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Matt_E
03-21-2006, 06:28 PM
I authored the Sport Port thread on PWCToday - unfortunately, with the demise of the Tech FAQ you have to really search for that thread to find it.
So, I am trying to get all the information and pictures from that thread ported to this forum.

I would like to thank Paul Lehr, the man behind Jr Magoos, for the many times he's helped me out with this porting work. He was always willing to help me and offer advice, both written and verbal on the phone.
THANKS PAUL!!!

Bear with me, as it may take me a couple of days to finish this thread.
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A majority of the porting described by me is centered around the Sport Port templates that are available for purchase from www.racelogic.com
They sell templates for all kinds of two-stroke engines, but the one I used is for Yamaha Twin Cylinders 650-760.

The template is good for widening the exhaust ports, which is what a freestyle port job should include. The template also alters the intake side of the sleeve bottoms.
There are several ways to modify these intake sleeve areas, I'll try to describe them.

I also worked on my transfer ports - this is not part of the Sport Port Template. Stock Yamaha port matchup is reprehensible at best - there is power to be gained with some cleanup work. Basically, the idea is to match the ports in the cylinder casting to the ports in the steel sleeves. This maximizes port area, which improves power.
It makes me wonder whether Yamaha's Horsepower figures for their engines are based on that poor port matchup or on how they should match up.

First of all, the tools and equipment needed:
You should have a Sport Port template.
I used a Dremel rotary tool, with flex shaft and also the right-angle attachment.
For bits, sanding drums work, and cutting stones work. For some more radical work to the sleeves where massive material removal is needed, a cutting disk can be utilized.
Really, the pros in this business will use specialized air tools with good quality cutting stones. One major drawback to using a Dremel is access: It's not easy to work on the transfer ports, for example, with something as clunky as a dremel. I think that if you want to do the work with a Dremel, use the attachments I specified.
Also, have some porting wax available. I used candle wax. Coat your cutting stones with it frequently - it keeps the stone free of aluminum deposits and keeps it cutting well.
You will also need one or two metal scribes to transfer the template layout onto the cylinder walls.
Lastly, it's a good idea to wear safety glasses and at least a face mask - lots of metal particles, dust, and rotating equipment make for a potentially hazardous work environment.
Here are a couple of pictures to get started: First, an example of poor port matchup on a 701 cylinder.
Next, the templates and tools I used.

Matt_E
03-21-2006, 06:48 PM
Of course, you need to have your motor disassembled. The only part on your work bench should be the bare cylinder.

First, you need to mark the area around the exhaust port with some dye. Ideally, use Prussian Blue for this. I used a Sharpie, and that worked fine.

Next, you'll need to apply the template to the exhaust port. The template is made of flexible magnet strip, so it sticks to the metal sleeve, can be moved around, etc.
You'll want to line up the top of the template with the top of the cylinder, as illustrated.
Center the exhaust port in the hole in the template for it - you want an equal amount of sleeve showing on each side.
Once you're happy with the alignment, use your scribe to mark the new outline of the exhaust port (marked by the template). Hold the template steady for this - you don't want it to move.
You'll likely have to scribe it a couple of times to get an outline that you can see readily.
The three pictures show the process.

Matt_E
03-21-2006, 06:49 PM
Next, I used the Dremel with Flex shaft attachment and large sanding drum with rough grit to remove material. Don't try to go all the way to the scribe line yet, you'll want use finer grit, or a finer stone for that finer detail removal.

Matt_E
03-21-2006, 06:53 PM
Finally, the exhaust ports should end up looking something like what's shown in the pictures.

I believe the ideal exhaust port size is something like 68%-70% (Thanks Ebrig!) of bore diameter.
If you're working on a 760, the exhaust port should probably be larger than what the template suggests.
Personally, I have recently had to bore up to 83mm, and I increased the exhaust port size a bit.

Matt_E
03-21-2006, 07:06 PM
On to the bottom of the sleeves. You'll want to work on the narrow side - it protrudes into the intake area of the cases.

The proper way to apply the template is shown in the first and second picture.
I initially did this the wrong way and lined up the top of the template with the top (or bottom) of the sleeve. See pictures 3 and 4.

