phone/e-mails/pm's on this board. Yesterday got a little out of hand with tempers flaring out of control, but damage done, too late now. I was just tired of all the lies. If you do business with Jeff I hope that it works out for you. I am in no way telling anyone to not buy from Jeff, just telling my experience. With that said, I'm out, I will not be bashing WDK anymore.

[sjetrider]

What Happened To The Raflle Items? Thats A Joke

I won them in a silent auction :arms: LOL

[sjetrider]

This debate could go on forever, but the bottom line if I am reading correctly is that WDK sent an intake mnfld, head, blank domes, exhaust mnfld. and a chamber (some assembly required) to TX for $800 or $900. All of these items were essential to this build and at a very, very cheap price (YOU COULDNT BUY THEM USED FOR THIS PRICE IF YOU COULD FIND THEM PERIOD). The assembly was completed and there were issues and now its all Jeff's fault LOL. Thanks for your help Jeff LOL look what you have done. I think Jeff has done his part on this build, one portion didnt work out, but the better part of WDK's contrabution is fine CORRECT. He is now saying send it ALL back for a full refund including frt. (find a vendor that offers that) because obviously he cannot make this or these customers happy. Am I viewing this wrong? Jef may have gone in optomistically saying he can do this that or the other and only occomplished 2/3 of that, but isnt that how the ball bounces w/ custom work most of the time??????

[Bonzia Bob]

$895.54 - Tacked together chamber, 2 lord mounts, 90 degree chamber end, exhaust manifold with casting holes still needing to be filled, 2 head shells, 2 blank domes. No hardware, no orings, no pipe coupler. Once again I will state that we were under the impression that the pipe was a completely new design in an oval shape to fit the fx-1, completed with powder coating. It was kind of a shock to find it not as promised. The only thing we new for sure was the domes were blanks.

$209.54 - 2 intake manifolds and hardware.

[63chevyll]

"but isnt that how the ball bounces w/ custom work most of the time??????"

at this level, i agree.
I think it tool a lot of ingenuity from both sides to try and make it work.

Not everyone can spend 5K on a new custom engine

[douglee25]

Suggestion - Read On....

I've read the thread now a couple of times... trying to take a step back, here is my suggestion....

1. Bob and Crew keeps pipe... no issues as it is now installed.

2. Bob and Crew keeps manifold pieces... no issues as it is now installed.

3. WDK cuts new domes and Bob and Crew pays half the labor and parts.


If the domes are now unuseable, so be it. Start with a fresh set and split the cost down the middle for materials and labor. Both parties will take a loss, but that's how business can go when there is a disagreement. Whether Jeff didn't return calls or Bob ruined a set of domes, it doesn't really matter... just agree to disagree (however the expression goes). What matters is that Jeff and Bob had an agreement to start on a project that was considered 'unchartered territory'. They should finish the project that was originally agreed on.


Jeff,
Agree to fab up a set of domes within 1 week. Provide a tracking number and photographs to Bob at the time of completion. Ship the day the tracking number is produced.

Bob and crew,
Provide whatever dimensions, info, etc that Jeff needs to fab up the domes. As soon as you receive the tracking number and pictures, pay Jeff half the cost of materials and labor with the your Amex.

If everything works, call it a day and go your separate ways.

How does this sound?

Doug

[The Penguin]

finally - a voice of reason.

[Bonzia Bob]

Suggestion - Read On....

I've read the thread now a couple of times... trying to take a step back, here is my suggestion....

1. Bob and Crew keeps pipe... no issues as it is now installed.

2. Bob and Crew keeps manifold pieces... no issues as it is now installed.

3. WDK cuts new domes and Bob and Crew pays half the labor and parts.


If the domes are now unuseable, so be it. Start with a fresh set and split the cost down the middle for materials and labor. Both parties will take a loss, but that's how business can go when there is a disagreement. Whether Jeff didn't return calls or Bob ruined a set of domes, it doesn't really matter... just agree to disagree (however the expression goes). What matters is that Jeff and Bob had an agreement to start on a project that was considered 'unchartered territory'. They should finish the project that was originally agreed on.


Jeff,
Agree to fab up a set of domes within 1 week. Provide a tracking number and photographs to Bob at the time of completion. Ship the day the tracking number is produced.

