Wamiltons shipping is outrageous (edited)

[Tuttle]

Bought the Wamiltons freestyle Vol 1 the first day I believe it came out.

Ordered it straight off his site. Didn't say how much shipping was.

Charged $9.95 to ship a DVD from Palm Beach to Orlando. That's really sticking it to the people that keep you in business. UNCOOL!!!

I can guarantee I will never do business on his site again.

I could understand it being some Fleabay scumbag but someone that knows that almost 99% of those will be sold to riders is wrong. I understand the $22.95 plus tax but another $9.95 for a $3.00 shipping...classless!
:bs2:

[FLY6584]

Bought the Wamiltons freestyle Vol 1 the first day I believe it came out.

Ordered it straight off his site. Didn't say how much shipping was.

Charged $9.95 to ship a DVD from Palm Beach to Orlando. That's really sticking it to the people that keep you in business. UNCOOL!!!

I can guarantee I will never do business on his site again.

I could understand it being some Fleabay scumbag but someone that knows that almost 99% of those will be sold to riders is wrong. I understand the $22.95 plus tax but another $9.95 for a $3.00 shipping...classless!
:bs2:

I really like Wamilton and I think he has some great products, but I had the same experience with shipping from him.

He charged me $16 to ship a set of hoodstraps from West Palm Beach, FL to Clearwater, FL.:bigeyes: :banghead: It wasn't even in a box. It was in an envelope.

I asked him about it and he said it was because of oil prices and that all shipping prices had gone up, but it's funny cuz I shipped out many things around that same time and it didn't cost that much. I think I shipped a handlepole all the way out to Washington for like $25.

[FLY6584]

Hey Mike on a side note I would edit your thread title. That seems a little unprofessional and I don't think you should call him a tool. He definitely needs to rethink his shipping costs though.

Maybe say something like: "Wamiltons: Overpriced Shipping"

[MADMAT]

17 bones for hood straps from FL to FL!?!

That is bad!

10 bones for a DVD is bad too.

[FLY6584]

I know I should keep my mouth shut, but I really would have liked to see Wamilton give that Novi Carb to someone who needed it. Don't get me wrong he bought raffle tickets and won the carb fair and square so it was definitely his to keep, BUT if he would have given that to one of the young riders who was just getting into the sport he would have earned a ton of respect from me.

Wasn't that his black BMW M6 that was on the beach? :biggrin: Nice car.

[Tuttle]

Hey Mike on a side note I would edit your thread title. That seems a little unprofessional and I don't think you should call him a tool. He definitely needs to rethink his shipping costs though.

Maybe say something like: "Wamiltons: Overpriced Shipping"

I kinda agree with you, that is a bit unprofessional of me but I actually have a few other complaints with his general character. I think the guy is totally in this for the $$$ and doesn’t care about the riders unless they are awesome and wearing his name. He wasn't even coming to the freeride until he was told Sat morn how many people were already there. Pulls up with his whole entourage and proceeds to build a rather large canopy dead smack in front of the hotel and took the carb that he won. ( I know he bought tickets)
that makes him a tool in my book. sorry

I love his products but will never buy direct from him again.

[CoreyLKN]

Ok so i have had a problem with wammer and shipping too. Order my movies on the 3rd. Recieve an invoice on the 10th that says they shipped out USPS. Yesterday got an email saying that a wamiltons package shipped out UPS yesterday and will be here the 17th. WTF? So still no movies. They better be here on the 17th.

[Sanford]

Wasn't that his black BMW M6 that was on the beach? :biggrin: Nice car.No. He drove the plain gray Dodge truck with a dented front bumper. That +$100K M6 belongs to the GF of that guy selling those motorized skateboards. I want a sugar mama!!!

He wasn't even coming to the freeride until he was told Sat morn how many people were already there.I had talked to him several weeks before the event. He had plans well before Saturday to be there.

As for the shipping issue, yeah, that would really bother me too. However, I would never order anything online if it doesn't show my shipping cost BEFORE I enter CC number or anything. If that happens I call them on phone or move on to the next company that has a better shopping cart setup.

[FLY6584]

No. He drove the plain gray Dodge truck with a dented front bumper. That +$100K M6 belongs to the GF of that guy selling those motorized skateboards. I want a sugar mama!!!


My bad. Very nice car though. I want one.:biggthumpup:

[T-bone]

I really like Wamilton and I think he has some great products, but I had the same experience with shipping from him.

He charged me $16 to ship a set of hoodstraps from West Palm Beach, FL to Clearwater, FL.:bigeyes: :banghead: It wasn't even in a box. It was in an envelope.