Either way works fine. If you do it the way Racelogic intended (Pics 1 and 2) you end up with more mid and top range. This part of the sleeve forms the backwall to the boost port. If you cut it as suggested in picture 1 and 2, you end up shortening the boost port length.
But you also have less sleeve hanging into the intake area of the cases. See a picture comparison between both lengths in the next post.

If you leave the sleeve longer there (and just notch it), as shown in pictures 3 and 4, you have more obstruction in the intake tract of the cases, but a longer boost port channel, which promotes low end power.
Again, see the next post for a picture comparison, and some more info from Paul, Racelogic, and Geek.

Matt_E
03-21-2006, 07:07 PM
More on the intake side of the sleeves.
The first picture shows two port jobs done by HPT and TLR - SuperJETT posted those in the original thread.
Neither one has the sleeve shortened.



when I had my cylinder, I didn't do anything to the intake side.
this was at the same time as smitty had his 701 cylinder with the sport-port template.
our motors were almost identical (stock 38's, 180 psi head, limited 'b' pipes...)
his had WAY more midrange and rolled higher.
mine had way bigger bottom end and better monkey jumps.

Racelogic themselves showed up at the original thread and posted!


I'm not much of a forum poster (tend to walk on my own words). Everyone seems to question, notch or no/notch on the intake. The rear boost channel has a velocity sweet spot for the air/fuel mix (this is true for all models). A longer channel of the same dimension will reach this spot sooner (bottom end power) but it cannot move as much volume. When you cut the notch you will have shortened the channel. You now will have your spot (air speed) up in the rpm range with more volume. This is better for midrange and peak hp numbers.

Cutting off the bottom of the sleeve is a kinda nobrainer. Get it the he** out of the way of the f/a mix. You just can't go too far and sacrifice piston wear.

The SportPort kit give very good gains everywhere in the band. Using the notch or no/notch will tweak it a bit. Another tweak is putting the same notch from the template on the intake side of the piston.

I'd be happy to talk to anyone with questions on the phone
great posts and pictures

John
Race Logic


And here is Paul's opinion (Jrmagoos):


Kudo's to all who are watching this & doing your homework. This is a great thread.

I , Like Art said belives every tuner has their likes & dislikes. What some do works for their style & abilities, while others don't. I do primarily freestyle/freeride porting. I stay away from race style porting.
Race logic is completely correct on the sweet spot of the rear transfer. The leangth has a lot to do with where the powerband startes & ends.
When I do a port job for a customer, I tend to ask a lot of questions as to the riders likes & style. I do slightly differant cuts to try to give those results. Cutting the bottom of the intake skirt is one of them. Some of you, that have my 760 FS cyl mod, will have yours cut. This help that cyl work a little better.

For those of you trying the templates to do your own work. Congradulations ! This is a very frustrating, nerve wracking experiance.
But, when you are finished & run the boat. You have a great feeling of accomplishment. Stick with it, & most of all, be patient!


ski ya, Paul

The second and third picture show the very obvious difference in both setups.

Pictures 4 and 5 show a bit of the grinding itself.

egbrig
03-21-2006, 08:58 PM
Matt,
70% is the general excepted max width, although pure race engines have gone futher with wear rates highly increased. An 83mm bore should have no wider than a 58.1 mm ex. port width. Measured accross the cord.

#ZERO
03-21-2006, 10:00 PM
When grinding the exhaust port with the Race-Logic Sport Port the width comes out to be 67% on the stock 81mm bore. Going wider on the larger bore sizes would probably be the right choice up to 70%, any larger than that would be trouble. An exhaust width of 58.1mm on a 83mm bore equals 70%.

romack991
03-21-2006, 10:36 PM
I'll add my pics of the same sportport template. Cylinder bore is 81.5.

