advice on mods for stock superjet

[JetPilot]

:1244: I have an '07 superjet completely stock and was looking for ideas and advice on just what to do first. I ride in Lake Mathis (Corpus Christi) and Lake McQueeney, jumping wakes of boats at Mcqueeney and the white cap swells of Lake Mathis. Right now I'm just looking to give the ski more power so I can get some serious air. Some of my own thoughts, and tell me what you think, have been a B-pipe, Skat-Trak impeller, definately need some footholds or straps. Please tell me if you think these ideas will get me out of the water any more and feel free to give me any advice you see fit.
ACQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW:hail:

[FLY6584]

I have posted this before, but I figured I would copy and paste it into your thread so you can see a good step by step break down for modding an SJ.:biggthumpup:

Honestly I think it's best to take it in stages kind of like Wamiltons steps he has on his website. I know they're kinda cheesy and his packages definitely are not the cheapest route, but I agree with his logic.

This is how I would do it.

Stage 1
-Worx 201 Intake Grate/JD Intake Grate
-Skat Swirl
-Stick with stock rideplate for now(D-cut later)
-0 Deg Bars
-Bilge Pump

Stage 2
-Footholds/Turf
-Shorten Stock Handlepole
-Shortened Turn Plate and UMI Steering if you dont mind spending a little more
-Seal Stock Hood!!!
-Reinforce
-Hood Straps/Handlepole Limiting Strap

Stage 3
-Bpipe
-Girdled Head
-Carbon Tech Low Tension Reeds (Until you're ready to spend the big bucks on some really good reeds)

Stage 4
-Enhancer/Modified Stock CDI
-Lightened Flywheel

Stage 5
-Porting
-Bigger Carbs
-Better Reeds

Stage 6
-Aftermarket Hood
-Aftermarket Handlepole
-Scupper
-Tubbies


Right now I've completed stages 1-3, enhancer, and a few other things I have added along the way. So far I am very very happy with my setup. :Banane01: Now if you preferred more power before footholds/shortened handlepole then you can go for Stage 3 or at least a bpipe before you start on Stage 2. Personally I think Stage 2 should come first though because they are relatively cheap/free mods that require more time/labor on your part than anything else.

Now if you had unlimited amounts of money then go for it all. This plan is more for a person on a budget like I was when I was building up my sj.

Whats really cool about doing it that way is if you're someone like me who is relatively new to the sport and wrenching then you can do pretty much everything yourself up until Stage 5. When it comes to tuning the ski the package you have put together is such a common package that you can get a ton of help and guidance. I've learned so much in the past couple of months setting up my ski and definitely wouldn't have been able to do it without the X and some really helpful friends.

:hail: :hail: :hail: X-H20

By the time you are ready to get into Porting and bigger carbs you have a good understanding of the 701 and you'll be able to get the most out of and properly tune that new ported motor.

Good Luck:biggthumpup:

[FLY6584]

Also use the search function. This is probably the most common thread around here and everyone has their own opinion on what route to take so do a quick search and see what everyone else thinks.:biggthumpup:

[Squarenose]

You ride at Packery?? I'm about to put footholds on my SJ, I need to get a limiting rope. Footholds will help for the surf. I'm tired of pushing my feet out and hoping for the best. Hope some day to get a quick steer. I saw a guy out at packery with an 07 SJ the other day.

[JetPilot]

Thanks FLY. I've seen Wamilton's steps or phases on their site and it seemed to make sense. I am just looking for as much input as possible. Its good to talk to someone who has gone through the same steps themselves, so I appreciate the feedback. I also agree with you on possibly bumping up the footholds and other minor stuff in the order as I am already having trouble staying in the tray off big enough wakes. Would the B-Pipe make the biggest difference as for giving the ski more punch? And how difficult is it to install the foot holds? which ones do you use?

SQUARENOSE, I'm not too sure if I know where packery is on lake mathis, but I was on the lake the past two weekends, so you might have seen me. Where do you ride in relation to the dam? I usually ride on the far Northeast side of the lake.