Bob and crew,
Provide whatever dimensions, info, etc that Jeff needs to fab up the domes. As soon as you receive the tracking number and pictures, pay Jeff half the cost of materials and labor with the your Amex.

If everything works, call it a day and go your separate ways.

How does this sound?

Doug

Very well put Doug, thats what we have been trying to do for the last month.

[sjetrider]

Seems to be past reasoning at this point.


Suggestion - Read On....

I've read the thread now a couple of times... trying to take a step back, here is my suggestion....

1. Bob and Crew keeps pipe... no issues as it is now installed.

2. Bob and Crew keeps manifold pieces... no issues as it is now installed.

3. WDK cuts new domes and Bob and Crew pays half the labor and parts.


If the domes are now unuseable, so be it. Start with a fresh set and split the cost down the middle for materials and labor. Both parties will take a loss, but that's how business can go when there is a disagreement. Whether Jeff didn't return calls or Bob ruined a set of domes, it doesn't really matter... just agree to disagree (however the expression goes). What matters is that Jeff and Bob had an agreement to start on a project that was considered 'unchartered territory'. They should finish the project that was originally agreed on.


Jeff,
Agree to fab up a set of domes within 1 week. Provide a tracking number and photographs to Bob at the time of completion. Ship the day the tracking number is produced.

Bob and crew,
Provide whatever dimensions, info, etc that Jeff needs to fab up the domes. As soon as you receive the tracking number and pictures, pay Jeff half the cost of materials and labor with the your Amex.

If everything works, call it a day and go your separate ways.

How does this sound?

Doug

[RiverRat]

I don’t even know where to start with this, but I will keep it short and simple. First, the project that these guy’s are doing is a CUSTOM project. I STOCK NOTHING THAT WILL BOLT A GP800 MOTOR INTO A FX-1. With that said, you cannot expect me to send you a complete exhaust system that will bolt into your hull, and secondly, you cannot expect me to build you domes to accommodate a piston that I have never seen. No other shop will touch this project, PERIOD!!! I made the mistake of trying to help but that time is over. I knew better. You said to me that nobody will touch your domes. Why is that? It is not because they are my domes, it is because they don’t want the responsibility of the aftermath that occurs. It is a NO WIN situation for the shop. When you decide to do a project of this magnitude, you must understand that you are pretty much on your own. I do it on a daily basis with the composite and machining side of my business. You expect me to be at your beckon call with this and I am done. I wanted to help, not because of the money, a mere $200 profit on my end, but just to help. But, when you start demanding and leaving ridiculous messages with massive profanity, you crossed the line. I don’t need the headache.
This post is a he said/she said style that could go on and on. I don’t have the time nor the patience for this game. Bottom line is this, you feel as though you were cheated and are not happy with anything. I feel that your entire project is a waste of my time. I have no cad file or drawing of the piston, so no domes will be delivered to you. At this point I want to do no future business with you or be a part of this fiasco any longer. I will put this is capital so you can easily understand this. YOU SAID THAT YOU WANTED A REFUND AND I WILL HONOR YOUR WISHES. SIMPLY SEND BACK THE PRODUCTS THAT YOU PURCHASED FROM ME FOR A FULL REFUND, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. I WILL ACCEPT THE PIPE THAT I CANNOT USE, THE HEAD SHELLS THAT YOU DRILLED OUT, THE DOMES THAT YOU DESTROYED TRYING TO CUT YOURSELF WHICH I CANNOT RESELL NOR WOULD TRY TO AND THE INTAKE MANIFOLDS. I WILL ACCEPT ONLY A C.O.D. DELIVERY FROM UPS TO ME TO INSURE THAT I RECEIVE ALL OF THE PRODUCTS BACK. PLEASE EMAIL THE TRACKING NUMBER SO I CAN HAVE PAYMENT READY.
I was going to get the domes to you, but with the constant BS posts that you are making I feel as though it is time to end this. I will respond to this topic no more, simply send back the parts and get your refund like you said you wanted. If you want to set something different up then please call me 541-231-6069 between 3pm-4pm pacific time, I will make sure to have the phone by my side.

Jeff Curry

I think that is a fair offer. Bonzi Bob does not want to represent or promote WDK in any way. Shaving WDK off the head shell was even brought up. Jeff does not want to have Bob and his pals representing WDK. By doing a 180 on the deal both parties are close to equal IMO and both parties sever any ties with one anouther. I think that is what it is boiling down too. A simple set of domes not being delivered did not warrent the multible negative threads on this issue, especially when he was not provided the information needed to cut a set of domes for this custom application.