I used an electric die grinder on the exhaust ports and 90° air grinder for the transfers. Used carbide bits lubricated w/ WD40 to keep them from clogging up with AL. Becareful with using stones on aluminum as they will clog up fast.

romack991
03-21-2006, 10:38 PM
last two, exits matched to manifold

Freestyleriverrat
03-22-2006, 01:02 AM
Hey romack991, have you run you ski after doing the porting?

aqua
03-22-2006, 01:08 AM
here are some more pics/ideas or whatever. used the sport port template also but did my own thing on the intake side of the sleeve....ground it off using a drill with stone bit to where the template recommended but instead of cutting notch for boost port i just rounded off the edge of the sleeve. i measured the case and where the rounding off starts is where the sleeve sits beyond the case edge...if that makes sense. i was hoping that this would allow easy flow into the case without shortening the boost port too much. also sharpened transfer bridges and sharpened the bottoms of the sleeves a little bit where the transfer ports run along side. after grinding the exhaust ports down with a dremel i then polished them up. but do not polish the transfers and make sure there are chamfers around the exhaust ports similiar to the chamfers on the other ports...otherwise a ring could catch or cause bad wear.

eel
03-22-2006, 07:01 AM
I'll add my pics. Becareful with using stones on aluminum as they will clog up fast.
Never use a mounted stone on aluminium. Use a burr or abrasives.

romack991
03-22-2006, 07:01 AM
Hey romack991, have you run you ski after doing the porting?

not yet, its still sitting on the bench to be assembled. actually still need to chamfer everything since i got it bored. will be going by april/may.

Matt_E
03-22-2006, 01:40 PM
Now to the transfer ports. As mentioned, the idea is to match the ports in the sleeves to the ports in the casting. You need to be very careful here - don't change the roof angle of the ports, and keep in mind that the roof of those ports is what seperates the inside of the engine from the waterjacket above.
Don't go crazy!
This is really fairly simple, just take your time.

Matt_E
03-22-2006, 01:45 PM
Finally, pictures after boring & honing.

At this point it is very critical to chamfer all the ports! All horizontal edges need a chamfer so as not to catch and/or damage the piston rings. Vertical edges need chamfering as well, but not as much.
Do this right, and take your time! The lifespan of your topend is determined here!

Lastly, some pics of the cylinder installed, with pistons

Matt_E
03-22-2006, 01:57 PM
I did the original port work described in this thread last Summer, and bored up my cylinders to an 82.5mm bore.
In December I seized it - a very dumb mistake on my part experimenting with hand warmers.
Anyhow, I opened up the exhaust ports a bit more at that time.
I also reshaped the walls seperating transfer tunnels, and shortened them a bit as well.
Sleeve removal in that area is optional - I tried it, we'll see where it leads.
The cylinder is now up to an 83mm bore.
I hope to be putting the ski and engine back together before too long and post results.
Overall, the porting was very much worth my while - a big increase in power.
Is it for everyone? No. You should be comfortable taking abrasive power tools to the internals of your engine.
If not, pay a pro.

Next up, some info on case porting.

Freestyleriverrat
03-22-2006, 01:57 PM
Looking good.......man the 61x cylinder is really bad when it comes to the transfer ports matching up. Can you post your jetting specs when done? Nice build up thread.

aqua
03-22-2006, 08:15 PM
Matt....how far do you think you raised your transfer port roofs....was it hard to keep the same angle that was presently there and how close to going through to the water side were you. i know you used a 90 degree attachment to get to them but did you also use a flex shaft. that is the only part i have left to do.....i cleaned them up a bit but being that i was restricted by the dremel tool i couldnt do much to the roofs of the ports. also...how would a handwarmer sieze a cylinder?? thanks for your posts on this subject here and on pwctoday....you were my inspiration man!!! :biggthumpup:

orange flattop freestyler
03-22-2006, 08:39 PM
Excellent thread guys, well done Matt :biggrin:

Shame i never took any pics when i did my cases and built the ramps etc.

Nevermind :biggrin:

Matt_E
03-23-2006, 10:59 AM
Matt....how far do you think you raised your transfer port roofs....was it hard to keep the same angle that was presently there and how close to going through to the water side were you. i know you used a 90 degree attachment to get to them but did you also use a flex shaft. that is the only part i have left to do.....i cleaned them up a bit but being that i was restricted by the dremel tool i couldnt do much to the roofs of the ports. also...how would a handwarmer sieze a cylinder?? thanks for your posts on this subject here and on pwctoday....you were my inspiration man!!! :biggthumpup:


I didn't raise my roofs...simply matched them. I am not sure how close I came to the waterjacket - I didn't go nuts, and so far it's holding together.