I asked him about it and he said it was because of oil prices and that all shipping prices had gone up, but it's funny cuz I shipped out many things around that same time and it didn't cost that much. I think I shipped a handlepole all the way out to Washington for like $25.


so now that oil prices have gone done does he charge less........BS...fuel sir-charges wernt very much...

[Big Kahuna]

has nobody ever heard of shipping and handling?????

Blowsion does not ship anything out for less than 8.00........ does not matter what the size is.......... He could send it USPS and it get lost...........

[RonnyMac]

I'd say between what Wammer gave away and bought in tickets he could have bought 2 Novi's. He usually throws in the crowed what he wins. He will most likely give the carb to someone as well. Even if he keeps it for himself, its his to do what he wishes and no one should give him a bit of crap for it. He gave more to this ride and the charity than 99% of you!

[norcal ex]

i dont care to do any business with wamilton. he is the VERY last place i go when i need somehting. and i must REALLY NEED it to buy it from him. he lost all respect from me from his cockyness!

[Tuttle]

I had talked to him several weeks before the event. He had plans well before Saturday to be there.

Well I was standing right next to him when he arrived Sat afternoon and overheard him telling someone that he wasn't going to be there until he got a call saying "there was an unbelievable amount of people there"



has nobody ever heard of shipping and handling?????

Blowsion does not ship anything out for less than 8.00........ does not matter what the size is.......... He could send it USPS and it get lost...........

I have the package still and it was shipped USPS for a total of $4.05. Gimme a break "handling". Like I said I would expect it from Ebay but not from a company with the roots planted like Wamiltons.


I'd say between what Wammer gave away and bought in tickets he could have bought 2 Novi's. He usually throws in the crowed what he wins. He will most likely give the carb to someone as well. Even if he keeps it for himself, its his to do what he wishes and no one should give him a bit of crap for it. He gave more to this ride and the charity than 99% of you!


I'm not knocking him keeping what he won!!! I doubt he will "give" it to someone unless it's Stoyer or such, I do believe he will put it on a ski that he is selling. And I believe he should one to give more to the ride and charity for the simple fact that it's the people at the ride that support his livelihood.
I spent $500 on tickets and another $450 on the WF hood and nosepiece ( Awesome ). I even lost one of my WaterDawg tickets just before the raffle and wasn't overly upset.


he lost all respect from me from his cockyness!

:biggthumpup:


BTW the video is pretty good but the quality of sound needs alot of work.

[Big Kahuna]

You own a business. Say your average cost of labor runs you about $40.00 per hour. If it takes 15 minutes to recieve the order, go pick it up off the shelf, get a box or envelope. Print or hand write the label, Fill out the shipping info. Call UPS (if they are picking up). It just cost you $10.00 in Man Labor Hours. So, lets say UPS charged him $8.00 in actuall shipping, or heck, the $9.00 +/- that Wam actually charged. That is a total of $18.00 in actual shipping and handling. But Wam only charge you $9.00 and may have actually eaten the time that he spent packaging it up and getting it shipped out. Just how much do you think he has to pay for these Video's vs. what he actually makes off them??? Not very much.

[Big Kahuna]

Remember all the threads about blowsion years back.......... same thing......... High priced shipping.

[Starvin48]

Basically it's not good business to have a "surprise" charge, even if it's a buck. That would make me not do business with someone if it happened to me.

[Idok]

Remember all the threads about blowsion years back.......... same thing......... High priced shipping.


true......but in 2 of these cases..it woudl cost less than 9bucks in fuel to drive and pick it up yourself!

[sjetrider]

You own a business. Say your average cost of labor runs you about $40.00 per hour. If it takes 15 minutes to recieve the order, go pick it up off the shelf, get a box or envelope. Print or hand write the label, Fill out the shipping info. Call UPS (if they are picking up). It just cost you $10.00 in Man Labor Hours. So, lets say UPS charged him $8.00 in actuall shipping, or heck, the $9.00 +/- that Wam actually charged. That is a total of $18.00 in actual shipping and handling. But Wam only charge you $9.00 and may have actually eaten the time that he spent packaging it up and getting it shipped out. Just how much do you think he has to pay for these Video's vs. what he actually makes off them??? Not very much.

:bs2:
Price your product accordingly plus actual frt.. No hidden costs is the only legit way to do bus.. He entered his CC # because he felt Wamilton's rep. was good enough to TRUST (he now knows different). But because of this thread I will not buy from him unless I call him. He just added extra labor and costs to his bus..
If he doubles the frt. for handling then put that on your checkout form, otherwise you are ripping people off.