[Bonzia Bob]

I will type this very slowly so maybe some of you can understand. WE OFFERED ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS TO OVERNIGHT THE CYLINDERS AND THE PISTONS TO JEFF AND HE SAID NO, HE WOULD CUT THEM AND SEND THEM OVERNIGHT. THIS NEVER HAPPENED. THEN HE REFUSED TO RETURN PHONE CALLS. THEN WHEN BRIAN FINALLY TALKED TO HIM HE ONCE AGAIN SAID AND I QUOTE "MAN I HAD TO SUCK MY MACHINIST DICK AND TAKE A SHOT IN THE MOUTH TO GET THIS DONE ON SUNDAY BUT YOU WILL HAVE YOUR DOMES ON TUESDAY" THEN ON TUESDAY HE SAID THEY WERE DONE AND WE WOULD NOW HAVE THEM ON THURSDAY. THEN YESTERDAY I PISSED HIM OFF AND NOW HE WONT DO BUSINESS WITH ME ANY MORE. SO ********ING WHAT.

[RiverRat]

I will type this very slowly so maybe some of you can understand. WE OFFERED ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS TO OVERNIGHT THE CYLINDERS AND THE PISTONS TO JEFF AND HE SAID NO, HE WOULD CUT THEM AND SEND THEM OVERNIGHT. THIS NEVER HAPPENED. THEN HE REFUSED TO RETURN PHONE CALLS. THEN WHEN BRIAN FINALLY TALKED TO HIM HE ONCE AGAIN SAID AND I QUOTE "MAN I HAD TO SUCK MY MACHINIST DICK AND TAKE A SHOT IN THE MOUTH TO GET THIS DONE ON SUNDAY BUT YOU WILL HAVE YOUR DOMES ON TUESDAY" THEN ON TUESDAY HE SAID THEY WERE DONE AND WE WOULD NOW HAVE THEM ON THURSDAY. THEN YESTERDAY I PISSED HIM OFF AND NOW HE WONT DO BUSINESS WITH ME ANY MORE. SO ********ING WHAT.

He would need the entire motor in order to get the measurements necessary to cut domes.

[The Penguin]

I'm sure through all of this, that Bob could afford to ship an entire motor to WDK to get the domes cut. If Jeff says "I don't need it to cut domes" - is he supposed to ship it anyway?

is sounds like all of this could have been prevented with just a little better customer service on Jeff's end (big surprise there)

[Kaveman]

Bob and crew are innovative builders and have success in doing custom products (just ask the folks at Blowsion). Jeff has built some fine products as well. For those who have not worked with either of these parties KEEP YOUR THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS TO YOURSELF. This post was to advise others on what they might expect in doing business with WDK and to bring things out in the open. Both parties have stated their cases now perhaps they can run an iron over this sh!t! Even still an iron over sh!t is going to smell like hell when it's all over. Let these guys work it out and remember this thread regardless of where you stand. I'm sure it will come up again in the near future...one way or the other.

[wayne]

you do know this is a public forum right? So your statement about keeping your thoughts and opinions to yourself pretty much means squat. If you don't want other people to give their opinions DO NOT PUT THEM ON A PUBLIC FORUM. i hate it when people come on a public forum go on a rant and OTHER people say you should not state your opinion. maybe there needs to be a section to where only people involved in the dispute can only post their sides and nobody else.

[yamaslut]

Bob and crew are innovative builders and have success in doing custom products (just ask the folks at Blowsion). Jeff has built some fine products as well. For those who have not worked with either of these parties KEEP YOUR THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS TO YOURSELF. This post was to advise others on what they might expect in doing business with WDK and to bring things out in the open. Both parties have stated their cases now perhaps they can run an iron over this sh!t! Even still an iron over sh!t is going to smell like hell when it's all over. Let these guys work it out and remember this thread regardless of where you stand. I'm sure it will come up again in the near future...one way or the other.


Really, what do you expect people to do??? If people don't want dialog they should not post private matters on a public forum. RIght??? I think it's fair to hear more than one persons side of the story.

[Kaveman]

You're absolutely right! State your opinion if you have something to base it on other than "well I heard or so and so said." It's the people who have no basis other than hearsay making post that I'm speaking of. That's where the part about having dealt with either of them comes in.