As far as the handwarmer....I got in a hurry and didn't go look for a tee like I should have. So, my cooling outlet for the engine became very restricted, because the only outlet was my handlebars (not much flow at all)

That's just like running no cooling at all.:bigeyes:

wildman326
03-23-2006, 09:24 PM
This is a great thread!! Props to you for putting it all on here . . .

I love it!:biggrin:

adet16v
03-24-2006, 01:09 PM
good information, really nice job on the porting

egbrig
03-24-2006, 01:45 PM
Sorry typo. 70% of 83 is 58.1

waxhead
03-24-2006, 04:07 PM
matt i have ultimale solution for your handpole warmer issues

come and live in the gold coast

great work guys

Matt_E
03-24-2006, 05:19 PM
An more immediate solution would be to take my time and not rush. Biggest quality killer ever.

MADMAT
03-24-2006, 09:58 PM
This is a great thread man. I found it searching for a place to ask a question and this looks like the place.

I tore apart my motor today to deal with my epoxy leak. I have a guy that can weld aluminum. Is this my best option?

Or should I grind the old out and put in JBweld or Devcon alumaweld if I can find it?

This is the first time I've ripped it this far down and I was PLEASANTLY SURPRISED to see the monster air in! That explains why it rips so good with my speedwerx dry.

I posted a pic of stock verses mine.

djkorn1
03-25-2006, 03:22 AM
This does not look fun..

Matt_E
03-25-2006, 02:14 PM
This is a great thread man. I found it searching for a place to ask a question and this looks like the place.

I tore apart my motor today to deal with my epoxy leak. I have a guy that can weld aluminum. Is this my best option?

Or should I grind the old out and put in JBweld or Devcon alumaweld if I can find it?

This is the first time I've ripped it this far down and I was PLEASANTLY SURPRISED to see the monster air in! That explains why it rips so good with my speedwerx dry.

I posted a pic of stock verses mine.

Nice....those are pretty wide, should feed good air to the transfers.
I will post some case porting info soon. I am almost done moving.

Matt_E
03-27-2006, 01:11 AM
Here are current pics of my cylinder. Exhausts widened, and bottoms modified. Oh yeah, those ports are not chamfered yet. I haven't touched the cylinder since picking it up from boring, and then I moved.

Idok
03-28-2006, 11:43 AM
Here are current pics of my cylinder. Exhausts widened, and bottoms modified. Oh yeah, those ports are not chamfered yet. I haven't touched the cylinder since picking it up from boring, and then I moved.

here's your handwarmer solution....

wildman326
03-28-2006, 12:01 PM
This year I ran hand warmers and foot warmers. The hand warmers came off the head and the foot warmers came off of the pipe. WOW:bigeyes: Don't run anything that will touch flesh off of the pipe. Anytime I gave it any power it was too much heat. It's warm enough now that I only have the foot warmers (off the head) and they are perfect. Feet never get cold.

BTW I'd run the T so that it splits the line evenly or you might get mor water to one side. Just my 2 cents.

yamaslut
03-28-2006, 12:03 PM
here's your handwarmer solution....

UHHHH... you live in Florida there Scotty... :haha:

Idok
03-28-2006, 12:07 PM
UHHHH... you live in Florida there Scotty... :haha:


**** man, im STILL using a warmer on my roundie as of yesterday!!!!



(and yes, the T has been fixed...)

Matt_E
03-28-2006, 12:26 PM
The handwarmer problem boiled down to lack of flow - it kept the grips warm just fine, but not nearly enough flow for the engine.

Idok
03-28-2006, 12:31 PM
The handwarmer problem boiled down to lack of flow - it kept the grips warm just fine, but not nearly enough flow for the engine.

exactly, use a single tube like I have in the pic above and just aim it so the water shoots whereever you want.....if anything, the water out of my cyl head is TOO COOL

wildman326
03-28-2006, 12:31 PM
What do you mean? Lack of flow?

Matt_E
03-28-2006, 12:36 PM
The only cooling water outlet on my engine was the single head outlet. It went straight into the line to feed my bars - fitting threaded into the bars. My bars have ODI plugs on the end. I had some small holes drilled into the grip areas for outlets. Those were the only outlets.
See the flow problem now? I simply didn't think of it at the time, as I was more worried about getting out there & ride. :rolleyes:

wildman326
03-28-2006, 12:40 PM
YEAH. I see the problem.