[aqua]

what i would do depends on them money you have to play with. the b pipe would be the best bang for the buck. scoop intake grate helps alot to get you out of the water. footholds help to keep you in and you can lift the ski up higher for your jumping.

first i would try the pipe, intake grate, impeller, and footholds. that should keep you happy for a bit and give you more than enough power to play with. in my mind those are essentials...then you can add more later as you see fit.

[JetPilot]

:newbie: Thanks Aqua, funds are limited as of now so thats exactly what I'm looking for is bang for my buck. Though the B pipe is expensive, I have heard it will give me that hard hitting response im looking for. How difficult is that part to install? Is it something I can do or will I need to take the boat to a dealer. Also, what intake grate would you prefer, FLY above mentioned the worx 201 or JD intake grate. What do you think of a bilge pump off the bat, necessary or not really? Thanks for the input.

[nickt916]

FLY6584, now im gonna reffer to my jet as being modded in stages if my friends ask. At the moment if they ask if its modded ill say, its Stage 0 :) i will go by those stages, makes it much easier to make things in order. In stage 2 you said, shortened turn plate, and UMI steering, is that 2 upgrades or one? i dont think you can shorten your stock steering?? and i thought UMI steering comes with the shortened turn plate already?

[JetPilot]

What about wamiltons billet stubby pump cone? Will this do anything by itself or do I need other mods to make this one worth the money? Then again its only $45. :hail: to all who give their two cents........

[eschberg]

What about wamiltons billet stubby pump cone? Will this do anything by itself or do I need other mods to make this one worth the money? Then again its only $45. :hail: to all who give their two cents........
I didn't notice much from my pump cone, on my ski... so I personally wouldn't spend the money on it. Your funds are limited right now, I would say just ride it and get used to your ski until you can afford the upgrades...

Like Aqua said the best would be to start with a B Pipe, Impeller, Intake Grate and Footholds. For surf riding, that would be great... for flatwater your gonna spend a lot more money.

-B pipe can be installed by yourself, you just have to tune your carbs after the install.
-Intake Grate is just about the easiest thing on the ski.
-Impeller... needs a special tool thing, but it's easy also.
-footholds requires the most work (IMO) because you need to glass them in and most likely returf afterwords.


That being said... Me and some friends are going down to Port Aransas May 19-21. I'm bringing my ski down there. If you want... come over and ride.

[aqua]

What about wamiltons billet stubby pump cone? Will this do anything by itself or do I need other mods to make this one worth the money? Then again its only $45. :hail: to all who give their two cents........

i didnt notice a diff with the pump cone installed. it is a cheap mod but first i would go with the b pipe....you can buy them cheaper than new if you look around. i just bought a manifold, chamber, and headpipe last week for 280 shipped. intake grate....i would go with the worx 201. i just bought my second one for my second ski. bilge pump.....if you plan on submerging it definately get a bilge.....in the surf you might want one anyway. foot hold will be the hardest and most intimidating part to install....if you have a nice ski you will hate taking a saw to it but it must be done. i have kickers in mine and they are ok but i would probably try something else the next time i install any. none of this is too hard....time consuming and a few cuss words here and there and you will giet it. i wouldnt take it to the dealer unless i had no tool.....hell......i would rather go buy the tools and do it myself than let a dealer touch my ski. you can get help for your stuff here.....just do lots of research...especially on installing the footholds....any body here should be able to answer any questions that you have. it might help to get a service manual for your sj too if you dont have it....there is a pdf one floating around someone can send you via email. impeller get a solas 13/17 or comparable skat.

[FLY6584]

Would the B-Pipe make the biggest difference as for giving the ski more punch?

Yes for sure. Best bang for your buck.


And how difficult is it to install the foot holds? which ones do you use?


I've got 24-7's and I like them, but if I were to do it again I would probably go with something that holds more of your foot in. The 24-7's are more of a toe hold. Installing them is not bad. If you can find someone that has done it before and have them give you a hand then that would help. I was lucky enough to have a friend help me out and we did everything from deturfing to footholds to turfing in one night.:bigeyes: It was a long night.:biggthumpup:

[FLY6584]

think of a bilge pump off the bat, necessary or not really?