[wayne]

how many people give their opinions on seadoo's, honda's or other sitdowns that they have never owned and state they are pos's. same concept just a different topic.

[tom21]

Where's Rodney King when you need him?

[Mouthfulloflake]

Rodeny King.. bwwhahahaha

[The Penguin]

who needs Rodney King when we have Underdog?

[Kaveman]

a LITTLE different. If people with no grounds for their opinion wish to keep talking out their arse :fart: it's gonna happen. Honda, Seadoo and such are large companies with vertually unlimited funds and nascar like followings. Furthermore the first sentence of the thread states the problem is with lies and promises from an individual NOT the company or its product.

[wayne]

he is the company and custom makes HIS product. one in the same. just because honda, seadoo and such are big companies what does that have to do with people who have never owned them giving their opinions just like this topic. wouldn't they be talking out of their arse also.

[yamaslut]

a LITTLE different. If people with no grounds for their opinion wish to keep talking out their arse :fart: it's gonna happen. Honda, Seadoo and such are large companies with vertually unlimited funds and nascar like followings. Furthermore the first sentence of the thread states the problem is with lies and promises from an individual NOT the company or its product.


Once this thread was posted, it became a public conversation... It should have been left private, but don't blame the people commenting on it... They are just doing what they do... posting on topics on this site...

[tom21]

my arse makes talking noises all the time and my wife hates it. threadjackers!!!!

I am hoping for a happy ending(no pun intended) bob and crew need domes and no one else is capable, jeff could use the money( guessing) so be the better man- name a price and get it done- conflict resolved- customer is SATISFIED( notice I didn't say happy) jeff is paid and we all will have to find something else to occupy our time.

[Bonzia Bob]

Once this thread was posted, it became a public conversation... It should have been left private, but don't blame the people commenting on it... They are just doing what they do... posting on topics on this site...

How do you handle something in private when you call someone for to five times a day for over a week and they will not answer or return calls. They won't respond to e-mails, or pm's on this board. This thread was started because of the fact that Jeff refused to face all the lies he had told us. Lets not forget that the "domes" are now "supposed" to be done (funny, I thought he couldn't do that without either a blueprint or the motor, as some individuals say) Now he wants to play nany nany boo boo, I gonna throw them away, you can't have them. Well all I have to say is I will meet you at the monkey bars at recess Jeff. :biggrin:

[Kaveman]

Out

[yamaslut]

How do you handle something in private when you call someone for to five times a day for over a week and they will not answer or return calls. They won't respond to e-mails, or pm's on this board. This thread was started because of the fact that Jeff refused to face all the lies he had told us. Lets not forget that the "domes" are now "supposed" to be done (funny, I thought he couldn't do that without either a blueprint or the motor, as some individuals say) Now he wants to play nany nany boo boo, I gonna throw them away, you can't have them. Well all I have to say is I will meet you at the monkey bars at recess Jeff. :biggrin:

he he he.... I do understand your frustration, as we all have been there w/ aftermarket companies... I hope you get that thing running soon, cause it looks bad ass... w/ that I'm out too...

Good Luck to you and Jeff....

[The Penguin]

monkey bars are for sissies.

real mean meet at the bike racks. :biggrin:

[the only couch rider]

monkey bars are for sissies.

real mean meet at the bike racks. :biggrin:


nah man it's all about the tether ball poll:biggthumpup:

[Bonzia Bob]

monkey bars are for sissies.

real mean meet at the bike racks. :biggrin:


nah man it's all about the tether ball poll:biggthumpup:



:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Yeah, I'm just trying to lighten this up a little. Lets all remember, nobody wins hear. All the finger pointing and name calling will never change anything. Jeff takes a hit on the internet, I don't get any domes....................end of story.

[Moondance]

Everyone just needs to get along & eat some rummy worms:biggrin:

[skinnyman]

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:


With that I'm out also(I was never in but fell to the peer pressure)

[Thajeffski]

Seems like every few months there's another guy not happy with this Hick M-Fer called WDK.

I really wish people would stop getting suckered by this guy.

On a field trip the other day I watched a 6th grader shake up a can of soda in his shirt, point it at a girl, and then open it, with the opening facing her. Soaking her. He was too far away and could not hear me yelling at him from when I saw him shaking it.