Many times in my life the desire to ride overpowered common sense or anything else. Sometimes it was OK and sometimes I blew a motor.

Matt_E
03-28-2006, 12:42 PM
Many times in my life the desire to ride overpowered common sense or anything else. Sometimes it was OK and sometimes I blew a motor.


:biggrin: Classic. So true. :frown: :biggrin:

Mouthfulloflake
03-28-2006, 01:23 PM
I see you have some of that special magic flexible hose like I have on mine.
I cant beleive you did it like that, dont you know all the real men drill and tap their handle bars for the water flow? so it can pressure soak the inside of the on/off switch?

:biggrin:


exactly, use a single tube like I have in the pic above and just aim it so the water shoots whereever you want.....if anything, the water out of my cyl head is TOO COOL

Idok
03-28-2006, 02:36 PM
this is probably the reason that skidaddy smoked his last motor...

Freestyleriverrat
03-28-2006, 03:29 PM
This year I ran hand warmers and foot warmers. The hand warmers came off the head and the foot warmers came off of the pipe. WOW:bigeyes: .

You guys are some troopers :headbang:

Matt_E
03-30-2006, 11:43 PM
Alright....some case porting info.
Please note that I have [limited] experience with 62T cases only. In fact, I am not sure how you would go about porting 61X cases - though I think Keith Head does it. I believe Slymo ran one of his 61X ported cases.

Tools and materials:

Rough grit sandpaper
Metal epoxy (Devcon, and the like)
Grinder, slim profile (Dremel for me)


The important thing first: You'll be porting only the top case half - the 62T part . The bottom part is the 6M6 case half, the same on all 650s, 701s, 760s.

First, you need to clean out all the voids on visible from the top. Clean them with paint thinner, or something - you want the gunk, grease, and chunks out.
Take sandpaper to the inside of the voids where you can, to rough it up.
Once those voids are clean and dry, you need to fill them up with metal epoxy. I used the two parts stuff that comes in sticks from Randy @ Watcon. Great guy, full of information, too.
Stuff it in there good, fill up those voids. Your goal is to fill them up to the top.

The case porting will grind right through some of the case walls. The epoxy keeps everything together - essentially, you're making everything much beefier, so that you can take material away during porting.
Look at the flywheel area - there are a few deep spots in there that need epoxy. Make sure the area is clean, grease-free and dry, then put epoxy on.
Let everything cure, and make sure the top of the case (base gasket mating surface) is smooth and even. Take some sandpaper to it to straighten it out if needed.

Now on to the porting: Basically, you need to grind channels into each top corner of each intake port, for a total of four tunnels. This channels fuel/air mixture right into the transfer ports. So, grind a tunnel from the intake to the transfers - it's not that hard, just look at the pictures for guidance.
Make sure the tunnels are evenly sized.

Next, take some sandpaper and rough up every surface inside the top case that will have fuel/air mix going through it. All of the intake port, the bottom bowls of the transfer ports, etc...(it's a good idea to do this to the transfer tunnels on the cylinder as well)
The rough surface will promote better flow characteristics than the stock smooth surface.

Last thing: Finger filling. Looking at the intake ports of the 62T case, you'll see the infamous fingers. You have two options: Leave them alone, or fill them with epoxy.
If you fill with epoxy, do it like before - sand, clean, degrease, dry, then put epoxy on. The goal is to make the divets in the fingers disappear and to create a smooth top surface at finger top height.
Essentially, this reduces the volume available to air in the intake tract. This leads to higher air velocities through the intake tract. The advantage is better throttle response, as any change in throttle will get to the engine quicker (through higher air speed).
This comes at a significant trade-off. Less volume for intake air/fuel leads to weaker bottom end power. Freestyle case porting often leaves the fingers unported, for this very reason.
That's all I've got.

The first two pics are my cases, the third is Mile's Able stroker from last year, and the last shows what epoxied fingers should look like.

Matt_E
03-30-2006, 11:50 PM
Someone asked me about the rest of my setup, and jetting.

Initially, last summer I ran a Speedwerx Racing dry pipe, VForce 2 reeds, MSD Total Loss (Dual Channel), 190PSI, and a Solas Concord cutback 13/16, and dual 38mm carbs.
It ripped then - it really did. It seems the jetting was 95 gr springs, 75 or 77.5 pilots, and 145 mains.