Respectfully
Brian

[Big Kahuna]

You walk into a shop, they have a Hood and Pole for sale........ Price $ 800.00 for the Hood and $500.00 for the pole........... you pay it............. you just got charged "Shipping" on something that you picked up......

I agree, there should not be any hidden cost... Most online shopping carts will show you what the shipping is, even give you options on how to ship......

[michael950]

Perhaps he meant that the labor charges for handling the product should be included in the product price. So a counter sale and internet sale still has the handling costs associated with the purchase in addition to direct costs and other indirect costs.

You add a buck or two to shipping to cover the cost of materials, unless you reuse boxes like many many other retailers do.

USPS Priority 4.50 - no materials fee
UPS/FedEx, within the state of FL should not exceed 9.00. Especially an envelope.

[FLY6584]

Perhaps he meant that the labor charges for handling the product should be included in the product price. So a counter sale and internet sale still has the handling costs associated with the purchase in addition to direct costs and other indirect costs.

You add a buck or two to shipping to cover the cost of materials, unless you reuse boxes like many many other retailers do.

USPS Priority 4.50 - no materials fee
UPS/FedEx, within the state of FL should not exceed 9.00. Especially an envelope.

Maybe I should clear up that it was one of those bigger padded manila envelopes:biggrin: , but it was still just 2 bungee cords and a couple nuts and bolts. I also ordered it over the phone so I knew how much the shipping price was a head of time. He did not try to "pull one by me". I just really needed the straps for when I got back in town from college for the weekend and didn't feel like having to deal with making my own(Still had it sent ground though).

Wammer is a really nice guy and I will do business with him again, but he seriously needs to rethink his shipping prices. I know what some of you are saying about the "handling", but you would think thats worked into the price of the product. I'm not trying to bash Wamilton, but his prices aren't the best either. I mean $375 for an ADA Girdled Head seems pretty high to me. You can get them direct from ADA for $349 and from most of the parts dealers on this site for $325. In my opinion he has definitely worked in the "handling" fees into the prices of his products. Just my opinion though.

Once again I think Wammer is a great guy who has definitely done more for this sport than I have, but I just hate to see someone trying to make so much money off of shipping. My .02.


P.S. On a positive note his hoodstraps and shortened turn plate are awesome. I'll give them 2 thumbs up.:biggthumpup: :biggthumpup: The bungees really hold the hood on tight and the shortened turn plate is great because it accepts straight bars or 0Deg bars and still is the same price as the rest of them out there($49).

[douglee25]

I believe last summer when I parted out a square nose, a single 1 lb. package was a minimum of $6 bucks through UPS. A minimum! From what I recall, average cost was around $9 - $15 for most parts (small items anyway). The other thing too is that your shipping cost also includes insurance up to $100 through UPS.

Doug

[meatball]

i dont care to do any business with wamilton. he is the VERY last place i go when i need somehting. and i must REALLY NEED it to buy it from him. he lost all respect from me from his cockyness!

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[thegoldenboy]

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[waterfreak]

I have ordered parts (set of pistons) from Riva before , which is about 20 minutes away, and was charged $8.50 for shipping. Such is the cost of not getting in my truck and driving there!!!

kingtut, you scored a sweet deal on that WF hood and nose piece...!

[feartheride]

Wammer told me he gave the carb back so who got it

[FLY6584]

Wammer told me he gave the carb back so who got it

Very cool. I HIGHLY respect that. Nice job Wammer.:biggthumpup:

[Tuttle]

kingtut, you scored a sweet deal on that WF hood and nose piece...!

I agree!!! They are super sweet.

[sclevela]

dont confuse shipping with handling......... u can NEVER add money for any reason and call it a "shipping charge" ........ u can add money and call it handling....... but i dont think that sounds like the issue here i think the issue here sounds more like the "after the fact costs" now i personally have never bought any jet ski anything online from anyone so i dont know who does what....... but i will say if someone were to not show shipping and handling charges till after the credit card has been charged then that would be borderline criminal........ i cant see how its allowable by law if thats whats really goin on

[needaride701]

wamiltons is cool in my book! I ordered a turn plate on thursday and it got to my house in CALI today on saturday ( 2days ). it cost 10 bucks but whatever it was worth it!

[FLY6584]

wamiltons is cool in my book! I ordered a turn plate on thursday and it got to my house in CALI today on saturday ( 2days ). it cost 10 bucks but whatever it was worth it!