The girl was very upset, and when I called him over to ask him what he had done, he would not answer any questions and said "fine I'll get another soda"

He then had 3 teachers infront of him and we confronted him with the fact that he is Lying to our faces. He kept on bs'ing us until one of us started to yell and took control of his attitude.

Guess what happened, the big tough bully started to cry, infront of everyone. He finally had to face the fact that he was a liar.

What's the point?

Someday Jeff will come face to face with the fact that he's a liar, and it won't be three teachers. It'll be some guy named Bob or Tom, who stands 6 feet tall and has a chest you could bounce rocks off of. Only then, when his head is being smashed up against a brick wall will he come to the realization that he's a low-down dirty crook.

In my short time on these jetski websites (just 2 or 3 years) I have read so many negative experiences with WDK that if anyone I know even thinks of going to him they will be warned and not allowed to purchase from this guy.

Anyone who cannot answer the phone or find someone to JUST answer his phone does not deserve to be in business. Hell, now you can outsource your phone answering service to india for pennies a day.

[WFO Speedracer]

Jeff it is obvious to me and several others here that you are only here because you are on the MU list at the other site,you have no standup or the intention of ever getting one.You ARE A honda rider for Gods sake.Therefore I can only assume you are here to get your daily attention fix.I will forewarn you this site is not tolerant of BS, be forewarned and if you are here just to start trouble please take it else where,we don't need the drama here.Oh and Jeff welcome to the X.:biggthumpup:

[Thajeffski]

Dude you're a freakin stalker, stay away scary man, I don't need to even post on pwctoday thanks to the fact that you lust for my balls so much that you post up another thread about me! Nice work.

[hangtime]

Dude you're a freakin stalker, stay away scary man, I don't need to even post on pwctoday thanks to the fact that you lust for my balls so much that you post up another thread about me! Nice work.


Never has anyone spewed so much BS as you Jeff .you've been riding for 2 years now and you know everything

[WFO Speedracer]

Thats the kind of BS I am talking about Jeff,right there in your post for all the world to see.

[WFO Speedracer]

What's the point?

Someday Thajeffski will come face to face with the fact that he's a internet troll, and it won't be three teachers. It'll be some guy named Bob or Tom, who stands 6 feet tall and has a chest you could bounce rocks off of. Only then, when his head is being smashed up against a brick wall will he come to the realization that he's a low-down dirty internet troll.

In my short time on these jetski websites (just 2 or 3 years) I have become an internet troll,there have been so many negative experiences with me that if anyone I know even thinks of posting about me they will be warned and not allowed to associate with me.

Anyone who cannot troll on PWCTODAY or find some other web site to troll on does not deserve to be here. Hell, now you can get on the MU list on two websites in one day.

DAMN

[Thajeffski]

And you are not a troll? You follow me from site to site, thread to thread, posting up more bs than anyone can even comprehend. Do I start threads about you? Do I even mention you in other threads? No, you're the one who just loves to come suck my cock.

Wow look how cool you are coming over here and hijacking the thread. Take a hike mo

ps. nice post, http://www.pwctoday.com/showthread.php?t=141032

Pot meet kettle.

[63chevyll]

WTF??^^^^^^^
Bob, at least you have a wet bike. All worries are over.......

[WFO Speedracer]

And you are not a troll? You follow me from site to site, thread to thread, posting up more bs than anyone can even comprehend. Do I start threads about you? Do I even mention you in other threads? No, you're the one who just loves to come suck my cock.

Wow look how cool you are coming over here and hijacking the thread. Take a hike mo

ps. nice post, http://www.pwctoday.com/showthread.php?t=141032

Pot meet kettle.

I won't get into with you here Jeff,I have said my peace, this is not the time nor the place for this BS.

[Thajeffski]

You are just too funny man, first you're starting polls that show your true middle school mentality, and now you are so mature that "it's not the nor the place".:spank::spank::spank::spank:

[WFO Speedracer]

I will try to put this in terms you can easily understand.This is X-H2O ,it is not nor do we intend it to be like PWCTODAY.What goes on over there stays over there.The kind of trash you have been allowed to post over there is not needed or welcomed here.If you have any more questions I am one of our Moderators will be glad to assist you.

[stuntbikemike]

This could have all been avoided with one call to x metal.......they care and tell it the way it is......if its going to be months....they tell you its going to be months......why go anywhere else?