Later, I switched to a B-Mod. Way better throttle response, but less power throughout.
I have since added dual 44mm carbs (OEM) on a Riva manifold (initially an R&D manifold).
I don't think I have the jetting nailed down yet with that - I only rode a couple of hours with those carbs before winter (and a job in Texas) hit full force.
I even ran a 144mm 12 Vane magnum pump for a weekend, and another weekend I ran 215 psi on Avgas.
Neither one was worth the money on my engine, for various reasons.
I am now back on a stock pump with WW cone and Concord 13/16.
I am excited to get things back together for the season - I have a lot more prep to do before I can paint.
At least I have finally decided on paint - black and copper. I think I'll call it Copperhead. Or how about Copperjet?

waxhead
04-10-2006, 01:12 AM
matt do you know what the port width you ended up in mm is
I just cant see how to get to 58 as the cylinder is really thin on the exhaust port area

Matt_E
04-10-2006, 01:19 AM
I'll measure it. Is the curvature measured, or is it just straight across.

waxhead
04-10-2006, 01:22 AM
its straight across
i am porting my cylinder as we speak

thanks

cambo au
06-12-2006, 05:26 AM
i am running case stuffers on my 62t cases and it looks like it would give the same as to fill in the fingers are you saying that if i pull them out i will get more low end or should i leave them in?

waxhead
06-12-2006, 05:35 AM
No idea cambo
i have never ever tried case stufffers only reed stuffers

Matt_E
06-12-2006, 08:26 AM
I don't know what case stuffers are. If they are easy to pull out, just take the intake manifold off, take them out, and ride without them. That ought to tell you.

cambo au
06-13-2006, 06:45 AM
i will try and take a photo of them my motor is apart at the moment r&d sell them.
are you saying that by filling the fingers in it creates better bottom end or the other way around?

Matt_E
06-13-2006, 08:19 AM
I think what you got are reed stuffers.
For best bottom end, I would leave the fingers alone - or so I've been told. It's been explained to me, and it made sense.


WAX: I noticed I never gave a public answer on port width. I believe my exhausts are 56mm straight across.

Whale
11-17-2006, 07:40 PM
what angle do i grind the port window? Is it from the scribed line to the outer edge of the cylinder sleeve? im using a dremal flexy shaft with sanding drums

Matt_E
11-17-2006, 07:55 PM
I am not sure what you are asking. Are you talking about the exhaust port?

WaveDemon
11-17-2006, 07:58 PM
matt, lets see some pics of your epoxy placement.

Matt_E
11-17-2006, 09:16 PM
??? What epoxy placement? In the cases?

WaveDemon
11-17-2006, 09:27 PM
what voids are you talking about in your write up?

Matt_E
11-17-2006, 10:03 PM
Oh, gotcha. The top case half has voids - the mating surface to the cylinder. I filled all those with epoxy.
It's essential for case porting, because the material removal on the intake tract will leave holes in the case metal. Filling the voids plugs those holes.
Of course, the voids need to be meticulously cleaned and be dry. Then fill with epoxy and let it fully cure. Then cut away.

WaveDemon
11-17-2006, 10:07 PM
gotcha, for some dumb reason I thought water flowed in there. I look in the garage an saw that it doesn't. duh. good to know! I need to port some x cases soon.

Matt_E
11-17-2006, 10:16 PM
I believe the base gasket covers those voids anyhow.

crammit442
11-17-2006, 10:21 PM
If you have much in the way of case porting, you'll need to fill the area behind your stator also. That area gets paper thin when ported. Mine is in the oven curing as we speak.:biggrin:

Charles

Matt_E
11-17-2006, 10:22 PM
Yes.....there's two spots in the flywheel/stator area that need epoxy. I got that covered.
Cleanliness and a bit of sanding will go a long f'n way to ensure the epoxy stays on.

Whale
11-18-2006, 01:05 AM
yer im talking about the exhaust ports just not sure about what angle i should be grinding ?
.

D-Roc
11-18-2006, 09:30 AM
do you fill all the voids or just the ones on the intake side and how did you fill the two bolt holes? did you just put the bolft in covered in grease and turn it out after the epoxy was cured? i am doing mine today.