Thats actually a really good price for shipping out to Califronia especially if it only took 2 days. :biggthumpup:

[hangtime]

Wammer told me he gave the carb back so who got it



Nobody got it at the auction I know that much.I was there for the whole thing and no carb was given away after the Novi that Wammer won

[ColdFusion]

You own a business. Say your average cost of labor runs you about $40.00 per hour. If it takes 15 minutes to recieve the order, go pick it up off the shelf, get a box or envelope. Print or hand write the label, Fill out the shipping info. Call UPS (if they are picking up). It just cost you $10.00 in Man Labor Hours. So, lets say UPS charged him $8.00 in actuall shipping, or heck, the $9.00 +/- that Wam actually charged. That is a total of $18.00 in actual shipping and handling. But Wam only charge you $9.00 and may have actually eaten the time that he spent packaging it up and getting it shipped out. Just how much do you think he has to pay for these Video's vs. what he actually makes off them??? Not very much.

If anyone uses $40/hr labour to ship items they are complete and utter fools....you hire students for min wage to do that stuff.

Even at that....shipping items must be a HUGE part of any ski part manufacturer....it's part of the cost of doing business. Sometimes you eat a portion of those costs to stay ahead.....and don't even try and dsay there isn't enough markup on the items to ensure profit already!!

Try living in Canada and getting hit with duty and an extra flipping brockerage fee on top of the shipping and handling and currency conversion. Trust me I know about shipping costs and get beaten over the head with EVERY part I order.

Cheers

Cheers

[superjet0587]

:arms: you got a hood wf hood and nose piece for 450????

[Tuttle]

:arms: you got a hood wf hood and nose piece for 450????

Yes I did. What a friggen steal. Super nice quality!!! I have never seen a WF hood with 4 hand holds. I didn't plan on bidding on it but when the max bid was only $410 I thought I would get it for a friend that wasn't at the ride (car accident). Now he doesn't have money to pay me for it so I am going to try and work out a trade to get a Blowsion trim system for it.

I have a Wammer 2 hold hood on my ski and wish I could put this one on. It wouldn't be worth it to me cause my ski is black and has a graphics kit. This hood is white (I know I can paint it).

Plus it was for a great cause. My hat goes off to all the people that donated items for the raffles and also to all the people that helped raise the $13,500. :biggthumpup:

[toofastkx]

nothing wrong with with a little extra handling charge. It's the no discont for two or more items that pisses me off.

Im talking about each shipped item is a minimum $8 per small item and no discount for the second and more items purchases. Like 4 small items bought with a cost of $32 in shipping. that sucks. When it only cost $8 bucks to ship.

I refuse to do business with companies like this. But too make a little extra on handling is not that bad. Gouging sucks.

[CJSXR800]

I've been on this site many times and after read'n these posts i'd thought i'd log on and give you my 2 cents... Just picked up a hull off Wamiltons, a used kawasaki hull and needed him to put it in a crate and ship it. I was told $400 US to put it in crate, I had set up the shipping company to come to his door and pick it up all that was needed was to put it in a crate...
Now I work at a SeaDoo dearship in Ontario and from time to time we have to ship units back to BRP or have customers that need us to crate their ski and I can tell you that we could never getaway with charging that much! We have an $89/hour shop rate and if are yard kid counldn't put a 8' x 3' x 3' wood "box" together in under an hour i would be SHOCKED and you should see him! So add in the price of wood and what $150-200 and thats Canadian! I think its nuts to charge that much, what do you guys think?

I ended up get'n the truck company to pick it up "asis" on a skid...

[FLY6584]

I've been on this site many times and after read'n these posts i'd thought i'd log on and give you my 2 cents... Just picked up a hull off Wamiltons, a used kawasaki hull and needed him to put it in a crate and ship it. I was told $400 US to put it in crate, I had set up the shipping company to come to his door and pick it up all that was needed was to put it in a crate...
Now I work at a SeaDoo dearship in Ontario and from time to time we have to ship units back to BRP or have customers that need us to crate their ski and I can tell you that we could never getaway with charging that much! We have an $89/hour shop rate and if are yard kid counldn't put a 8' x 3' x 3' wood "box" together in under an hour i would be SHOCKED and you should see him! So add in the price of wood and what $150-200 and thats Canadian! I think its nuts to charge that much, what do you guys think?

I ended up get'n the truck company to pick it up "asis" on a skid...

You mean it was going to cost you $400 to crate the ski on top of the shipping cost?:bigeyes:

[CJSXR800]

YES!! They wanted $400 to put a stand-up in a crate... That is on top of what I paid for the hull, and I made all the shipping arrangements. The truck showed up at their back door... It is F__KED???