Definitely do that right away. The stock superjet hoods take on a lot of water and it helps to have a second bilge pump pumping the water out.

[FLY6584]

In stage 2 you said, shortened turn plate, and UMI steering, is that 2 upgrades or one? i dont think you can shorten your stock steering?? and i thought UMI steering comes with the shortened turn plate already?

Well generally you buy the turnplate separate from the UMI Steering System. When I said steering system I was just referring to the mounting plate, shaft, bearings, etc.

You will purchase the turnplate seperately. Wamiltons, Xmetal, Waterdawg, and Blowsion are all great turnplates. I like the Wamiltons because it accepts 0 Deg or straight bars.

I believe Waterdawg offers a complete system for a pretty good price. I would look into that.

[JetPilot]

[QUOTE=eschberg;258790]-B pipe can be installed by yourself, you just have to tune your carbs after the install.
-Intake Grate is just about the easiest thing on the ski.
-Impeller... needs a special tool thing, but it's easy also.
-footholds requires the most work (IMO) because you need to glass them in and most likely returf afterwords.QUOTE]

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would a SJ service manual give basic guidelines to follow after installing mods? i have only been riding for a year, and completely stock at that, so when you say I would need to tune my carbs after installing the b pipe I honestly dont know what you are refering to... carbs?.... :dunno:

I noticed you were from San Marcos, I ride up at Lake McQueeney often. Any chance you might be available to help with some mods before i go tearing into my ski? ie. footholds?

[eschberg]

I can help you with some of the basics, I just started riding standups last April, SkinnyMan helps me out with most of my questions. This website has a plethora of knowledge on it. Visit the TECH FAQ and live in it for about a week. It covers a lot of the basic stuff you will need. But yeah, I can run down to McQueeny one weekend and help you out.

[JetPilot]

sounds good... Is Skinnyman's first name chris? I think I just sold him my '98 sj this past weekend. He seemed very knowledgeble about all this.

[eschberg]

No. Skinnyman is in dallas... Larry.

[wydopen]

if you are on a budget and not too handy then just use some straps instead of footwells....alot easier to install and cheaper

[nickt916]

Well generally you buy the turnplate separate from the UMI Steering System. When I said steering system I was just referring to the mounting plate, shaft, bearings, etc.

You will purchase the turnplate seperately. Wamiltons, Xmetal, Waterdawg, and Blowsion are all great turnplates. I like the Wamiltons because it accepts 0 Deg or straight bars.

I believe Waterdawg offers a complete system for a pretty good price. I would look into that.

does umi turn plate not accept 0 degree umi bars? because there is a kit for $154 with the plate and brackets and everything and thats a great deal no?

[JetPilot]

:Banane01:
Anyone ever given any thought to using the straps off snowboard bindings as straps for a stand up to use in place of footholds? Im not too excited about cutting up my ski just yet and it would also would be alot cheaper.:dunno:
comments, questions or concerns... :swordfight:
http://www.the-house.com/dynamic/Flow-Flite3-Bnd-Blk-07-prod.jpg

[FLY6584]

:Banane01:
Anyone ever given any thought to using the straps off snowboard bindings as straps for a stand up to use in place of footholds? Im not too excited about cutting up my ski just yet and it would also would be alot cheaper.:dunno:
comments, questions or concerns... :swordfight:
http://www.the-house.com/dynamic/Flow-Flite3-Bnd-Blk-07-prod.jpg

Definitely not. Snowboard bindings are designed to keep you in even during crashes. You do not want to be locked into bindings on a standup. Footholds are designed to hold you in well, but be able to easily release from them.

[JetPilot]

i understand... I was thinking about just using the top straps, not the entire binding. O rmaybe just removing the back part of the binding.

[Matt_E]

It does accept regular 0 degree bars - which have a bend in the middle, to form a V.

0 Degree straight bars are just that, a straight tube. The UMI plate will not take those.