What to do, bought ski now seller wants more $$$

[Aircraftsalz]

Okay looking for some input to see if I'm in the right or wrong here....

I bought a benelli S8 from a guy in Chicago 4 wks ago... His buddy posted it on the x asking $6500 with the link to Craigslist .. I call the owner Fred and talk with him about the ski and the problem with the motor. I was out of town that afternoon working on a plane in Nashville. I offer him $6,000 on th terms I would wire the funds the next day when I arrived back home. Seller agreed .. Later that night he sent me a text asking if I was really going to purchase the ski, I replied I can PayPal you a deposit ... He said no, just wire in the morning...

I wire the funds as agreed, I arrange shipping and get the ski.. Repairs are made and the ski is back together. The seller sends me what was suppose to be title and other paper work, oil filters, etc.. Now he send me a text and says I just checked my bank statement and I only got 6k...

I was like yes, that was what we agreed on.. I'm a little pissed about the paper work, no real title.. But never said a word to him.. A deal is a deal, sometimes it's great and sometimes you get a bad deal... Oh well

But this guy is demanding I send him $500.... I wouldn't have bought the ski for $6500, I'm that kind of person...

So am I right stand by what we agreed? Why would he ship the ski if he thought I owed him more money..

Opinions would be great, good or bad

[XJCrawler]

The guy sounds like a cheap prick trying to weasel more money out of you. He would not have shipped it if he thought you still owed him money. I would tell him to :-):-):-):-) off!

[550/440]

A deal is a deal. Does he have the title for the ski, or is the paperwork you have the only titlework?

[shawn_NJ]

If you have it documented that $6000 was agreed on..... I'd tell him too bad. Leave neg feedback factually detailing the transaction if he bothers you more.

[Aircraftsalz]

A deal is a deal. Does he have the title for the ski, or is the paperwork you have the only titlework?

As far as I know what he sent was what he had... I guess.. Was some photo copies and a email from where he bought it saying new mso... The paper work he sent me isn't going to fly to title it...

I have sent him an email stating the facts... And if he feels I was wrong he's more than welcome to buy it back. Told him I paid 6k, have $1500 in it with shipping and repairs... So $7500 and he can have it back.. I think that's more than fair on my part...

[orangefinger]

$ 250 bam done, Dosent hurt You and makes it go away.....if you can throw money at it for piece of mind always beter than the hassle who cares

[Aircraftsalz]

If you have it documented that $6000 was agreed on..... I'd tell him too bad. Leave neg feedback factually detailing the transaction if he bothers you more.

All I have is a phone conversation .. Nothing in writing... He tried to send me a txt saying $6500 .. Which I never read or didn't get... I just think who ships a ski to someone with no past transactions, etc without knowing your deal fully funded..

Thanks for all the replys

[XJCrawler]

$ 250 bam done, Dosent hurt You and makes it go away.....if you can throw money at it for piece of mind always beter than the hassle who cares
I wouldn't do it on the prinipal of the deal, the seller agreed to $6000 and doesn't deserve a dime more.

[orangefinger]

You are fighting your ego...nothing else, if $ 250 doesnt hurt who cares, settle it and move on , the Seller is a duche why waste your brain time

[jetx]

Probably found out you fixed it for cheap and now wants
More money out of it. Isn't this the same guy who just wanted to move on from the ski and
Money was not the issue.

I'd have to agree with what has been said So far...who lets a ski go without having Payment in full.

[nightrider05]

If your side of the story is true(not saying you are lying..just basing my opinion off what you have told us) then I don't see why you would owe him anything.

Anyone in their right mind would have confirmed that the money had been wired to their acct the same day it was supposed to have been wired. At that point, he would have known how much money was sent. If not you could have sent him $1500. Even if he didn't check it the same day, I bet he checked it before he sent the ski.

It sounds like maybe he was offered the full amount from other buyers and now he is trying to not feel screwed out of money. If you guys made even a verbal deal then your conscious should be free. There is no way he could force you to pay the $500 extra.

[uga86]

$ 250 bam done, Dosent hurt You and makes it go away.....if you can throw money at it for piece of mind always beter than the hassle who cares

Slip and fall FTW

[chad]

i agree, who would ship a ski without being paid in full...

[deftons56]

X10.. If he wanted more money, he should have stated it before he shipped it. If there is no agreement written down, than the only proof that you payed what was asked is the fact that he shipped the freaking ski...right?

[Snivilous]

And it's not like he can make an argument since he doesn't have any thing physically saying you owe him more money. You can't defend yourself very well since you don't have proof, but neither does he. I'd tell him to take a hike.