[waterfreak]

I ususally charge about $175 to build a crate for a customer. Although, it does take me about 2 /1/2 hrs

[CJSXR800]

Ya $175... $200 or even $250 for a really good one with a $$$ ski in it... Its not the hardest thing in the world to do... Wood in FLA must be big $$$?

[Tuttle]

I ususally charge about $175 to build a crate for a customer. Although, it does take me about 2 /1/2 hrs


Prolly cause your a person that puts the profit into the price of your products and not into shipping. And because you have class :biggthumpup:

[sflsurfrider]

Prolly cause your a person that puts the profit into the price of your products and not into shipping. And because you have class :biggthumpup:


:haha:






:sneaky:

[waterfreak]

:booty: :hitwithrock: :AR15firing: :twak: :tomato:
:haha:






:sneaky:

[Legdrag's]

Wood in FLA isn't cheep. I remember just the cost of Wamilton's Crates (material only) was about $170 at one time. That's was very little scrap too. Wamilton built some nice crates too. Too nice sometimes. Maybe you got one of those?

[CJSXR800]

Well the ski showed up yesterday and they did a great job wrapping it with bubble wrap but forgot one thing... tie the thing down to the pallet!:irked:
I just don't get it... not the way to win over a customer...

[FLY6584]

Well the ski showed up yesterday and they did a great job wrapping it with bubble wrap but forgot one thing... tie the thing down to the pallet!:irked:
I just don't get it... not the way to win over a customer...

Did anything happen to the ski though?

[CJSXR800]

Don't know... I never saw the ski before it left their shop. It has a few marks in the bottom of the hull and the rubrail has been hit but it's not a big deal... It's just sad because the first shipping company I had went to their place to pick up the ski and when they saw the was it was packaged they didn't want to take it. So i had to get a different company to do it and it ended up costing me double! Now that I saw how it was packed I know why the first company said NO

[hangtime]

Not cool at all .I know who not to buy a ski from if you have to ship it.

I've dealt with Wammer a few times for small parts and he always took care of me but not attaching a ski to the crate is unacceptable IMO.

[Big Kahuna]

if the crate is made where the hull cannot move, then it would be ok....... I would prefer it to be strapped.

[CJSXR800]

I didn't want to pay the $400 for the crate so they offered me a 4' x 4' flat crate for $50... I thought that included the straps... guess I was wrong?

[jetskiking]

I would agree that the $18.00 for hood straps is insane. I can totally understand having a minimum shipping cost like blowsion does but to charge that much for handling is a joke. If most of your business is mail order then it needs to built into the cost. I have never had any problems with wamiltons but I will be sure to call and get the shipping cost before I order again. When I order from someplace that has minimum shipping like blowsion I make sure to order enough to offset the cost.I would say that the shipping needs to be disclosed. This is part of the reason I dont buy from Riva because they cant seam tell you what shipping is when you call. Not that they have ripped me off, I just like to know all the cost up front. Like I have said before. All jetski companies have poor customer service. These people are gearheads not business men. If you name a company I bet I could tell you or pull up a horror story about them.

[botizzle]

I dont know about the shipping gougings, but I think it is strange that I can order stuff from Blowsion and get my parts in seven days ground from the west coast but Ive been waiting over 10 days now from wammer and he is one state over. No info, no tracking #, no nothing. It's not hard to inform your customers if there is a problem.

[Tuttle]

I dont know about the shipping gougings, but I think it is strange that I can order stuff from Blowsion and get my parts in seven days ground from the west coast but Ive been waiting over 10 days now from wammer and he is one state over. No info, no tracking #, no nothing. It's not hard to inform your customers if there is a problem.

I actually like how you can register and log on his website to order. Then when you wanna go back and see when you ordered, I can't seem to be able to pull up "my account". :frown:

[Goatboy]

The bloke is a complete tool, if i ever travel to America he will be getting a bunch of fives. I ordered about $1500 worth of stuff off him. He takes the money from my bank account on the day i placed the order but due to a water box not been in stock he does not send my goods till a month later. Now i understand that stuff often goes on back order, but the clown had the cheek to take my money before shipping, thats a months interest in his fat bank account and not mine.
The blokes a clown shoe, plus he needs to speak the queens english and loose his accent cos i have no idea what he says on the phone!

[douglee25]

The bloke is a complete tool, if i ever travel to America he will be getting a bunch of fives. I ordered about $1500 worth of stuff off him. He takes the money from my bank account on the day i placed the order but due to a water box not been in stock he does not send my goods till a month later. Now i understand that stuff often goes on back order, but the clown had the cheek to take my money before shipping, thats a months interest in his fat bank account and not mine.
The blokes a clown shoe, plus he needs to speak the queens english and loose his accent cos i have no idea what he says on the phone!