Matt_E
11-18-2006, 11:35 AM
Yup, I filled all of them.

As for what angle to grind the ports....you shouldn't be touching the port roof or bottom. You grind the sleeve to match the template. Then you angle the bigger opening in the sleeve back towards the casting.
I believe you want at least 1/2 inch long taper - I believe more is better.

crammit442
11-18-2006, 01:02 PM
do you fill all the voids or just the ones on the intake side and how did you fill the two bolt holes? did you just put the bolft in covered in grease and turn it out after the epoxy was cured? i am doing mine today.

Yes. Pull the bolts when epoxy is still green before it fully cures.:smile:

Charles

D-Roc
11-18-2006, 05:16 PM
okay i did the intake side but don't see the point of doing the voids on the opposite side, am i missing something? i do have more jb weld but didn't want to waste it on voids that don't need it.

Matt_E
11-18-2006, 05:33 PM
That's fine.

Whale
11-19-2006, 04:13 AM
Ok ive just had a closer look at your pics form earlier in the thread and it looks like im on the right track. so you pretty much leave the top and bottom of the ports flat but tidy them up a bit.

thanks for the time you put into this thread:arms:

mikey23
09-26-2008, 02:30 AM
Alright....some case porting info.
Please note that I have [limited] experience with 62T cases only. In fact, I am not sure how you would go about porting 61X cases - though I think Keith Head does it. I believe Slymo ran one of his 61X ported cases.

Tools and materials:

Rough grit sandpaper
Metal epoxy (Devcon, and the like)
Grinder, slim profile (Dremel for me)


The important thing first: You'll be porting only the top case half - the 62T part . The bottom part is the 6M6 case half, the same on all 650s, 701s, 760s.

First, you need to clean out all the voids on visible from the top. Clean them with paint thinner, or something - you want the gunk, grease, and chunks out.
Take sandpaper to the inside of the voids where you can, to rough it up.
Once those voids are clean and dry, you need to fill them up with metal epoxy. I used the two parts stuff that comes in sticks from Randy @ Watcon. Great guy, full of information, too.
Stuff it in there good, fill up those voids. Your goal is to fill them up to the top.

The case porting will grind right through some of the case walls. The epoxy keeps everything together - essentially, you're making everything much beefier, so that you can take material away during porting.
Look at the flywheel area - there are a few deep spots in there that need epoxy. Make sure the area is clean, grease-free and dry, then put epoxy on.
Let everything cure, and make sure the top of the case (base gasket mating surface) is smooth and even. Take some sandpaper to it to straighten it out if needed.

Now on to the porting: Basically, you need to grind channels into each top corner of each intake port, for a total of four tunnels. This channels fuel/air mixture right into the transfer ports. So, grind a tunnel from the intake to the transfers - it's not that hard, just look at the pictures for guidance.
Make sure the tunnels are evenly sized.



Next, take some sandpaper and rough up every surface inside the top case that will have fuel/air mix going through it. All of the intake port, the bottom bowls of the transfer ports, etc...(it's a good idea to do this to the transfer tunnels on the cylinder as well)
The rough surface will promote better flow characteristics than the stock smooth surface.

Last thing: Finger filling. Looking at the intake ports of the 62T case, you'll see the infamous fingers. You have two options: Leave them alone, or fill them with epoxy.
If you fill with epoxy, do it like before - sand, clean, degrease, dry, then put epoxy on. The goal is to make the divets in the fingers disappear and to create a smooth top surface at finger top height.
Essentially, this reduces the volume available to air in the intake tract. This leads to higher air velocities through the intake tract. The advantage is better throttle response, as any change in throttle will get to the engine quicker (through higher air speed).
This comes at a significant trade-off. Less volume for intake air/fuel leads to weaker bottom end power. Freestyle case porting often leaves the fingers unported, for this very reason.
That's all I've got.

The first two pics are my cases, the third is Mile's Able stroker from last year, and the last shows what epoxied fingers should look like.

How can the fuel/air mixture get in to the transfer ports when de piston is going up and closes the transferports ????

jetski9010
09-08-2009, 08:51 PM
Is this the same idea when porting a 650 cylinder?