[raytherace]

who ship before getting paid ?? Nobody. You have the ski the deal is done.

[Jawbreaker]

An MSO is just a certificate of origin. When you go to register the ski in your state, you may have to pay tax that he MAY have not paid when he bought the ski. I work in sales at a Motorsports shop and run into this problem with ATV's and UTV's trade in's on a regular basis.... It can be a pain in the ass... However, if he lives in a state where they don't title personal watercraft, an MSO may be all that he would have.

[snowxr]

FWIW he was offered more $$ after you paid him.

[OldSkoot]

Holy cow! 6k and no title??? I'd be laughing at his demands and telling him HE owes me the 7.5K since HE renigged on sending appropriate papers and is a useless ski in most states.

[Tmart]

That guy is retarded. He shipped the ski to you when you paid him the 6K. Whats he going to do, take you to court and say he was supposed to pay me more but didn't after I shipped it to him? They'll look at the dude and say "you idiot, you packed the thing up and shipped it to him so obviously you got the money you wanted".

Like everyone else said, I'd just leave it alone b/c you're in the right.

[Aircraftsalz]

Here's his reply to my email....


Fred,



Thank you for your text message.. My point on this deal was I offered $6,000 and the terms of I would wire transfer the following day. I held my end of the deal. I even checked with another guy working in Nashville with me that I offered $6k which is what I wired. You offered the extra parts with the deal right from the start. I'm not very happy with the paper work supplied with the ski as there copies and nothing that resembles a title. Makes this a race only ski as you can not title with the current paper work you supplied. Also missing some parts that should have been with the ski when your mechanic disassembled it.



If you want the ski back we can arrange that as I'm not so happy on my end. I have $6000 in the purchase , plus $400 shipping, and $1100 so far in repairs... Total $7500 this offer stands for 24 hrs

HIS REPLY


Josh u r a rip of artist. This deal will haunt u. Good luck. U r not an honest person. U have to live with that. Ur honor is only worth 500 bucks I could not have been more clear. Even confirmed with a text. We will take this to the forum

This email at 7:10 am...
next email

Better paper work - 500....


Now my reply was to offer $250.... One time to make this nut doctor go away... It's against everything I stand for, but it's not worth fight over... Will see what he comes back with...

Here's my email since this guy wants to take it to the forum,



I'm going to make one offer.... The deal was 6k

I will make this one time off $250 that's half and I don't even owe that... This ski will be sold now, I'm over it...

Thanks for ruining my purchase....

[Waternut]

Normally I would say don't pay the D-bag a dime. However, if you can't title the ski as-is, maybe you can offer him $50-$100 more provided he gives you ALL of the necessary documentation to title the ski. Make sure you explain that you owe him nothing and he hasn't fulfilled his end of the deal.

[Aircraftsalz]

As for honor, respect and doing the right thing anyone on here that knows me will tell you I'm a standup guy... I hope this guy comes on the forum...

[Waternut]

As for honor, respect and doing the right thing anyone on here that knows me will tell you I'm a standup guy... I hope this guy comes on the forum...

I was actually coming back to edit my response to add that point. I was going to say that one guy demanding extra money after the sale is not going to ruin your reputation in the jetski community.....and if someone see's you negatively after this transaction, you probably don't want anything to do with them anyway. Based on what you've told us so far, it's hard to see that you should be at fault for anything other than dealing with that guy.

[ridetrp]

people suck man.f this guy hes honestly probably mad you fixed it so quick and dont budge on the 250 or 500 thats his fault for shipping a ski across the country for the price he "thought" was the right one. why would he send you the ski then ask for the balance ??? seems like a shadester trying to nab a few extra bills,and if he comes on here hes bringing a knife to a gun fight i think hell find out pretty quick too

[Tpain]

That sucks man! Josh you are totally in the right and whoever this douchebag is deserves a kick in the balls! I hope he does come on the forum so myself and other Wisconsinites can avoid him. I have an idea of who it mite be, some dirtbag bought my 08 sxr two years ago for 3000 and posted it the next day for 4500 and said less than 20 hrs on it.......it had over 200 on it. If you wanna know if its the same guy Josh, shoot me a text at 262-689-4063. Id love to kick his ass Lol:)

[Tmart]

Also I would get ahold of the guy that listed it for the guy you bought it from and see what he says. Maybe he can convince his buddy that he's wrong

[Tpain]

Also I would get ahold of the guy that listed it for the guy you bought it from and see what he says. Maybe he can convince his buddy that he's wrong

Good point- there may be threes sides to the story as well. But Josh shouldn't pay a dime more! He is more than in the right on his part.