:cool2: :haha: :haha:

[Big Kahuna]

The bloke is a complete tool, if i ever travel to America he will be getting a bunch of fives. I ordered about $1500 worth of stuff off him. He takes the money from my bank account on the day i placed the order but due to a water box not been in stock he does not send my goods till a month later. Now i understand that stuff often goes on back order, but the clown had the cheek to take my money before shipping, thats a months interest in his fat bank account and not mine.
The blokes a clown shoe, plus he needs to speak the queens english and loose his accent cos i have no idea what he says on the phone!


He is from Brazil, spanish/portaguese sp! accent.........

[2XLR8]

What about when his suppliers charge him more for shipping? Should he complain about them in this site about them as well? Bottom line time is money and if it takes 15 minutes to take the order and do the paperwork and ship it not counting going to pick up supplies thats 16.00 at 65.00 an hour . We must ask ourselves how much does our boss make on 15 minutes of our time not how much we make in 15 minutes. His monthly business expense can't be cheap. I don't think he goes to the bank every time he sells a video.

[Big Kahuna]

The bloke is a complete tool, if i ever travel to America he will be getting a bunch of fives. I ordered about $1500 worth of stuff off him. He takes the money from my bank account on the day i placed the order but due to a water box not been in stock he does not send my goods till a month later. Now i understand that stuff often goes on back order, but the clown had the cheek to take my money before shipping, thats a months interest in his fat bank account and not mine.
The blokes a clown shoe, plus he needs to speak the queens english and loose his accent cos i have no idea what he says on the phone!

If Wamilton was willing to ship a partial order, would you be willing to pay the additional shipping for an out of stock item or wait and have it shipped at one time which would be much cheaper, especially since it is going across the big pond??

[Goatboy]

Err your missing the point, read what I have wrote. I am moaning about the fact that he took the money from my account 1 month before sending me the goods. he should take it out on the day of shipping. I had no problem in waiting..... and is not about if he is willing to ship a partial order, if i want to pay for that then yes he should he should do as i instruct and the end of the day he is running a business. But he had no right to take money from my account before shipping the order.

[Tuttle]

Err your missing the point, read what I have wrote. I am moaning about the fact that he took the money from my account 1 month before sending me the goods. he should take it out on the day of shipping. I had no problem in waiting..... and is not about if he is willing to ship a partial order, if i want to pay for that then yes he should he should do as i instruct and the end of the day he is running a business. But he had no right to take money from my account before shipping the order.

I do agree! IMO You should have been notified if you order was on backorder or just not in stock. I believe if you call and speak Portuguese (Wam's native language) then I do believe pricing and ethics are quite a bit different. Easiest thing to do is just take it as a lesson and don’t ever order from him again. I won’t!!! :biggthumpup:

[Big Kahuna]

well, ask this, what would happen if he waited 1 month then pulled the money and you had spent more than you had ment to and did not have enough money to cover the order, one, you would be overdrawn and charged for insuffecient funds or you can look at it as well, its paid for.... I think the big issue is that he did supply you with everything you ordered, granted it a month later. What is the difference? you were willing to pay when you ordered...... I would have liked some communication saying "Hey, item back ordered, I will ship everything when it gets here......." I am not saying you dont have a legitimate gripe............

[sea-dude]

Prolly cause your a person that puts the profit into the price of your products and not into shipping. And because you have class :biggthumpup::bs2:


Ok, so I own a Kitchen Cabinet Business and my shipping charges are very large.
Look at these examples of why shipping and handling needs to be marked up.

I want to make 25% profit margin on all items sold

1. Cabinets cost $5,000.00 Sell for $6,666.67 = 25%
Shipping cost $500.00 sell for $500.00
Total cost $5,500.00 Total sale $7,166.67 now my margin is only 23.256%

2. Cabinets cost $5,000.00 Sell for $6,666.67 = 25%
Shipping cost $500.00 sell for 666.67
Total cost $5,500.00 Total sale $7,334.34 now my margin is 25%


Freight is part of your product cost and needs to marked up or margins will erode.

Just my .02 worth or .0267 with margin

[Big Kahuna]

good example....... We do the same thing with our markup on flooring.....