[outofcontrol]

Dec 20th i get a text from fred with this attached
Frederick tiesenga
Fifth third bank
Routing 0420xxxxx
Account 723xxxxxx
6500. S8 PRO
7089453733. Congrats
This was sent on dec 20 around 4:00
I texted back and said you have the wrong guy for 6500
As stated before you had a arrangement of 6k and he shipped the ski so you did your apart but as far as title he never did his and he told me he paid the taxes on the ski and had paperwork for it. Good luck

[zimmy]

I wouldn't even worry about it. What is he going to do?
Your story seems clear, he shipped the ski to you, game over. Its one of those deals where you should check that the money is all there before you hand over the merchandise otherwise all bets are off.

[Aircraftsalz]

I made the offer of $250 just to put it to bed... He hasn't replied...

I'm going to PM the guy that posted this ski for sale..

[Big Kahuna]

Is the State that it came from a Title State? Alabama is not. So, If I sell you a ski, there is no Title, Florida would issue you a title based off the bill of sale. You would have to pay taxes on it..

[Idok]

F that keep your 250 bucks


its been stated over and over WHY would someone ship a ski that wasnt "paid in full??


if one is willing to let a friend list and negotiate a sale, one must live with the outcome


put it on ebay, sell it for 10K plus...link him to the auction and laugh


you have way more than 500 in personal time and tracking down the parts from overseas

[Aircraftsalz]

Thanks Idok... Tools like him just piss me off

Once I get the new Starter from Benelli the ski will be sold, I'm over it...

Here's what I sent his buddy that listed the ski on the X

Hey deal on the BEnelli isn't going like we agreed..

I offered your Buddy 6K for the Benelli, he agreed and I wired 6K the next day. I have the ski picked up, after 2 weeks he ships me some oil filters & what was suppose to be a title... Which isn't but thats not your problem.

Now he's sending me text and calling demanding I send him $500 more... The deal was 6K... Now he thinks I scammed him... This is total BS... Why would he ship the ski if it wasnt paid in Full?

I know he's not on the X, but you are.. Whats the deal here? I'm not some newbie just into Jet skis.. I sent Fred an email offer $250 , that I DONT OWE HIM JUST TO BE NICE AND NOT FIGHT OVER A SKI..

He said hes taking this to the forum... No need I already started a Thread.. Feel free to post or Have fred post

[Idok]

AND he shipped you extra parts after the fact


come on man....total BS


what state did it come from??

[WaveDemon]

since you offered to meet in the middle AFTER THE FACT, you proved you're not trying to rip anyone off. I predict you'll never hear from him again. It sucks you don't have the real paper work, he's a dick.

[snowxr]

It sucks that he's trying to hold the correct paperwork ransom. deuche bag move. I'm pretty relieved that I didn't buy it. Without a proper set of papers, you're looking at paying sales tax on a $15,000+ ski.

If he kept the original papers, what's keeping him from claiming it's stolen?

Plain and simple case of seller's remorse.

[outofcontrol]

Who says he is not going to take your 250 and still not help you out with paperwork.don't bother

[thundercat]

I was the first guy to call him on it. he is not a man of his word.......

[Aircraftsalz]

Thanks Guys for all the post.... Sometimes you need opinions just to make sure your not being the Dick or just seeing it one sided... Maybe he will join the X and tell his side ...

Idok he's from IL near Lake Port I think

[snowxr]

Thanks Guys
Maybe he will join the X and tell his side ...



Maybe WaveDemon will set him on fire!

[raytherace]

Who says he is not going to take your 250 and still not help you out with paperwork.don't bother

X2 an a!!hole stay an a!!hole

[Freakrider]

He must not have the legit paperwork so he masterminded a plan to throw this b.s into it to create a diversion...he's a con artist imo...

[Maulin Marto]

Wow...You guys got it all wrong. I have been friends with the former owner of the S8 for over 20 years. Yes, he is a doctor, actually a gifted surgeon. A very highly respected and honorable person. The only reason he is upset is because the deal was for $6500, not 6k. He could care two cents about the $500. He probably makes more in one day than most of us make in 6 months so I don't think its about the money. That being said, you would never know he is a very wealthy person if you were in a public setting with him, he never throws that in anyone's face, ever. Its the principle of the matter, simple as that. He only noticed the money issue when he checked his bank statement so he went on the word of the OP that he even paid for the ski. The number was always $6500, end of story. Why don't you ask Eric Lagopoulos if you think The "Doc" is a DB? They are close friends, and I'm sure would back my opinion of his credibility in this matter. Isn't it kind of funny that the OP posted a thread as a preemptive strike? Its like he called himself out and then made his case at the same time...what a joke. You poked him for $500, got an extra $500 in parts for free, and now your ragging about the paperwork. That sounds like Karma to me but you know what, in the end you won't pay him, and The "doc" will still make sure the paperwork gets taken care of because that is the kind of guy he is so stop bashing the guy like he did something wrong. He has the texts to back up the deal details....your full of crap dude. All you did was just create your own negative feedback.