[Tuttle]

well, ask this, what would happen if he waited 1 month then pulled the money and you had spent more than you had ment to and did not have enough money to cover the order, one, you would be overdrawn and charged for insuffecient funds


Now that is something that I would also expect Wammer to do. If he didn't charge until the items were in stock, I could see him just putting the charge through without a call or e-mail. IMO is BS! His business isn't getting 1000 orders a day and would be fairly easy to treat anyone doing business with him with dignity and respect, meaning a phone call or e-mail. I think charging him when the item is not in stock is ok, as long as the buyer is knows it. When I ordered a ski to be built I paid 10k without the builder even knowing when the stock ski would be available to start work on. I figure Wammer feels he has close to a monopoly on aftermarket products and does tons of bus overseas that he doesn't care if he shafts people. This is my opinion after talking with him on the phone 3 times and 3 e-mails. Good to see others getting into the business and competing for customers. With practices like his I'm sure some others might just put a little dent in his profit margin. :biggthumpup:

[Tuttle]

good example....... We do the same thing with our markup on flooring.....

Yeah you build it into the price :biggthumpup:

[2XLR8]

How many times doe this happen? Customer orders parts today he has the money now but his card wont be charged untill the parts are shipped like most customers want. when part shows up the card wont go through even after 3 days of trying and calling the customer who has caller ID and wont take the call and now does not want the part. I think what needs to be done if part is not available for weeks then a deposit should be taken at time of order with the remainder at shipping time.
I ordered a camera from a mail order house they told me in order to get the advertised price they would charge my card in five minutes and I had to wait two weeks before they shipped my camera. Now thats running a business with other peoples money.

[Tuttle]

How many times doe this happen? Customer orders parts today he has the money now but his card wont be charged untill the parts are shipped like most customers want. when part shows up the card wont go through even after 3 days of trying and calling the customer who has caller ID and wont take the call and now does not want the part. I think what needs to be done if part is not available for weeks then a deposit should be taken at time of order with the remainder at shipping time.
I ordered a camera from a mail order house they told me in order to get the advertised price they would charge my card in five minutes and I had to wait two weeks before they shipped my camera. Now thats running a business with other peoples money.


Once again I agree. If you order something and the company has to pay money to order it elsewhere then I feel the customer should pay up front.
The bottom line is "they told you" that they were going to charge you up front.

[Goatboy]

No, its wrong they should not be taking money from my account until they send the order, yes take a deposit, but not the full amount. I have to pay interest on the money he took off my credit card, so I would prefer to keep the money in my account and not his until the order is shipped.

In fact now I think about it more, the more im getting angry at the little clown shoe. Not once was I told that the waterbox was on back order, not until I phoned him 3 weeks later, he offered me no apology, he just brushed it off saying it would be there in a week. 2 weeks later still no goods. He does not even have the decency to let me know, whats happening with my order. All it takes is an email to let me know the score. That’s very bad customer service and it has lost him a customer.

[sea-dude]

Yeah you build it into the price :biggthumpup:


Not me, it's a line item on the customers invoice.

[hangtime]

Lets get real here for a minute. :rolleyes:
If your in the business of shipping stuff all the time it takes 5 minutes to pack an item .You print a label and because you already have boxes and tape and bubble wrap or packing foam you put said item into box and fill with foam and tape stick on the label and your done .Even at $65 an hour that's $5 and some change more than actual shipping charges but so far everyting I've heard about Wammer is that he over charges for shipping ,but so doesn't Blowsion who charged a friend of mine $12 to ship a JK T shirt .

I've sold lots and lots of stuff on Ebay and here and PWC and it takes 5 minutes to pack an item unless it's crate a ski or a triple pipe box maybe a handlepole takes a few minutes longer but it shouldn't since shipping stuff is the norm and not too many people walk in and buy stuff to carry out .

HE SHOULD BE MORE HONEST AND COMMUNICATE BECAUSE
COMMUNICATION IS THE KEY TO SUCCESS:biggthumpup:

[lmi-step]

They are just trying to make more money on the shipping… $1.50 is enough for handling fee!!! All the shops have special prices if they ship with UPS or FedEx.
:banghead:

[norcal ex]

:bs2:


Ok, so I own a Kitchen Cabinet Business and my shipping charges are very large.
Look at these examples of why shipping and handling needs to be marked up.

I want to make 25% profit margin on all items sold

1. Cabinets cost $5,000.00 Sell for $6,666.67 = 25%
Shipping cost $500.00 sell for $500.00
Total cost $5,500.00 Total sale $7,166.67 now my margin is only 23.256%

2. Cabinets cost $5,000.00 Sell for $6,666.67 = 25%
Shipping cost $500.00 sell for 666.67
Total cost $5,500.00 Total sale $7,334.34 now my margin is 25%


Freight is part of your product cost and needs to marked up or margins will erode.