[Aircraftsalz]

Wow...You guys got it all wrong. I have been friends with the former owner of the S8 for over 20 years. Yes, he is a doctor, actually a gifted surgeon. A very highly respected and honorable person. The only reason he is upset is because the deal was for $6500, not 6k. He could care two cents about the $500. He probably makes more in one day than most of us make in 6 months so I don't think its about the money. That being said, you would never know he is a very wealthy person if you were in a public setting with him, he never throws that in anyone's face, ever. Its the principle of the matter, simple as that. He only noticed the money issue when he checked his bank statement so he went on the word of the OP that he even paid for the ski. The number was always $6500, end of story. Why don't you ask Eric Lagopoulos if you think The "Doc" is a DB? They are close friends, and I'm sure would back my opinion of his credibility in this matter. Isn't it kind of funny that the OP posted a thread as a preemptive strike? Its like he called himself out and then made his case at the same time...what a joke. You poked him for $500, got an extra $500 in parts for free, and now your ragging about the paperwork. That sounds like Karma to me but you know what, in the end you won't pay him, and The "doc" will still make sure the paperwork gets taken care of because that is the kind of guy he is so stop bashing the guy like he did something wrong. He has the texts to back up the deal details....your full of crap dude. All you did was just create your own negative feedback.


What a great reply... Lets See I made the offer of 6K , Sent 6K, Ski Shipped... He offered the parts with the ski before I made the offer of 6K so I didnt get any free STUFF... The $500 means nothing to me, its the point that the deal was 6K... I dont care who you are, if your selling a ski your going to make sure the funds are there before it ships... Right ot Wrong? Second 2 weeks later you send some copies of paper work, 2 oil filters... Then 1 week later start saying the deal was $500 more, after I told him the ski was running this crap started...

To me it feels like BS

These guys posting on the X know me or respect me. I buy, sell, & build a lot of skis... I'm not new to this sport , I posted this thread to bring it out to the open. I'm not going to Hide....

The guys that have posted Thank you...

[Freakrider]

The asking price was 6,500, who pays the asking price ? 6,000 would be a normal deal price on a 6,500 asking price imo.

[JamesG]

What a great reply... Lets See I made the offer of 6K , Sent 6K, Ski Shipped... He offered the parts with the ski before I made the offer of 6K so I didnt get any free STUFF... The $500 means nothing to me, its the point that the deal was 6K... I dont care who you are, if your selling a ski your going to make sure the funds are there before it ships... Right ot Wrong? Second 2 weeks later you send some copies of paper work, 2 oil filters... Then 1 week later start saying the deal was $500 more, after I told him the ski was running this crap started...

To me it feels like BS

These guys posting on the X know me or respect me. I buy, sell, & build a lot of skis... I'm not new to this sport , I posted this thread to bring it out to the open. I'm not going to Hide....

The guys that have posted

He shipped it after 6k was sent. Plus, Aircraftsalz has a good reputation here and we don't know this other dude.. Case closed.
Move along now, there's nothing to see here..

[Maulin Marto]

What a great reply... Lets See I made the offer of 6K , Sent 6K, Ski Shipped... He offered the parts with the ski before I made the offer of 6K so I didnt get any free STUFF... The $500 means nothing to me, its the point that the deal was 6K... I dont care who you are, if your selling a ski your going to make sure the funds are there before it ships... Right ot Wrong? Second 2 weeks later you send some copies of paper work, 2 oil filters... Then 1 week later start saying the deal was $500 more, after I told him the ski was running this crap started...

To me it feels like BS

These guys posting on the X know me or respect me. I buy, sell, & build a lot of skis... I'm not new to this sport , I posted this thread to bring it out to the open. I'm not going to Hide....

The guys that have posted

Whatever dude. Looks like your guilty conscience is pecking away at your brain. You know your wrong.

[Maulin Marto]

He shipped it after 6k was sent. Plus, Aircraftsalz has a good reputation here and we don't know this other dude.. Case closed.
Move along now, there's nothing to see here..
Reputation as a douchebag? Yes, he does now....

[SuperJETT]

Moved to neg. feedback. The deal is with someone not on the forum, so one side has been presented and unless the other person signs up, then the deal needs to be handled privately.

Unless you are directly involved with this transaction, any further posts will not be approved.