Just my .02 worth or .0267 with margin

I understand this concept, but that is totally different than taking 2 minutes to throw something in a box and ship it. he is doing somehting illegal, he is advertising his products at a low price (or same as others) but he is making more money because he charges so much for shipping. If people knew that his shipping was so high they would no be doing business with him! FALSE ADVERTISING!

[squid98]

no one needs to be thrown under the bus for a lousy ten bucks in shipping - especially Wamiltion himself.....dude, did you ever think of picking up the phone and calling Wammer or Rod and asking them about the shipping and any other possibilities...especially since you are only in Orlando, and uh, pretty much everything you buy online these days seems to cost $9.95 in shipping...don't blame wamilton's for that, take that up with UPS - the Wammer is NOT making money on shipping...he is one of the most chill, honest, and welcoming guys we have left in this niche fraternity of ours and I cannot stand to let him get thrown under the bus?!?!?!?! gents, we certainly have more important things to prioritze on our agendas then this - like continuing to fight and pray for Joe......and last I checked, the Caker could use a prayer too for some slightly roughed-up vertebrae....and there is that other issue in Jersey of lies, smoke and mirrors - anyway, the Wammer is not deserving of such criticism - this is a guy who opens his shop-door to everyone.

[Tuttle]

no one needs to be thrown under the bus for a lousy ten bucks in shipping - especially Wamiltion himself.....dude, did you ever think of picking up the phone and calling Wammer or Rod and asking them about the shipping and any other possibilities...especially since you are only in Orlando, and uh, pretty much everything you buy online these days seems to cost $9.95 in shipping...don't blame wamilton's for that, take that up with UPS - the Wammer is NOT making money on shipping...he is one of the most chill, honest, and welcoming guys we have left in this niche fraternity of ours and I cannot stand to let him get thrown under the bus?!?!?!?! gents, we certainly have more important things to prioritze on our agendas then this - like continuing to fight and pray for Joe......and last I checked, the Caker could use a prayer too for some slightly roughed-up vertebrae....and there is that other issue in Jersey of lies, smoke and mirrors - anyway, the Wammer is not deserving of such criticism - this is a guy who opens his shop-door to everyone.

:haha: :haha: :haha: :bs2: :bs2:

[/QUOTE]and there is that other issue in Jersey of lies, smoke and mirrors - anyway[/QUOTE] And what are you trying to say here?

[Thajeffski]

How do u figure he's not making money on shipping if he charges 9.95 and the box says it cost 4.50 to ship?

[hangtime]

How do u figure he's not making money on shipping if he charges 9.95 and the box says it cost 4.50 to ship?



It doesn't say the price on it when you ship UPS .:biggthumpup:

[Thajeffski]

It doesn't say the price on it when you ship UPS .:biggthumpup:


I have the package still and it was shipped USPS for a total of $4.05. Gimme a break "handling". Like I said I would expect it from Ebay but not from a company with the roots planted like Wamiltons.

reading comp. > you :wiggle::wiggle::nutkick:

[hangtime]

reading comp. > you :wiggle::wiggle::nutkick:


What do you think boxes ,tape,labels and time to package it costs .
Shipping AND handling .

Shipping costs are outrageous across the board and I've complained about it myself a few times but once you sell some stuff and have to ship it yourself you realize the time and money it takes to pull it off .

I shipped a hood from Mass to NY and it was $65 UPS packaged and shipped .I sold the hood for $165 shipped .I lost a 1/3 of my price to shipping and after Payapl $10 I made $90 on a brand new 07 SJ hood .


Oh ya go back to PWC Jeff

[Thajeffski]

You are not a company producing and shipping things all the time.

UPS gives better pricing to people who ship with them all the time. I'd imagine this Walt guy ships stuff everyday.

You got ripped first of all. 65 to ship a hood from MA to NY, HA? I shipped 35 VOIP phones last month for 50 bucks in a HUGE box that was almost 100lbs (adapters, cables, phones, central unit), from CT to TEXAS. The key is to use your own box and materials.

Also - lets be realistic here. How long does it take to put a dvd in a box and tape it up, less than 15 seconds?

The guy is in business to make money, that's for sho. However if he does stuff like this and nickel and dimes people to death he's going to get complaints.

[Wolf Child]

I like anyone that will give me free parts.

so If I say I like wammer can I have some freebies? :147:

[stuntbikemike]

bottom line......not good for the sport just trying to make a million.....no matter how much Others try to defend it..